Patrick Reed golf.com Story - A Must Read

[williamsnrb]

The fact that this story was queued up and ready to go minutes after the victory tells some something is not right with the family. They had reporters at the house and a Masters party going on? Sounds totally staged. My guess is they are after his money.

 

bingo.....

 

 

for all those saying " go back to the fam".... try to think about it this way ... what if "the fam" were a high functioning crack addict married to a loritab addict , and they beat each other every 15 days or so ... still feel the same? Would you leave your 2-3 year old there for a sunday afternoon with "the grandparents"? These types exist and walk among you and youd never know it .

 

Theres more going on here than we know... and i suspect its something embarrassing that Reed has chosen to stay quiet about as it will only cause himself and his family embarrassment ..

 

Man... it shocks me how many whitewashed perfect homes we have here.... kudos to you all.. But have some empathy for those who dont have that

 

That's certainly possible. A lot of people appear to have polished relationships when the reality is very different. Something feels different here, though. The parents pony up money and time required for their son to play high level AJGA tournaments as a junior golfer (I had a front row seat at that show when my parents were doing everything it took for me to play in the AJGA and the sacrifices are considerable). Then they support him through college, switching schools with the associated controversy. They help him get his start in professional golf only to have Patrick turn his back on them. Now, there HAS to be a lot more to it than that, but the parents don't seem to be completely horrible.

[Vindog]

Reed is a polarizing figure. He’s good for golf.

 

Ferguson dropping the heat, bringing it back to Earth.

[cxx]

No one can know what's happened in someone else's life. Family court is filled with tragedy's beyond comprehension of most. Seems like Reed has sorted things out to his satisfaction and that's good enough for me.

 

As for his teammates in college, I can imagine that Reed carried that team from the time he got there. That can't be good for team spirit.

[Llortamaisey]

Holy smokes! I thought the lady that hugged him on 18, with the bright green and pink outfit, was his mom. That’s not his mom?

[Yuck]

What reason do Patrick and his wife to respond to this? Whether it is true, false or somewhere in between, I cannot imagine engaging in this discussion has any upside for Reed.

[Ferguson]

Reed is a polarizing figure. He's good for golf.

 

Ferguson dropping the heat, bringing it back to Earth.

 

 

He is good for golf. Well stated.

 

 

It's refreshing to see someone who isn't so cookie cutter. And that bird on 12 was nothing short of OUTSTANDING!

[Mdemuth]

I almost feel bad for the guy, to reach the pinnacle and this is all people have to say about the guy.

 

I feel sorry for all the people who can't just enjoy golf and be happy for Reed. I know I don't watch golf for the interviews or constantly pushed story lines, I want to watch good golf, no matter who it is, and think it's a great accomplishment for anyone who wins on tour, let alone the majors..

[williamsnrb]

The story said his family "wasn't welcome" at Augusta. Does that imply that they were somehow banned? And having them escorted out of the US Open --- how does his wife have that authority? If they have tickets and as long as they aren't harassing Patrick or Justine and there's no restraining order or anything. Just seems weird that they would be able to do that.

 

I, too, thought that was very strange. I'm not sure how they have the ability to have someone tossed from a public event when they have tickets, not harassing anyone, etc.

[redfirebird08]

Reed definitely is a different type of person than the typical guy on tour. He sticks to himself a lot and might think he can stay more focused or have that killer instinct if he doesn't get close to anyone. I personally like having friends and people to hang out with so I find his behavior different than what I would do. I did notice that there was not much emotion after he one. What I mean is no crying. When he hugged his wife neither were crying. He just won what many consider the best tournament in the world and it was like he won the Waste Management. In Butler Cabin it didn't seem as exciting as when most guys win and they talk about how they have dreamed of this since a kid. He mentioned he was happy to win a major and said nothing about the Green Jacket. He did say he was happy to win in the town he went to college. He just seems like he is detached in some ways.

