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LOL, you need the best tools to aspire to greatness.

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Not sure about my clubs, but my wife for certain!

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JP has a lovely swing so no...if anything, Jack Pearsall’s gear is lower quality given his swing quality...course, his wife unit does not appreciate JP’s swing beauty...

 

She refuses to ride in a cart admiring his swing.

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A buddy of mine uses Ping i3 Blades, some 10 year old Cobra driver and fairway woods, a generic dimestore putter, etc, yet he's a single digit handicapper. Does this imply some sort of superiority? Obviously not. This guy is just not into equipment and that's fine. He spends his money traveling and playing nice courses whenever he can. Simple value proposition.

 

Opposite this guy may be someone that shoots 90+ and use PXG's. To me the car analogy is a good one; having nice hardware provides pleasure all it's own and there is nothing wrong with that.

 

As for me, I have no doubt that I could put together a bag that would play just as well as my gamers but hit a lower price point. Does that mean the quality of my clubs is better than me? Guess the answer would have to be yes! I will say though that I got great deals on all my clubs and I do my own assembly so the cost of my gamers was quite reasonable.

 

I also think that deciding upon a set and sticking with them is key. You really can't practice with a different set each time you hit the range and still expect to improve. Sticking with a set (or putter) you love really does make a longterm difference.

 

Clubs don't swing themselves, so they are only as good as the hands they are in. So they can't be better than you are. Their *potential* in a more skilled player's hands might hold more possibilities, but it is irrelevant to you.

 

I like high-end running shoes, but I'll never break any records. But I am getting out of these shoes all the support and everything I am able. If I'd purchased junky shoes, they might provide less and actually hurt me.

 

I've ho'ed my way through a lot of different iron sets because I enjoy that, and I can say unequivocally that there are at least a dozen different sets I've played that all functioned equally and didn't affect my ability to score. I've also got several putters that I rotate and using different putters doesn't affect my score either.

 

Running shoes are completely different because they are in effect, safety devices. Apples to oranges.

 

Well, not different fruit. The point was not the product analogy but the benefit analogy. And running shoes are a performance product.

 

I firmly believe that if you stick with one set and one putter that works that your scores would improve. However, we are all different. My points are based on things I've read on how to grow consistency in the game, which is my interest.

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LOL, you need the best tools to aspire to greatness.

 

My point exactly, except you said it better :)

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I was given a set of 710 AP1 irons when they first came out. At the time, i was gaming garden tools. You'd think the new, quality clubs would have changed my golfing life. Nope. I couldn't hit them at all--had them fitted any everything. They totally intimidated me. Is this the kind of thing you guys are talking about?

 

I wonder if I could have hit them any better if I'd saved up my money and purchased them.

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I buy nice clubs but play clubs within my skill level. I absolutely love the look of blades, but I know my game is not good enough for them (played a set of Mizuno's for a short period). I'm very competitive and play what I believe gives me the best chance to get the ball closest to the flagstick. Some of the best players I've played with were the ones playing older GI irons.

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In a word, yes.

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I'm worth every penny I spend and then some. The score I post is irrelevant.

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My first set of clubs, my grandparents literally found them in a dumpster. True story.

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I do not usually stick my nose into someone else's bag unless there is a club that he hits so well or a club that makes unusual sound. But I will never even question someone else's choice of clubs.....not my cup of tea.

[size=3][font=comic sans ms,cursive]driver - Titleist 915 D3 10.5[/font][/size]
[size=3][font=comic sans ms,cursive]fairway - Ping I25 18 degree 5 wood
hybrid - Ben Hogan VKTR 19 & 23
Irons - Mizuno MP68 3-PW
wedges Mizuno MP-T5 50-58
putter - Ping Sigma G Doon[/font][/size]

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So if you see my bag of Mizuno MP h5 s what do you assume i paid, including the 2 iron, £1,000? Well I paid 450 for the irons.

I play off 14 but can shoot 75. How do you judge if im worthy?

 

? Huh... what the math gets a handicap Ike that shooting 75 ? Serious question

 

By the by I say play whatever makes you smile.

