Who on tour has a Malaska type swing??

[oz dee cee]

Happy to be corrected as this is just a hunch, but the Sergio reference may relate to how laid off he gets at the top, then re-routes it back to plane. Malaska suggests the FEEL is that if you lay it off at the top it’s easier to feel it come back to on plane. Probably because it’s so drastic. I know I can feel it easily. Anyway, love the old footage of Tiger. Someone send that too him on Twitter !!!

[TB07]

He's nearly horizontal in transition. Malaska move is opposite. Handle is low and clubhead out near impact which is the only similarity.

[dukeman]

I’m a tech Luddite so I Don’t know how to embed the video, but the Be Better Golf channel on YouTube has a video interview with Mike Malaska and it is totally dedicated to why Sergio is a textbook example of the Malaska move.

 

Sergio starts off flat and laid off, but he doesn’t stay that way. Mike explains it.

[juststeve]

I'm a tech Luddite so I Don't know how to embed the video, but the Be Better Golf channel on YouTube has a video interview with Mike Malaska and it is totally dedicated to why Sergio is a textbook example of the Malaska move.

 

Sergio starts off flat and laid off, but he doesn't stay that way. Mike explains it.

 

But can we really trust Malaska on this after TB07 has told us he's wrong about what he teaches?

 

Steve

[Hilts1969]

I'm a tech Luddite so I Don't know how to embed the video, but the Be Better Golf channel on YouTube has a video interview with Mike Malaska and it is totally dedicated to why Sergio is a textbook example of the Malaska move.

 

Sergio starts off flat and laid off, but he doesn't stay that way. Mike explains it.

 

But can we really trust Malaska on this after TB07 has told us he's wrong about what he teaches?

 

Steve

 

What malaska says is that Sergio comes ott from the inside however malaskas move is to move the handle in and clubhead out from the top. He also says a laid off club at the top may help but he doesn't say flatten the club in transition more.

[juststeve]

Hilts1969

 

You an I don't disagree. I was just commenting on the irony of someone else, some guy with an internet connection, suggesting that Malaska doesn't understand the swing he teaches. Your understanding of what Malaska teaches is the same as mine.

 

Steve

[terrell75]

Happy to be corrected as this is just a hunch, but the Sergio reference may relate to how laid off he gets at the top, then re-routes it back to plane. Malaska suggests the FEEL is that if you lay it off at the top its easier to feel it come back to on plane. Probably because its so drastic. I know I can feel it easily. Anyway, love the old footage of Tiger. Someone send that too him on Twitter !!!

 

I suspect Tiger might watch this like his favorite adult flick - when no one is around!

[TB07]

Hilts1969

 

You an I don't disagree. I was just commenting on the irony of someone else, some guy with an internet connection, suggesting that Malaska doesn't understand the swing he teaches. Your understanding of what Malaska teaches is the same as mine.

 

Steve

 

Please find a post where I say he doesn't know what he's teaching. I'm just stating it's clear as day the move he suggests isn't what Sergio does. Please show me them in transition and the similarities if that's what you believe.

[bigseanc12]

Hilts1969

 

You an I don't disagree. I was just commenting on the irony of someone else, some guy with an internet connection, suggesting that Malaska doesn't understand the swing he teaches. Your understanding of what Malaska teaches is the same as mine.

 

Steve

 

Please find a post where I say he doesn't know what he's teaching. I'm just stating it's clear as day the move he suggests isn't what Sergio does. Please show me them in transition and the similarities if that's what you believe.

 

He has said this is a feel. Nobody actually swings how Malaska shows in his drills. He understands this and talks about it in most of his content.

 

Feeling laid off like Sergio is how he wants people to feel in order to get them in the right position to feel the tipping of the shaft in transition.

[TB07]

Hilts1969

 

You an I don't disagree. I was just commenting on the irony of someone else, some guy with an internet connection, suggesting that Malaska doesn't understand the swing he teaches. Your understanding of what Malaska teaches is the same as mine.