 

That approach could pay off for him on the golf course. The best way to win big events is try your best to just play regular golf and reduce the pressure. Seems like it worked for him on Saturday and Sunday.

[bladehunter]

BUT surely nobody here believes that fluff piece is entirely accurate and complete?

 

I do. I think it is balanced, and careful and nuanced. As balanced as it could be, given that Reed and his wife seem to refuse all comments/interviews on the subject.

 

Again, I happen to think that Alan Shipnuck is one of the very best golf writers working today. It is an altogether uncomfortable story, but I think Shipnuck conveyed that discomfort in an appropriate way. I saw nothing that struck me as inaccurate.

 

And complete ? You think that's it. The toughest bulldog on the course is completely under mind control by a 100lb blonde ? He's filthy rich now. He could buy 10 more. Come on. You can't print a story with that many holes and question marks and call it complete.

 

"Complete" is your prerequisite. I didn't use that word. I basically suggested that it was in fact NOT complete, because Reed and his wife have never commented on it or cooperated with writers on the subject. If there is a reason, for instance, for Justine to have asked to have Reed's mother and father taken out of a tournament by security, it would be good to understand that. Patrick and Justine haven't helped out with that.

 

 

sorry.. i misunderstood.. when you said "i do" i assumed you meant that to answer the question on accurate and complete....

[Mitchell]

Very happy for Patrick Reed to have achieved a big time professional goal. My limited experience/interaction with Patrick and Justine was exceedingly positive and I wish them, their kids,and rest of family nothing but the best. No matter what issues or complications are involved in family dynamic, those issues should be allowed to be dealt with in a private manner if there is to be any hope of at least civil interaction going forward. Truly tiresome for many to bring up negativity anytime an individual gains acclaim for an accomplishment, personally, had rather congratulate the person and focus on positive achievement.

[lumberman2462]

A lot of stories about Reed over the years....Family dynamics can be tough.

 

The loner/nobody really knows him?

 

He grew up idolizing Tiger and the Young Tiger was as much of a 'head down, blinders on and get the job done' type of guys that has ever been on Tour. Maybe Reed is just continuing on with what has been working for him.

 

Tiger has gone from Hard Core to the new warm and fuzzy Tiger....if that can happen then Reed can surely adjust.

[nova6868]

What reason do Patrick and his wife to respond to this? Whether it is true, false or somewhere in between, I cannot imagine engaging in this discussion has any upside for Reed.

 

When you cut your parents off completely from their grandchildren and have them forcibly removed from watching you even play golf, most people expect some sort of reason for this cold atomized behavior.

 

Especially in this case where it seems his parents are mostly supportive and normal people. They still have a healthy relationship with their daughter. So if Reed doesn't want to give a reason, fine - I assume he doesn't have a good one. From the outside it looks like he got caught up in his wife's BPD "splitting".

 

[williamsnrb]

Read the article... And i do see the side of some here IF it were 100% true and complete... BUT surely nobody here believes that fluff piece is entirely accurate and complete? It defies any logic...

 

Please stop with the "older woman " nonsense.. 4 years in your 20s isnt a big gap at all.... and in your 60s its literally equal... if she were 35 to his 22 yes...

 

I don't know. There's a difference in maturity and life development between 26 and 22. Agree that the difference is null later in life. I'm not inferring that it makes a difference in this case, but I think there is a difference at that stage in life.

[15th Club]

What reason do Patrick and his wife to respond to this? Whether it is true, false or somewhere in between, I cannot imagine engaging in this discussion has any upside for Reed.

 

I have no understanding for that. If Reed doesn't put his story out there, the entire narrative is up to his detractors; if you want to regard them as detractors (Reed and his wife seem to think so).

 

I'd say that asking tournament security to remove certain spectators for no apparent reason is weird and possibly actionable. Yes, I think that calls for an explanation.

 

Nobody is saying that Reed HAS to answer questions. I am saying that is almost beyond obvious that he SHOULD answer questions, if indeed he has a good, meritorious, sympathetic story to tell. Ask Tiger Woods how it goes, when you basically leave it up to Steiny to stonewall the press.

