New SM7's

[PaulCGaffney]

please let the raw option be an option!

[scott_Donald]

please let the raw option be an option!

 

I hope so since I spent a lot of money on four a couple hours ago...

[jll62]

If the release timeline stays the same, they should be released in March of 2018. Rumor is there is a raw option coming to retail.

 

Well it took a little while...but it did happen. If only they were a standard option and not still an up-charge through Wedge Works

 

I'm a little concerned by their claim of a new heat treating process to make the raw wedges as durable as chrome plated wedges. Why would I want this? One of the reasons we all like raw wedges is because they feel better than chrome plated wedges. If they're making the metal harder, I'm worried about losing that. I don't expect durability from raw wedges.

 

EDIT: Response to me from Vokey Wedges on Twitter:

 

Voke shares your concern. Feel is a critical component & Voke challenged his team - we can do this as long as we don't sacrifice our feel. We blind tested this heat treatment on tour, and players were unable to tell the difference. Voke personally conducted several of the tests

[norcalgolf]

If the release timeline stays the same, they should be released in March of 2018. Rumor is there is a raw option coming to retail.

 

Well it took a little while...but it did happen. If only they were a standard option and not still an up-charge through Wedge Works

 

I'm a little concerned by their claim of a new heat treating process to make the raw wedges as durable as chrome plated wedges. Why would I want this? One of the reasons we all like raw wedges is because they feel better than chrome plated wedges. If they're making the metal harder, I'm worried about losing that. I don't expect durability from raw wedges.

I don’t like the sound of the heat treat either! No way the tour heads are getting this treatment...hope I’m wrong. Maybe somebody in the know can confirm...

[jll62]

If the release timeline stays the same, they should be released in March of 2018. Rumor is there is a raw option coming to retail.

 

Well it took a little while...but it did happen. If only they were a standard option and not still an up-charge through Wedge Works

 

I'm a little concerned by their claim of a new heat treating process to make the raw wedges as durable as chrome plated wedges. Why would I want this? One of the reasons we all like raw wedges is because they feel better than chrome plated wedges. If they're making the metal harder, I'm worried about losing that. I don't expect durability from raw wedges.

I don’t like the sound of the heat treat either! No way the tour heads are getting this treatment...hope I’m wrong. Maybe somebody in the know can confirm...

 

I edited my post that you quoted to include their response to me on Twitter. They did blind testing with Tour players, but leaves open the question of what's going to be on Tour. I also have doubts they'd these heat treated heads would end up on Tour.

[norcalgolf]

If the release timeline stays the same, they should be released in March of 2018. Rumor is there is a raw option coming to retail.

 

Well it took a little while...but it did happen. If only they were a standard option and not still an up-charge through Wedge Works

 

I'm a little concerned by their claim of a new heat treating process to make the raw wedges as durable as chrome plated wedges. Why would I want this? One of the reasons we all like raw wedges is because they feel better than chrome plated wedges. If they're making the metal harder, I'm worried about losing that. I don't expect durability from raw wedges.

I don’t like the sound of the heat treat either! No way the tour heads are getting this treatment...hope I’m wrong. Maybe somebody in the know can confirm...

 

I edited my post that you quoted to include their response to me on Twitter. They did blind testing with Tour players, but leaves open the question of what's going to be on Tour. I also have doubts they'd these heat treated heads would end up on Tour.

I call BS on vokeys marketing team response. Metal is metal; if you heat treat it to the point of making it more durable, the feel will change

[dwboston]

It's funny, and predictable, that an element of the vocal minority of folks demanding raw wedges will always find some way to complain when they are given what they asked for. Wedgeworks only, price is too high, heat treating for durability is unacceptable, etc. Just be honest, what they really want is exactly what the Tour players play (of course not all the Tour players play raw wedges), but at retail (or less to be honest) prices, which isn't realistic.

 

If Titleist thought they could sell a high volume of raw wedges, then they would be available in the retail line and not a Wedgeworks exclusive.

[moegolfer11]

I'll just get jet black or whatever it's called and if I want to strip em I will, I'll save myself the money

[BirdieBirdieX]

It's funny, and predictable, that an element of the vocal minority of folks demanding raw wedges will always find some way to complain when they are given what they asked for. Wedgeworks only, price is too high, heat treating for durability is unacceptable, etc. Just be honest, what they really want is exactly what the Tour players play (of course not all the Tour players play raw wedges), but at retail (or less to be honest) prices, which isn't realistic.

 

If Titleist thought they could sell a high volume of raw wedges, then they would be available in the retail line and not a Wedgeworks exclusive.

 

This.

 

Does anyone really think that Titleist execs give a crap about the average player and what they really want? The answer is simply no.

