Mickelson hitting putt while ball was still moving?

[Maximilian]

I guess something interesting needed to happen. Bit of a yawner with a less than compelling leaderboard. Hope it gets better. And I hate fox’s golf coverage.

This is funny to me, how people can appreciate different leaderboards. Personally, this is about as compelling of a leaderboard as I could ever hope for! Everyone I like plus the arguably best golfer in the world right now at the top! It’s perfect!

[sfiggins]

If they don't DQ Phil it sets a horrible precedent. Imagine a ball about to roll into a water hazard--two stroke penalty for running over and hitting a slap shot might not be such a bad option, if this behavior is to be allowed going forward.

 

Stopping moving balls from going into bad places is not golf IMO.

 

I couldn’t agree more. Then combined with Phil admission this deliberate act is tantamount to cheating.

[Holy Moses]

Phil said he hit the moving ball intentionally so it wouldn't get behind the bunker again. If he's that defiant, he should be DQ'd. That's cheating, plain and simple.

 

Why would that be cheating? He willingly accepted the two stroke penalty. If it were cheating then there would be a rule against it besides a two stroke penalty.

 

In the big scheme of things it doesn't really matter since he finished +17.

 

Because he broke rule 1-2. “A player is deemed to have committed a serious breach of Rule 1-2 if the Committee considers that the action taken in breach of this Rule has allowed him or another player to gain a significant advantage or has placed another player, other than his partner, at a significant disadvantage."

 

Phil admitted he stopped the ball because it was advantageous for him to do so, ie the ball was going past the hole and behind the bunker. Phil cheated to gain what he thought was a stroke or two. I am typically not a fan of the USGA, but they wimped out because of what has happened at 7 last time the US Open was here, the greens at Chambers Bay, penalizing DJ two years ago, and the low numbers last year.

[nogamejames]

I just saw Phil's interview and he is talking himself into a DQ. Wow.

[DatSliceDoe]

I'd LOOOOVE to see the USGA DQ him. It would light this forum on fire for weeks. It would likely damage Phil to the core, and destroy the US Open's fan base - especially in NY. A seriously sharp double edged sword if the USGA rules committee changes their minds on the penalty to move to a DQ.

[Holy Moses]

I just saw Phil's interview and he is talking himself into a DQ. Wow.

 

He’s daring them to. If Phil said he snapped because he wants to win this tournament so bad and wasnt trying to gain an advantage, that would have spared him. Now, you have to DQ him. I will lose respect for the USGA if they don’t.

[Holy Moses]

I'd LOOOOVE to see the USGA DQ him. It would light this forum on fire for weeks. It would likely damage Phil to the core, and destroy the US Open's fan base - especially in NY. A seriously sharp double edged sword if the USGA rules committee changes their minds on the penalty to move to a DQ.

 

It wouldn’t destroy the US Open’s fan base. Golf fans are smarter than fighting against a DQ that is deserved.

[Fade]

With taking an unplayable being an option, I am not convinced his action was to his advantage, unless he really didn't want that downhill putt again.

[Mikey5e]

Frustrated with his putting.........and snapped

I think this explains it well. Phil just had enough and was totally frustrated and snapped.

[lowheel]

If they don't DQ Phil it sets a horrible precedent. Imagine a ball about to roll into a water hazard--two stroke penalty for running over and hitting a slap shot might not be such a bad option, if this behavior is to be allowed going forward.

 

Stopping moving balls from going into bad places is not golf IMO.

 

I couldn't agree more. Then combined with Phil admission this deliberate act is tantamount to cheating.

 

Cheating to turn an 8 into a 10? some perspective please. Hes T-65. He was penalized accordingly.

[Big Cat 3]

Phil said he hit the moving ball intentionally so it wouldn’t get behind the bunker again. If he’s that defiant, he should be DQ’d. That’s cheating, plain and simple.

