Who on tour has a Malaska type swing??

[white03]

I've been working on the Malaska swing principles for about 3 months now.

 

I was wondering who on the Tour has a swing like Mike advocates?

 

Thank you

[dukeman]

In one of his videos he cites Sergio as a great example.

[Petunia Sprinkle]

Anyone who gets the club laid off at the top, who begins the downswing by standing the club up more (Matthew Fitzpatrick, for example), is doing ‘the move’ Malaska has identified. I think what Billy Harmon once called the ‘in and over’ swing can lead to a move that’s similar to the one Malaska discusses (Ray Floyd and Crusty Kerr come to mind).

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[ScratchyDawg]

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I can't stop looking at this

[terrell75]

Peak Tiger

 

 

 

 

 

Bazinga!!!!

[Petunia Sprinkle]

Peak Tiger

 

 

 

Yup, there it is. That’s from the Haney era, yes?

[PowderedToastMan]

Peak Tiger

 

 

 

Yup, there it is. That’s from the Haney era, yes?

No, pretty sure 2000. Butch was on the show with Tiger. Hank was in the background writing notes for any future publications.

[Petunia Sprinkle]

Peak Tiger

 

 

 

Yup, there it is. That’s from the Haney era, yes?

No, pretty sure 2000. Butch was on the show with Tiger. Hank was in the background writing notes for any future publications.

 

Yup. Here’s the video...

 

http://youtu.be/xOecUNBV_Q0

[oukeith]

Interesting that he says he gave up 10+ yards on a typical drive to add accuracy and consistency.

[Dave D]

Probably a very good feel to fight the downswing issues tiger had, if you don't have very fast hips or a lot of rotation I'd imagine this move would do more harm than good?

[dolfinack]

Probably a very good feel to fight the downswing issues tiger had, if you don't have very fast hips or a lot of rotation I'd imagine this move would do more harm than good?

 

Yup. I find when people talk about getting the club out in front of their chest being beneficial, it's always those who have a good fast hip turn in their downswing, inside to out, and tend to get "stuck inside". This move discussed here and shown in the Tiger video is of little to no use to your average player who casts from outside to in with slow hip turn.

[Hilts1969]

Probably a very good feel to fight the downswing issues tiger had, if you don't have very fast hips or a lot of rotation I'd imagine this move would do more harm than good?

 

Yup. I find when people talk about getting the club out in front of their chest being beneficial, it's always those who have a good fast hip turn in their downswing, inside to out, and tend to get "stuck inside". This move discussed here and shown in the Tiger video is of little to no use to your average player who casts from outside to in with slow hip turn.

 

Disagree it could be good for a caster with an out to in swing path

[Man_O_War]

Probably a very good feel to fight the downswing issues tiger had, if you don't have very fast hips or a lot of rotation I'd imagine this move would do more harm than good?

 

 

righto... and i believe during this show that he said... he wants to "Feel" that the club is doing that

 

Web Simpson. Ken Duke

[Petunia Sprinkle]

Probably a very good feel to fight the downswing issues tiger had, if you don't have very fast hips or a lot of rotation I'd imagine this move would do more harm than good?

 

Yup. I find when people talk about getting the club out in front of their chest being beneficial, it's always those who have a good fast hip turn in their downswing, inside to out, and tend to get "stuck inside". This move discussed here and shown in the Tiger video is of little to no use to your average player who casts from outside to in with slow hip turn.

 

At about the 2:30 mark, Malaska discusses the differences in detail...

 

http://youtu.be/MMCO7CeVNA0

 

I could argue that someone who comes over the top and/or casts is probably closer in concept and action to Malaska’s move than someone who gets the club stuck behind them. If I’m correct in that notion, then Malaska’s ‘move’ would be just an adjustment that ‘cures’ what they were trying to do rather than being a complete paradigm shift, as it would be for the golfer who gets stuck.

[ayan]

Probably a very good feel to fight the downswing issues tiger had, if you don't have very fast hips or a lot of rotation I'd imagine this move would do more harm than good?

 

Yup. I find when people talk about getting the club out in front of their chest being beneficial, it's always those who have a good fast hip turn in their downswing, inside to out, and tend to get "stuck inside". This move discussed here and shown in the Tiger video is of little to no use to your average player who casts from outside to in with slow hip turn.

 

I could argue that someone who comes over the top and/or casts is probably closer in concept and action to Malaska's move than someone who gets the club stuck behind them. If I'm correct in that notion, then Malaska's 'move' would be just an adjustment that 'cures' what they were trying to do rather than being a complete paradigm shift, as it would be for the golfer who gets stuck.