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I never understand this debate. I think it usually stems from some sort of jealousy or just a need to brag about doing more with less. When I was fishing all the time, I never looked at a guy throwing $350 Sustain reels and thought, man what is he doing. He doesn't catch fish but wasted all that money on nice gear. Golf is a very cheap hobby, and dropping $2k on the "tools" to play the game is nothing. That's great that you play well with a $700 bag. Play your game and don't worry about others and what they have.

 

Also, I think you are mixing two different discussions. Playing clubs that don't fit your ability, and playing the nicest new gear even though you don't shoot very well. Nothing wrong with either IMO, but the former is a little tougher to understand than the latter.

Obviously you have never seen someone repeatedly reel in lousy old stinky Australian salmon on a $1500 saltiga dogfight 7000 like I have. I thought it was just a tad overkill, but he was enjoying himself.

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I never understand this debate. I think it usually stems from some sort of jealousy or just a need to brag about doing more with less. When I was fishing all the time, I never looked at a guy throwing $350 Sustain reels and thought, man what is he doing. He doesn't catch fish but wasted all that money on nice gear. Golf is a very cheap hobby, and dropping $2k on the "tools" to play the game is nothing. That's great that you play well with a $700 bag. Play your game and don't worry about others and what they have.

 

Also, I think you are mixing two different discussions. Playing clubs that don't fit your ability, and playing the nicest new gear even though you don't shoot very well. Nothing wrong with either IMO, but the former is a little tougher to understand than the latter.

Obviously you have never seen someone repeatedly reel in lousy old stinky Australian salmon on a $1500 saltiga dogfight 7000 like I have. I thought it was just a tad overkill, but he was enjoying himself.

Oh that's a nice reel. I think I'll get one for my next trip to the trout pond. Thanks!

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I live near a guy who passed on getting a mortgage/house, and instead drives a brand new Lamborghini... in Alberta... He also lives in his mother’s house. Yes, I know all these signs point to him being a drug dealer...

 

I forgot the point I was trying to make. I think at first it was spend your money on the things you want, but my example then turned my mind to live within your means, and then turned to don’t sell drugs.

 

Ok, I figured it out. Don’t overextend yourself. Buy clubs you can afford, regardless of handicap. Bob Parsons isn’t a great golfer, but he can play PXG and/or spend $250,000 a year on equipment because he’s a billionaire. Just don’t let the equipment get to your head. You still suck.

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Driver 2: Taylormade Burner Mini 11.5 HZRDUS Smoke Green 70 X D5

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Irons: PXG 0317X; PXG 0311T Gen 5; 5-GW DG 105 X D7

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If I had the money, I'd have fancy custom everything and backups for my backups. If I was broke, I'd make it work with what I could manage to get ahold of.

 

Do what you want. Play what you want.

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My game definitely eclipses the quality of my clubs. It is not by choice but because of necessity. 10 years ago I could easily be the guy that can afford the latest tech from a major OEM but like most people have been affected because of the great recession of 2008. Since I don't earn as much as I did back then I had to make do with the best clubs I can afford. Any money that I do have that could've gone to club upgrading went to driving range balls. In 3 years of hard work redoing my swing from scratch I gone from a player shooting in the 90s to one shooting in the 70s, all with a bunch of clubs with a combined value that is less than a new set of irons.

That's what I am talking about! Recognizing it and then putting the effort into your swing and game and making it better. Range balls, hard work and practice instead of new clubs! Awesome!

 

My big thing is watching some not letting go of their ego. An older gentleman that i have played with still wants to play blades, a 2 iron, an 8.5 driver with a D+ 72 whiteboard, s300 shafts etc. He is over 70 years old and thinks they are the best clubs for his game. Who cares how much the cost, and some are quality clubs but they totally eclipse his swing and game! He is lucky to break 90 with them all for the simple fact he is not willing to let go of the fact that he is not physically able to swing them the way he should. Too heavy, wrong setup and just everything. Why play something that is going to hurt your game instead of help it?!

 

Perhaps he just did not care about the score. Perhaps he was playing the game for reasons he alone knew.

[size=3][font=comic sans ms,cursive]driver - Titleist 915 D3 10.5[/font][/size]
[size=3][font=comic sans ms,cursive]fairway - Ping I25 18 degree 5 wood
hybrid - Ben Hogan VKTR 19 & 23
Irons - Mizuno MP68 3-PW
wedges Mizuno MP-T5 50-58
putter - Ping Sigma G Doon[/font][/size]

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