It’s a 2 stroke penalty ... that is the rule

[sfiggins]

I honestly don’t know how Phil could now ever be considered as a Ryder Cup captain.

[lowheel]

I'd LOOOOVE to see the USGA DQ him. It would light this forum on fire for weeks. It would likely damage Phil to the core, and destroy the US Open's fan base - especially in NY. A seriously sharp double edged sword if the USGA rules committee changes their minds on the penalty to move to a DQ.

 

they didnt DQ tiger in 2013 at the masters they wont DQ phil here.

[Big Cat 3]

I honestly don’t know how Phil could now ever be considered as a Ryder Cup captain.

Think he cares ... he would rather bet on football

[Holy Moses]

Phil said he hit the moving ball intentionally so it wouldn’t get behind the bunker again. If he’s that defiant, he should be DQ’d. That’s cheating, plain and simple.

It’s a 2 stroke penalty ... that is the rule

 

That’s the minimum. Unless the exceptions noted in the previous posts occurred. And they did.

[Holy Moses]

I'd LOOOOVE to see the USGA DQ him. It would light this forum on fire for weeks. It would likely damage Phil to the core, and destroy the US Open's fan base - especially in NY. A seriously sharp double edged sword if the USGA rules committee changes their minds on the penalty to move to a DQ.

 

they didnt DQ tiger in 2013 at the masters they wont DQ phil here.

 

Tiger’s was just not knowing the rule. Unintentional. Phil knew the rule and deliberately broke it to get an advantage.

[ssfranny]

I honestly don’t know how Phil could now ever be considered as a Ryder Cup captain.

 

 

Seriously thats an overreaction? I dont think right thing to do and wasnt cheating I dont think. Used rules to his advantage and to speed up play.

[bigmoneyp]

I don't really have an issue with what he did. Maybe Phil actually wants the DQ so he doesn't have to suit up tomorrow and play "clown golf".

[golow]

I honestly don’t know how Phil could now ever be considered as a Ryder Cup captain.

 

Ryder Cup is PGA of America event .... this may make them so happy they may name Phil RC Captain for life.

[sfiggins]

I honestly don’t know how Phil could now ever be considered as a Ryder Cup captain.

Think he cares ... he would rather bet on football

 

I am certain he cares a great deal.

 

I honestly don’t know how Phil could now ever be considered as a Ryder Cup captain.

 

Ryder Cup is PGA of America event .... this may make them so happy they may name Phil RC Captain for life.

 

Good one. That is both true and very funny.

[lowheel]

I honestly don’t know how Phil could now ever be considered as a Ryder Cup captain.

 

Easy now, dont get over dramatic.

[Holy Moses]

I honestly don’t know how Phil could now ever be considered as a Ryder Cup captain.

 

If Phil was in contention on Sunday at the PGA-run PGA Championship when this happened, it might have. I expect Phil to be much more apologetic very soon. Phil won’t win a power struggle with the USGA unless a bunch of other big-name players join his cause.

[bucky316]

I honestly don’t know how Phil could now ever be considered as a Ryder Cup captain.

Think he cares ... he would rather bet on football

....and use insider information to commit securities fraud....only to be saved by a team of high priced lawyers

 

FIGJAM is a phony

[lowheel]

I'd LOOOOVE to see the USGA DQ him. It would light this forum on fire for weeks. It would likely damage Phil to the core, and destroy the US Open's fan base - especially in NY. A seriously sharp double edged sword if the USGA rules committee changes their minds on the penalty to move to a DQ.

 

they didnt DQ tiger in 2013 at the masters they wont DQ phil here.

 

Tiger's was just not knowing the rule. Unintentional. Phil knew the rule and deliberately broke it to get an advantage.

 

That doesnt matter. i wont rehash but youre wrong. they didnt DQ Daly in 99 for doing way worse at pinehurst they wont DQ Mickelson.

[bscinstnct]

I think its Phils birthday.