 

Steve

 

Please find a post where I say he doesn't know what he's teaching. I'm just stating it's clear as day the move he suggests isn't what Sergio does. Please show me them in transition and the similarities if that's what you believe.

 

He has said this is a feel. Nobody actually swings how Malaska shows in his drills. He understands this and talks about it in most of his content.

 

Feeling laid off like Sergio is how he wants people to feel in order to get them in the right position to feel the tipping of the shaft in transition.

 

But Sergio's shaft doesn't tip in transition. It lays off MORE

[Fireballer]

Hilts1969

 

You an I don't disagree. I was just commenting on the irony of someone else, some guy with an internet connection, suggesting that Malaska doesn't understand the swing he teaches. Your understanding of what Malaska teaches is the same as mine.

 

Steve

 

Please find a post where I say he doesn't know what he's teaching. I'm just stating it's clear as day the move he suggests isn't what Sergio does. Please show me them in transition and the similarities if that's what you believe.

 

He has said this is a feel. Nobody actually swings how Malaska shows in his drills. He understands this and talks about it in most of his content.

 

Feeling laid off like Sergio is how he wants people to feel in order to get them in the right position to feel the tipping of the shaft in transition.

 

But Sergio's shaft doesn't tip in transition. It lays off MORE

 

In the Malaska vid, he ackowledges that Sergios shaft has a very quick lay off move and then hands come down and close to body.

 

I dont think any good player actually tumbles the club over like Malaskas drill. So I really dont think theres a "Malaska swing" per se. Its a feel to get you not to yank the handle. Thats all,its a feel. He advocates that the pulling of your hands down and in, balances out with the speed of your pivot to get you properly on plane.

[Hilts1969]

Hilts1969

 

You an I don't disagree. I was just commenting on the irony of someone else, some guy with an internet connection, suggesting that Malaska doesn't understand the swing he teaches. Your understanding of what Malaska teaches is the same as mine.

 

Steve

 

Please find a post where I say he doesn't know what he's teaching. I'm just stating it's clear as day the move he suggests isn't what Sergio does. Please show me them in transition and the similarities if that's what you believe.

 

He has said this is a feel. Nobody actually swings how Malaska shows in his drills. He understands this and talks about it in most of his content.

 

Feeling laid off like Sergio is how he wants people to feel in order to get them in the right position to feel the tipping of the shaft in transition.

 

But Sergio's shaft doesn't tip in transition. It lays off MORE

 

In the Malaska vid, he ackowledges that Sergios shaft has a very quick lay off move and then hands come down and close to body.

 

I dont think any good player actually tumbles the club over like Malaskas drill. So I really dont think theres a "Malaska swing" per se. Its a feel to get you not to yank the handle. Thats all,its a feel. He advocates that the pulling of your hands down and in, balances out with the speed of your pivot to get you properly on plane.

 

We are kind of going round in circles here really so here is my take as clarity

 

Malaska believes the weight of the clubhead makes it want to shallow and trying to shallow as a feel/action golfers get the club under plane and stuck. To. Counter this he wants us from the top(yet again a feel) to do the malaska move, he also states he thinks it's easier to feel from a laid off position at the top. But the really important thing from this debate is that he has never said lay it off more in transition or keep it laid off.

 

The transition move involves butt in clubhead out while pushing away with the hips, that's it. If he wanted people to make a transition move like Sergio before then applying his move he would have said so. He never has in any video I have seen and I have seen most if not all.

 

His comment was about Sergio coming ott from the inside as a movement within his swing. It would be unhelpful for anyone reading this to think they should start down by dropping the club horizontal like Sergio as they will end up as the type of golfer malaska is trying to help.

 

If anyone fancies doing this swing follow his drills and what he says but please don't try adding Garcias pretty unique transition move.

[Switter]

Malaska advocates "OTT from the Inside," many ways to achieve it, his is just one method.

 

[TB07]

Malaska advocates "OTT from the Inside," many ways to achieve it, his is just one method.

 

 

All these examples have the handle working out not straight down and the shaft laying off not standing up.