[playar32]

People act like this is the only story where reed comes off as a complete POS. Likely this isn't the whole story, so I am not taking specific elements from it to believe, but I do think when his family, all his college teammates (one of which he was kicked off) and basically all the players and many commentators don't seem to like him at all, there is probably a reason.

 

They asked jordan about Reed's win and, while he seems to be closest out of everyone to Reed in terms of peers, he did not give him any congrats or say anything really it was very very odd.

 

He doesn't need to be a fun boy but you can be a Ryan Moore loner type and not be seemingly hated by everyone.

 

Exactly, David Duval was know to be some what of a loner (sometimes ate dinner by himself), but there is a difference between keeping to yourself and being a complete jack wagon.

 

Look, the guy won the Masters and that's great. We all have to make our own judgements. From experience, where there is smoke there is fire; additionally, you have to ask yourself if it passes the smell test. Apparently he cheated, you would think someone would learn from that and never do it again; or learn the second, third and fourth documented times. Apparently Patrick didn't. Mix in stealing from teammates and the drinking (which isn't that bad alone), and it creates a funny picture. The family situation adds another layer, and unless one both sides want to completely detail what happened, it will remain weird.

 

I'll just say, I don't have a kid. If I did, I probably won't want him/her to look at Patrick Reed as a role model (esp with the role model ready players on tour.) At end of they day, it's all about how you treat people. That's why Arnie still has an Army, long after winning majors and Mickelson is the People's Champ and people can't get enough of the Rock. If can win 10 masters, you can build a thousand bridges, you can solve cancer, but get labeled a jack wagon (pick you label), and you'll always be a jack wagon.

[LoveG]

A lot of stories about Reed over the years....Family dynamics can be tough.

 

The loner/nobody really knows him?

 

He grew up idolizing Tiger and the Young Tiger was as much of a 'head down, blinders on and get the job done' type of guys that has ever been on Tour. Maybe Reed is just continuing on with what has been working for him.

 

Tiger has gone from Hard Core to the new warm and fuzzy Tiger....if that can happen then Reed can surely adjust.

 

That's kind of how I view it. He got to see Tiger in person also. I'm sure his parents weren't perfect and maybe flat out bad influences on him..but I've also seen what a manipulative girlfriend can do to a man, especially when family is being tough on him about her. My guess is the wedding to Justine was a major problem, more than the article lets on. Who in here has ever had a girlfriend/boyfriend that your parents didn't approve of? It happens all the time.

 

His idol is known for cutting people off completely...sounds like a page out of young Tiger's book.

[Konklifer]

There is one blatantly false part of this article, and I know first hand that it is untrue: Masters Sunday DID fall on Easter this year.

 

Happy Easter to all my fellow Orthodox Christians out there!

[bladehunter]

What reason do Patrick and his wife to respond to this? Whether it is true, false or somewhere in between, I cannot imagine engaging in this discussion has any upside for Reed.

 

 

absolutely agree... if he comes out with some huge expose' then hes surely crucified in the court of public opinion ... its a lose lose at this point ... best bet is head down push forward... The amount of " grandparents rights' comments here show that ... nothing short of his parents having the body of a 3rd child in a freezer somehere would suffice .

[williamsnrb]

BUT surely nobody here believes that fluff piece is entirely accurate and complete?

 

I do. I think it is balanced, and careful and nuanced. As balanced as it could be, given that Reed and his wife seem to refuse all comments/interviews on the subject.

 

Again, I happen to think that Alan Shipnuck is one of the very best golf writers working today. It is an altogether uncomfortable story, but I think Shipnuck conveyed that discomfort in an appropriate way. I saw nothing that struck me as inaccurate.

 

And complete ? You think that’s it. The toughest bulldog on the course is completely under mind control by a 100lb blonde ? He’s filthy rich now. He could buy 10 more. Come on. You can’t print a story with that many holes and question marks and call it complete.