[lowheel]

I honestly don’t know how Phil could now ever be considered as a Ryder Cup captain.

Think he cares ... he would rather bet on football

....and use insider information to commit securities fraud....only to be saved by a team of high priced lawyers

 

FIGJAM is a phony

 

Also Hulk Hogan turned heel,I know ill never be the same. Will you be Ok?

[Big Cat 3]

Actually like Phil much more ... get tired of all the endless goody goody family drama. Nice Phil’s true naughty inner self came out on the course and not a casino. If Phil can survive a federal inside trading investigation, he can survive a wanted DQ from the stupid USGA.

[straightshot7]

Phil said he hit the moving ball intentionally so it wouldn't get behind the bunker again. If he's that defiant, he should be DQ'd. That's cheating, plain and simple.

 

Why would that be cheating? He willingly accepted the two stroke penalty. If it were cheating then there would be a rule against it besides a two stroke penalty.

 

In the big scheme of things it doesn't really matter since he finished +17.

 

Because he broke rule 1-2. "A player is deemed to have committed a serious breach of Rule 1-2 if the Committee considers that the action taken in breach of this Rule has allowed him or another player to gain a significant advantage or has placed another player, other than his partner, at a significant disadvantage."

 

Phil admitted he stopped the ball because it was advantageous for him to do so, ie the ball was going past the hole and behind the bunker. Phil cheated to gain what he thought was a stroke or two. I am typically not a fan of the USGA, but they wimped out because of what has happened at 7 last time the US Open was here, the greens at Chambers Bay, penalizing DJ two years ago, and the low numbers last year.

 

But is he held to Rule1-2?

 

It says under rule 1 "Exceptions:

 

 

1. An action expressly permitted or expressly prohibited by another Rule is subject to that other Rule, not Rule 1-2."

 

Which I believe is why he was judged by Rule 14, under which there is no option for DQ.

 

Also, Phil never said he did it to gain an advantage. He said he didn't know whether it would cost him a shot or two.

 

He said he just didn't want to keep going back and forth. Whether he was lying I don't know. But saying he "cheated to gain what he thought was a stroke or two" -- how do you know that? He never said that.

 

If he let his ball roll off the green he would be hitting 6 from there. With Phil's short game, he would not have likely scored higher than 10.

 

He did it because he was frustrated and didn't want to "continue that display". Which he said. Not to gain an advantage.

 

I think what he did was lame. But I don't think what you're saying is true.

[Holy Moses]

I'd LOOOOVE to see the USGA DQ him. It would light this forum on fire for weeks. It would likely damage Phil to the core, and destroy the US Open's fan base - especially in NY. A seriously sharp double edged sword if the USGA rules committee changes their minds on the penalty to move to a DQ.

 

they didnt DQ tiger in 2013 at the masters they wont DQ phil here.

 

Tiger's was just not knowing the rule. Unintentional. Phil knew the rule and deliberately broke it to get an advantage.

 

That doesnt matter. i wont rehash but youre wrong. they didnt DQ Daly in 99 for doing way worse at pinehurst they wont DQ Mickelson.

 

“Serious breach” and “significant advantage” (like putting a moving ball that was about to stop on a flat area vs one falling down a hill) is the very reason this rule is in the books. So of course it matters because the rule book says it matters. My point was not Tiger’s breach vs Phil’s, but breaking a rule and breaking a rule where there is an exception for this very type of thing.

[doublehans]

Even if you think this deserves a DQ because it was intentionally for advantage etc, that doesn’t make it cheating. For it to be cheating, Phil had to know it was against the rules too. Based on his interview where he admitted to doing it on purpose, it’s pretty clear he believes that to be within the rules, just accept the penalty. So, at worst, even if he’s DQ’d it’s because he misinterpreted the rules, not because he was cheating. I’m not a fan of what Phil did, if he got DQ’d it wouldn’t seem wrong. But calling it cheating, no.