 

They're going to mass produce what the masses will buy, which is pretty much anything since the Titleist name sells itself. If Titleist wanted to design a 70* wedge and got ONE staffer to hit it on a TOUR range with one picture on IG....it'll sell.

 

They produce the Raw finish to keep people intrigued, keep the Wedgeworks name relevant and make people think they're playing TOUR goods...

[raywutang]

so from this GD article here: https://www.golfdigest.com/story/titleist-sm7-raw-wedges-feature-new-heat-treatment-technology-that-might-get-in-your-hands-before-some-tour-players

 

seems like the current raw SM7s on tour do NOT have the heat treatment since that process was just recently finalized...

[benclab]

$195 for raw? Yikes. Why do we have to pay more for them to do less work?

[SJP1]

I'll just get jet black or whatever it's called and if I want to strip em I will, I'll save myself the money

 

+1

 

Treated myself to a raw SM5 58 K when they were released. Great club and patina’d really well. Love it. At the same time I stripped an SM5 50 and a TVD K 54.

 

Don’t think I’d go raw again. I’d just strip black. It goes deeper grey than rusty but looks really nice and wears superbly well (and, feels the same).

[Konklifer]

It's funny, and predictable, that an element of the vocal minority of folks demanding raw wedges will always find some way to complain when they are given what they asked for. Wedgeworks only, price is too high, heat treating for durability is unacceptable, etc. Just be honest, what they really want is exactly what the Tour players play (of course not all the Tour players play raw wedges), but at retail (or less to be honest) prices, which isn't realistic.

 

If Titleist thought they could sell a high volume of raw wedges, then they would be available in the retail line and not a Wedgeworks exclusive.

 

This.

 

Does anyone really think that Titleist execs give a crap about the average player and what they really want? The answer is simply no.

 

They're going to mass produce what the masses will buy, which is pretty much anything since the Titleist name sells itself. If Titleist wanted to design a 70* wedge and got ONE staffer to hit it on a TOUR range with one picture on IG....it'll sell.

 

They produce the Raw finish to keep people intrigued, keep the Wedgeworks name relevant and make people think they're playing TOUR goods...

 

The problem is, some people think the Golfwrx majority opinion represents the average player. It does not. What we talk about and what some of the members here want, and complain about if they don't get it, represents a minuscule portion of the golfing public.

[asumnerdawg]

Some people will b**** if you hang them with new rope.

[tnord]

i'm not all worked up about the whole raw thing, but what DOES kinda hack me off is that our pros were told that they couldn't keep it at a D5 swingweight because i ordered them longer.

 

well that's fuggin BS. if they're going to say that stock SW is a D5, then they have to have the heads sorted by weight, so that people ordering shafts lighter than the S400 can still measure out correctly. all they have to do is take heads that are meant for the lighter shafts, slap it on my S400, and get it back to a D5 like they're supposed to be.

 

what happened to proper fitting?

[jrshelby]

i'm not all worked up about the whole raw thing, but what DOES kinda hack me off is that our pros were told that they couldn't keep it at a D5 swingweight because i ordered them longer.

 

well that's fuggin BS. if they're going to say that stock SW is a D5, then they have to have the heads sorted by weight, so that people ordering shafts lighter than the S400 can still measure out correctly. all they have to do is take heads that are meant for the lighter shafts, slap it on my S400, and get it back to a D5 like they're supposed to be.

 

what happened to proper fitting?

A 1/2" Longer would equal +3 SW points. Taking a heavier head, usually 2 grams or so heavier mated to light shafts ( brings the sw up to offset the lighter shaft ) would only take your sw from stock D5 to the D6.5 if ordering + 1/4 or to D8 if + 1/2". The heavier 2 gram head that mates in the lighter shaft should yield a D9 SW then. Sounds like you need to weight port.

[Jack.Broadway]

Which of the Finishes out of Brushed Steel and Tour Chrome looks closest to the Raw finish?

Love the look of the Raw finish but cant deal with the rust!

IMO the Tour Chrome look like a brand new raw Vokey, slightly different because the raw shows more of the grain. Really good look with a duller/matte chrome finish. The brushed steel has a darker chrome finish, slightly mirrored, has what appears to be a sand blasted face for contrast, but shows bag chatter something awful. The Raw Black finish can be removed with distilled white vinegar and a scotch brite pad, leaving a darker raw finish that really doesn't rust. You can search the WRX forums for "how to remove" finish on Vokeys.

 

Thanks for the help. i have bitten the bullet and ordered 50,54 and 58 in tour chrome! i like the look of brushed steel but i have seen pictures of the marks on them from bag chatter already! i like the sound of a raw finish that doesn't rust may have to try that and order a spare wedge in the black finish and remove it! gives me an excuse to order a D Grind!