 

There's got to be more to the story. But when only one side will give their take, the story is going to be one-sided to a degree.

[cxx]

People act like this is the only story where reed comes off as a complete POS. Likely this isn't the whole story, so I am not taking specific elements from it to believe, but I do think when his family, all his college teammates (one of which he was kicked off) and basically all the players and many commentators don't seem to like him at all, there is probably a reason.

 

They asked jordan about Reed's win and, while he seems to be closest out of everyone to Reed in terms of peers, he did not give him any congrats or say anything really it was very very odd.

 

He doesn't need to be a fun boy but you can be a Ryan Moore loner type and not be seemingly hated by everyone.

 

Exactly, David Duval was know to be some what of a loner (sometimes ate dinner by himself), but there is a difference between keeping to yourself and being a complete jack wagon.

 

Look, the guy won the Masters and that's great. We all have to make our own judgements. From experience, where there is smoke there is fire; additionally, you have to ask yourself if it passes the smell test. Apparently he cheated, you would think someone would learn from that and never do it again; or learn the second, third and fourth documented times. Apparently Patrick didn't. Mix in stealing from teammates and the drinking (which isn't that bad alone), and it creates a funny picture. The family situation adds another layer, and unless one both sides want to completely detail what happened, it will remain weird.

 

I'll just say, I don't have a kid. If I did, I probably won't want him/her to look at Patrick Reed as a role model (esp with the role model ready players on tour.) At end of they day, it's all about how you treat people. That's why Arnie still has an Army, long after winning majors and Mickelson is the People's Champ and people can't get enough of the Rock. If can win 10 masters, you can build a thousand bridges, you can solve cancer, but get labeled a jack wagon (pick you label), and you'll always be a jack wagon.

 

Dude, is that a typo in your name?

[bladehunter]

What reason do Patrick and his wife to respond to this? Whether it is true, false or somewhere in between, I cannot imagine engaging in this discussion has any upside for Reed.

 

I have no understanding for that. If Reed doesn't put his story out there, the entire narrative is up to his detractors; if you want to regard them as detractors (Reed and his wife seem to think so).

 

I'd say that asking tournament security to remove certain spectators for no apparent reason is weird and possibly actionable. Yes, I think that calls for an explanation.

 

Nobody is saying that Reed HAS to answer questions. I am saying that is almost beyond obvious that he SHOULD answer questions, if indeed he has a good, meritorious, sympathetic story to tell. Ask Tiger Woods how it goes, when you basically leave it up to Steiny to stonewall the press.

 

 

any player can have anyone removed or banned for harassment ... you cant think that the beef they have , then them showing up to a major ( us open) and following him unannounced isnt unsettling ... you have to remove the fact that they are related... the law wouldnt care about that ... if anything if they did it multiple times he would have cause against them. They could be on the grounds.. but following his group in eyesight certainly could be cause for a harassment claim...

[CommerceTiger]

Here's the deal. You either like Reed or hate him. The haters are going to try and justify their hate whatever way they can. So this is what they do is find an article about him that puts him in a bad light, they talk about his college days. None of these stories have ever been proven true and no one knows what really happened with him and his family, but they will continue to rehash it to justify their hate. It's sad really that the guys personal life has to be brought up just to make people feel better about themselves

[playar32]

People act like this is the only story where reed comes off as a complete POS. Likely this isn't the whole story, so I am not taking specific elements from it to believe, but I do think when his family, all his college teammates (one of which he was kicked off) and basically all the players and many commentators don't seem to like him at all, there is probably a reason.

 

They asked jordan about Reed's win and, while he seems to be closest out of everyone to Reed in terms of peers, he did not give him any congrats or say anything really it was very very odd.

 

He doesn't need to be a fun boy but you can be a Ryan Moore loner type and not be seemingly hated by everyone.