 

I definitely agree with that. I think that key to the notion of "casting" and "early extending" is the hands being high and farther from the body before impact, with the clubhead low and the shaft aligning with the arms. The body stalls and and if needed we make room for the club by standing up. Malaska talks about that in some of his videos and points out that those people have moved what he calls the "2nd pivot point" way out towards the target line. If that 2nd pivot point is low and brought close enough to the body, the shaft will come from the inside even if the clubhead tumbles over the hands, and the sweetspot kicks out towards the ball if we just keep turning. If we don't turn, the clubhead will hit way behind the ball and no amount of standing up will save the shot. I think that actually makes things easier, because there aren't a lot of choices and one can more instinctively turn through the shot to get to the ball.

 

The Tiger animated GIF is a pretty good depiction of that, only that he stops right before the turn. Any Sergio Garcia DTL video in slo motion will show a very similar thing with hands super low at P6, arms almost touching the right tight before he "comes over the top" and throws his right shoulder at the ball from there.

 

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[TB07]

If the club is steep and kicks out early the body won't keep turning. It's instinctive. If the body kept turning you would either miss the ball OR hit massive pulls and pull slices.

[juststeve]

If the club is steep and kicks out early the body won't keep turning. It's instinctive. If the body kept turning you would either miss the ball OR hit massive pulls and pull slices.

 

That is not a problem for people whose turns are a reaction to the motion of the club, just for those whose turns are separate things.

 

Steve

[Hilts1969]

If the club is steep and kicks out early the body won't keep turning. It's instinctive. If the body kept turning you would either miss the ball OR hit massive pulls and pull slices.

 

The body stops turning when either it has reached its full range of motion or the arms need to catch up so it stalls. You can steepen the club and get the club head level with your hands and still turn fully.

[Boomer3]

Is the move Tiger is shown rehearsing a bit of an exaggeration for feel? It sounds like that's what he is saying in the interview. That move looks like he is casting and dumping the angle a bit early, but I know Tiger didn't do that in his swing.

[Hilts1969]

None, him and his followers are awful

 

Anything you need to share?

 

Is the move Tiger is shown rehearsing a bit of an exaggeration for feel? It sounds like that's what he is saying in the interview. That move looks like he is casting and dumping the angle a bit early, but I know Tiger didn't do that in his swing.

 

Exaggeration

[TB07]

If the club is steep and kicks out early the body won't keep turning. It's instinctive. If the body kept turning you would either miss the ball OR hit massive pulls and pull slices.

 

The body stops turning when either it has reached its full range of motion or the arms need to catch up so it stalls. You can steepen the club and get the club head level with your hands and still turn fully.

 

Yes so long as you keep the body closed for a long period of time, and then you will be less open at impact.

[Hilts1969]

If the club is steep and kicks out early the body won't keep turning. It's instinctive. If the body kept turning you would either miss the ball OR hit massive pulls and pull slices.

 

The body stops turning when either it has reached its full range of motion or the arms need to catch up so it stalls. You can steepen the club and get the club head level with your hands and still turn fully.

 

Yes so long as you keep the body closed for a long period of time, and then you will be less open at impact.

 

Absolutely and I think that's what the malaska move and what tiger was doing. A way to stop the right hip and right shoulder going to soon/quickly.Neither did it to that extreme because not moving chest and hips is pretty hard. It's possible to hit balls well with the malaska move done exactly as shown but at full speed it would take some doing.

 

 

 

 

[Billy Baroo]

That Tiger demonstration looks like Malaska to a tee even if he didn't exactly swing that way.

 

The players where I can see the Malaska move are the ones who are a bit laid off at the top and drop the arms more downward rather than outward starting down. Sergio, Matt Fitzpatrick, Rickie, Brooks, and Kuch are some examples.

[Cwebb]

Trevor Immelman had one of the most laid off positions at the top I've seen on tour. Not sure if his downswing would fit the model you're looking for. At any rate he had/has an awesome swing

[gvogel]

Kristie Kerr - no, she has a two plane release and stands up through the ball.

 

So-Yeon Ryu - yes. Hands close to body, and they go left after impact. She is very consistently a straight driver.

[dukeman]

Justin rose can be seen rehearsing the malaska feel in his pre shot routine

[TB07]

Sergio? No way. He's polar opposite in transition than the Malaska move.

[Hilts1969]

Sergio? No way. He's polar opposite in transition than the Malaska move.

 

Sergio has been mentioned a few times and it perplexes me as to why