[brian.g.park]

Where are people doing most of their buying? Looks like TGW.com has the best option for custom building? Or am I missing something on the Titelist site? Not looking for RAW version.

[518TitleistX]

Placed my order through Discount Dan's Monday. Tour Chrome 48*F 1* weak with TI X100, as well as 54*S straight in, and 60*S 1* strong with TI S400 all 2* up and 1/4" long with red MCC+4 +2 wraps and a 3rd wrap under bottom hand.

[timbo08]

i'm not all worked up about the whole raw thing, but what DOES kinda hack me off is that our pros were told that they couldn't keep it at a D5 swingweight because i ordered them longer.

 

well that's fuggin BS. if they're going to say that stock SW is a D5, then they have to have the heads sorted by weight, so that people ordering shafts lighter than the S400 can still measure out correctly. all they have to do is take heads that are meant for the lighter shafts, slap it on my S400, and get it back to a D5 like they're supposed to be.

 

what happened to proper fitting?

 

Maybe they are just trying to get you to pay the up-charge for weight adjustments on WedgeWorks which wouldn't surprise me.

[Golfguy9090]

I currently have the SM6's in 50.08F, 56.10S (knocked down to 55 degrees), and 60.08M with Project X 6.5 Shafts (lengthened 1/4"). I am okay with the 6.5's in the 50 and 55, but want a softer shaft in the new SM7 60 I buy. Do you guys recommend just putting a PX 6.0 in the 60? Not sure what that will do with the swing weight with a lighter shaft that is lengthened 1/4". Any recommendations?

[MMB1500]

$195 for raw? Yikes. Why do we have to pay more for them to do less work?

 

Because there's a sucker born every minute.

[uflorida1]

Anybody try these out yet with the project x lz shaft? That’s what I have in my irons but always curious if anyone has feedback positive or negative...

[EKELLY]

Vokey has succeeded AGAIN, they are better than the 6's.....

[cvvorst]

Anybody try these out yet with the project x lz shaft? That's what I have in my irons but always curious if anyone has feedback positive or negative...

 

I have a set of SM6 with Project X LZ 6.5 in them. (same shafts in my irons) I like them a lot. I didn't think the shaft would make a big difference, but I tried a different set of SM6 with Nippon 125 Wedge and I couldn't get comfortable with them in my practice round. I'm guessing I could get used to them, but I switched back to my set with LZ and it was back to normal.

 

But, please keep in mind I have used X flex shafts in my wedges for a while. I know it's not necessary, and that most golfers (including high swing speed pros) use stiff for feel, but it's what I'm used to.

[pearls24]

I just ordered the Raws in 50.08 F, 54.10 S, and 58.12 D with DG Tour Black Onyx S400's. Been using forged wedges for over 8 years now (miura, callaway md2 tour, etc.) so hopefully I'll adjust to the difference in feel quickly. Excited to get these.

[trying2scratch]

Can anyone show a picture of the sm6 beside the sm7 in the address position? In chrome finish if possible, if not any finish.

 

Tried searching through this thread but may have missed it.

 

Cheers!

[tnord]

i'm not all worked up about the whole raw thing, but what DOES kinda hack me off is that our pros were told that they couldn't keep it at a D5 swingweight because i ordered them longer.

 

well that's fuggin BS. if they're going to say that stock SW is a D5, then they have to have the heads sorted by weight, so that people ordering shafts lighter than the S400 can still measure out correctly. all they have to do is take heads that are meant for the lighter shafts, slap it on my S400, and get it back to a D5 like they're supposed to be.

 

what happened to proper fitting?

A 1/2" Longer would equal +3 SW points. Taking a heavier head, usually 2 grams or so heavier mated to light shafts ( brings the sw up to offset the lighter shaft ) would only take your sw from stock D5 to the D6.5 if ordering + 1/4 or to D8 if + 1/2". The heavier 2 gram head that mates in the lighter shaft should yield a D9 SW then. Sounds like you need to weight port.

 

i'm saying that to keep it at a D5 with say a steelfiber 103 or whatever shaft, they have to have a lighter head to pair up with it. instead of using that light head with a graphite, regular, or senior flex, put it on my lengthened S400.

[twjames]

Nasty looking wedges.

[cvvorst]

I just ordered the Raws in 50.08 F, 54.10 S, and 58.12 D with DG Tour Black Onyx S400's. Been using forged wedges for over 8 years now (miura, callaway md2 tour, etc.) so hopefully I'll adjust to the difference in feel quickly. Excited to get these.

 

I will likely get this exact setup, unless I get the 58 08 M instead of the D. I think the wedge fitter recommended the D grind instead of the M, but I've always used a lower bounce Lob wedge. I'm a little worried it might take a little bit to adjust. But, if the D grind is everything it's supposed to be, it won't be an issue.