[Circaflex]

Peak Tiger

 

 

 

 

 

Except if you watch any of his swings from that era, he isn't doing that. Tiger might say that is what he felt was happening, but watch some videos on youtube and you'll be surprised.

[Chote konez]

Highly doubt anyone can play with that kicked out shaft OTT garbage. Maybe can be a 4 handicap.

[Fireballer]

To all the people smarter than me...

 

Am I wrong in thinking that the end result of his teaching really isnt different than what tons of good players do? Its just a different thought and feel of how to get there? To me any of the OTT or "standing up the shaft" thoughts are equalized by the pivot and actually get you on plane.

[powerpushfade]

Highly doubt anyone can play with that kicked out shaft OTT garbage. Maybe can be a 4 handicap.

It's only a feeling. In real time the hands are still in motion, traveling down, forward and out. At some point the shaft does kick out, it is just some people do it incorrectly.

[pre0024]

Peak Tiger

 

 

 

 

 

Except if you watch any of his swings from that era, he isn't doing that. Tiger might say that is what he felt was happening, but watch some videos on youtube and you'll be surprised.

 

No surprise to be found. It's a feel.

[BottleCap]

To all the people smarter than me...

 

Am I wrong in thinking that the end result of his teaching really isnt different than what tons of good players do? Its just a different thought and feel of how to get there? To me any of the OTT or "standing up the shaft" thoughts are equalized by the pivot and actually get you on plane.

 

I don't think lots of people do this. There are many ways to hit a golf ball, a lot of others have success with the leading with the right elbow and flipping the hands.

 

I stumbled onto the Malaska feel from the Hardy one plane swing, it's similar, but Malaska spoke to me better

[golow]

The misunderstanding I read in every Malaska thread by some in the gallery including teachers is painful. It's a feel ... add in rotation and "standing up the shaft" is mitigated .... it shallows. Watch every swing from every player he teaches.

 

Painful

[Chote konez]

The misunderstanding I read in every Malaska thread by some in the gallery including teachers is painful. It's a feel ... add in rotation and "standing up the shaft" is mitigated .... it shallows. Watch every swing from every player he teaches.

 

Painful

 

He does an atrocious job communicating it then. Not a good teacher.

[zoots]

Peak Tiger

 

 

 

 

 

Except if you watch any of his swings from that era, he isn't doing that. Tiger might say that is what he felt was happening, but watch some videos on youtube and you'll be surprised.

 

No surprise to be found. It's a feel.

 

Exactly. Its a feel to keep the club from getting stuck behind you. When you see Malaska swing the club at speed the move is imperceptible.

 

One of his instructors

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJtXLaJkDQQ?t=1m14s

[bigseanc12]

The misunderstanding I read in every Malaska thread by some in the gallery including teachers is painful. It's a feel ... add in rotation and "standing up the shaft" is mitigated .... it shallows. Watch every swing from every player he teaches.

 

Painful

 

He does an atrocious job communicating it then. Not a good teacher.

 

He literally says his in every video.

 

Do his move and video yourself. Nobody can even get it to look like the tiger demonstration when they swing at full speed. The exaggeration of any new movement is needed to get actual minor changes from a motor skill standpoint.

[golow]

The misunderstanding I read in every Malaska thread by some in the gallery including teachers is painful. It's a feel ... add in rotation and "standing up the shaft" is mitigated .... it shallows. Watch every swing from every player he teaches.

 

Painful

 

He does an atrocious job communicating it then. Not a good teacher.

 

He literally says his in every video.

 

Do his move and video yourself. Nobody can even get it to look like the tiger demonstration when they swing at full speed. The exaggeration of any new movement is needed to get actual minor changes from a motor skill standpoint.

 

Thank you Sean

[iteachgolf]

The misunderstanding I read in every Malaska thread by some in the gallery including teachers is painful. It's a feel ... add in rotation and "standing up the shaft" is mitigated .... it shallows. Watch every swing from every player he teaches.