 

Exactly, David Duval was know to be some what of a loner (sometimes ate dinner by himself), but there is a difference between keeping to yourself and being a complete jack wagon.

 

Look, the guy won the Masters and that's great. We all have to make our own judgements. From experience, where there is smoke there is fire; additionally, you have to ask yourself if it passes the smell test. Apparently he cheated, you would think someone would learn from that and never do it again; or learn the second, third and fourth documented times. Apparently Patrick didn't. Mix in stealing from teammates and the drinking (which isn't that bad alone), and it creates a funny picture. The family situation adds another layer, and unless one both sides want to completely detail what happened, it will remain weird.

 

I'll just say, I don't have a kid. If I did, I probably won't want him/her to look at Patrick Reed as a role model (esp with the role model ready players on tour.) At end of they day, it's all about how you treat people. That's why Arnie still has an Army, long after winning majors and Mickelson is the People's Champ and people can't get enough of the Rock. If can win 10 masters, you can build a thousand bridges, you can solve cancer, but get labeled a jack wagon (pick you label), and you'll always be a jack wagon.

 

Dude, is that a typo in your name?

 

My user name?

 

Really weird topic to bring up (and not to hijack the forum) but it's spelled correctly; when I first made my account in high school it was my attempt to be cool (also from another form where player32 was taken)

[cxx]

BUT surely nobody here believes that fluff piece is entirely accurate and complete?

 

I do. I think it is balanced, and careful and nuanced. As balanced as it could be, given that Reed and his wife seem to refuse all comments/interviews on the subject.

 

Again, I happen to think that Alan Shipnuck is one of the very best golf writers working today. It is an altogether uncomfortable story, but I think Shipnuck conveyed that discomfort in an appropriate way. I saw nothing that struck me as inaccurate.

 

And complete ? You think that's it. The toughest bulldog on the course is completely under mind control by a 100lb blonde ? He's filthy rich now. He could buy 10 more. Come on. You can't print a story with that many holes and question marks and call it complete.

 

There's got to be more to the story. But when only one side will give their take, the story is going to be one-sided to a degree.

 

So, why did you start this thread?

[sdandrea]

He's obviously a highly talented player. His documented behavior in his early youth (trashing opportunity with immature mistakes) makes me suspect of his personality/attitude. Even tho his facial/body language exudes negativity to me, I'll reserve judgement and enjoy watching him play golf. He's mentally tough. He finished like a champ with Spieth and Fowler closing in on him, especially after his tenuous start on #1. We will never know all the facts or the history of what made Reed who he is today.

[nova6868]

It's sad really that the guys personal life has to be brought up just to make people feel better about themselves

 

Who feels better about themselves over this? The whole story makes me sad. The thought of one of my sons cutting me off from the grandchildren (for no stated reason) makes me feel physically ill.

 

[williamsnrb]

When one sits back and ponders the true meaning of time well spent one naturally gravitates to speculating about a professional golfer's personal life.

 

 

What I see is a guy that compartmentalized the "stuff" in his life, stood up like a man, and won a very big golf tournament that will ever change his life.

The dude can play golf, period. The other stuff is trivial.

 

I agree that his personal life is his business. That does not mean that I can't be interested in it, though. And for some reason, this story fascinates me.

[cxx]

It's sad really that the guys personal life has to be brought up just to make people feel better about themselves

 

Who feels better about themselves over this? The whole story makes me sad. The thought of one of my sons cutting me off from the grandchildren (for no stated reason) makes me feel physically ill.

 

If they do, I'm sure you'll know why.

 

edit: and you won't tell anyone.

[tbowles411]

Read the article by Shane Ryan about his college days and make up your own mind.

 

How many people could read an account of their own college days and feel great about it? And proudly display it to the world? I know I couldn't.

 

This is getting to be too much. We're judging a guy based on his college days? No thanks.

I'm just glad there was no internet or cell phone cameras when I was 20 for people to judge me of what people thought was right and wrong. Still haven't met any perfect people yet now that I'm on the march to 50.