 

Painful

 

He does an atrocious job communicating it then. Not a good teacher.

 

He literally says his in every video.

 

Do his move and video yourself. Nobody can even get it to look like the tiger demonstration when they swing at full speed. The exaggeration of any new movement is needed to get actual minor changes from a motor skill standpoint.

 

I see people daily that literally do exactly what he demonstrates and steepen the shaft and get clubhead outside their hands coming down. Just like Tiger demonstrates. It’s actually exponentially more common than players that shallow the club in transition

[BottleCap]

The misunderstanding I read in every Malaska thread by some in the gallery including teachers is painful. It's a feel ... add in rotation and "standing up the shaft" is mitigated .... it shallows. Watch every swing from every player he teaches.

 

Painful

 

He does an atrocious job communicating it then. Not a good teacher.

 

He literally says his in every video.

 

Do his move and video yourself. Nobody can even get it to look like the tiger demonstration when they swing at full speed. The exaggeration of any new movement is needed to get actual minor changes from a motor skill standpoint.

 

I see people daily that literally do exactly what he demonstrates and steepen the shaft and get clubhead outside their hands coming down. Just like Tiger demonstrates. It's actually exponentially more common than players that shallow the club in transition

 

Like Matt Kuchar and others. In Hardy's Release book, there's a bunch of examples of players that have started doing this in the RIT chapters.

[argee1977]

The misunderstanding I read in every Malaska thread by some in the gallery including teachers is painful. It's a feel ... add in rotation and "standing up the shaft" is mitigated .... it shallows. Watch every swing from every player he teaches.

 

Painful

 

Yeah, he has a pet hate for the fast hips and getting stuck position, as he always says that's how he played most of his career, and that's why he advocates that initial move at the transition for those types of players, same with getting your hands low and close to the body to assist those who are truly over the top as their first move is to throw the hands out.

 

As many have said, it is all just a feel though, and there is a bit that can help each type of golfer, myself, the initial movement at the top helps me with the driver (not with the irons for some reason), as i have a tendency to get a little stuck and throw out at the ball, and push it most of the time, it feels counterintuitive, but i feel like i have a lot more time to get to the ball.

 

I do see similarities with Malaska and others though, but they do seem to focus on different bits, the main thing i take from most of it is they all advocate having the proper swing arc, and that's all Malaska is doing with these feel drills.

[Hilts1969]

The misunderstanding I read in every Malaska thread by some in the gallery including teachers is painful. It's a feel ... add in rotation and "standing up the shaft" is mitigated .... it shallows. Watch every swing from every player he teaches.

 

Painful

 

He does an atrocious job communicating it then. Not a good teacher.

 

He literally says his in every video.

 

Do his move and video yourself. Nobody can even get it to look like the tiger demonstration when they swing at full speed. The exaggeration of any new movement is needed to get actual minor changes from a motor skill standpoint.

 

I see people daily that literally do exactly what he demonstrates and steepen the shaft and get clubhead outside their hands coming down. Just like Tiger demonstrates. It’s actually exponentially more common than players that shallow the club in transition

 

I have seen plenty too in but never seen anyone do the tiger/malaska move

[iteachgolf]

The misunderstanding I read in every Malaska thread by some in the gallery including teachers is painful. It's a feel ... add in rotation and "standing up the shaft" is mitigated .... it shallows. Watch every swing from every player he teaches.

 

Painful

 

He does an atrocious job communicating it then. Not a good teacher.

 

He literally says his in every video.

 

Do his move and video yourself. Nobody can even get it to look like the tiger demonstration when they swing at full speed. The exaggeration of any new movement is needed to get actual minor changes from a motor skill standpoint.

 

I see people daily that literally do exactly what he demonstrates and steepen the shaft and get clubhead outside their hands coming down. Just like Tiger demonstrates. It’s actually exponentially more common than players that shallow the club in transition

 

I have seen plenty too in but never seen anyone do the tiger/malaska move

 

Than you don’t watch many high handicap golfers who hit pull slices. Because I see it daily.