TW After Carnoustie

[Darth Putter]

In 1999 and 2007 Tiger had a good finish at Carnoustie, but did not win.

 

In 1999 and 2007 he won the PGA.

 

[Debow]

Looks like tiger is going back to Firestone

[lowheel]

Right now I would pick TW to win a major before Jordan. TW seems closer to major winning form.

 

ROFL

[FargoRC]

If he can stay healthy he will win another one, if anyone had doubts about his back they shouldn't after that bunker shot he hit on 10. That was vintage Tiger.

[youdamantiger]

Not sure team sports excellence is comparable to individual sports. In golf it's Jack and Tiger. The rest are a tier or more below. In tennis it's Federer and Nadal. Most great players aren't really transcendent; they're just consistently good over some period.

 

Why would team sports be any different? We're not talking team achievements here. LeBron has been on some god awful teams, he has still put up individual stats that are better than Jordan's. Ditto Brady over Montana. People made the exact same argument about Pete Sampras that people now make about Tiger. And within a decade Federer had become the new GOAT. Ditto Serena over Steffi. I can't name a sport in which the player considered the GOAT is not active now or wasn't active within the past 20 years. Can you? The point is "once in a lifetime" players don't exist. There's always someone better who comes along within 20 years or so.

[hdr_ric]

Not sure team sports excellence is comparable to individual sports. In golf it's Jack and Tiger. The rest are a tier or more below. In tennis it's Federer and Nadal. Most great players aren't really transcendent; they're just consistently good over some period.

 

Why would team sports be any different? We're not talking team achievements here. LeBron has been on some god awful teams, he has still put up individual stats that are better than Jordan's. Ditto Brady over Montana. People made the exact same argument about Pete Sampras that people now make about Tiger. And within a decade Federer had become the new GOAT. Ditto Serena over Steffi. I can't name a sport in which the player considered the GOAT is not active now or wasn't active within the past 20 years. Can you? The point is "once in a lifetime" players don't exist. There's always someone better who comes along within 20 years or so.

 

I think golf is a little different. I don’t think any of the guys currently playing will ever sniff Jack or Tiger’s achievements. They just are good enough. I don’t think they will even match Phil’s win total for that matter.

 

I guess someone eventually will come along, but I don’t see it happening any time soon.

[FargoRC]

Jack and Tiger are so far beyond anyone else in the history of game it might be a while. Tiger may not win another major and yet I doubt any of these young guys comes within five of his total much less get near Jack.

[TheMoneyShot]

Looks like tiger is going back to Firestone

 

I thought he is out?

[youdamantiger]

I don't know. I just can't understand why golf would be the one area of human endeavor in which transcendent achievements are not capable of being surpassed. In science, art, technology, sports, etc. humans constantly push the envelope and expand the realm of what is considered possible. Why would golf be any different?

[Vindog]

I don't know. I just can't understand why golf would be the one area of human endeavor in which transcendent achievements are not capable of being surpassed. In science, art, technology, sports, etc. humans constantly push the envelope and expand the realm of what is considered possible. Why would golf be any different?

 

They're not getting what you are saying. They are focused on the "current crop" and not the "next crop". In my opinion.

[paint94979]

He's in Bridgestone

[Shilgy]

Not sure team sports excellence is comparable to individual sports. In golf it's Jack and Tiger. The rest are a tier or more below. In tennis it's Federer and Nadal. Most great players aren't really transcendent; they're just consistently good over some period.

 

Why would team sports be any different? We're not talking team achievements here. LeBron has been on some god awful teams, he has still put up individual stats that are better than Jordan's. Ditto Brady over Montana. People made the exact same argument about Pete Sampras that people now make about Tiger. And within a decade Federer had become the new GOAT. Ditto Serena over Steffi. I can't name a sport in which the player considered the GOAT is not active now or wasn't active within the past 20 years. Can you? The point is "once in a lifetime" players don't exist. There's always someone better who comes along within 20 years or so.

Maybe because most team sports the stats are dependent on what the teams needs are?

Would Durant and Curry and Thompson score more if on a different team that needed their scoring?

 

PS goats. Gretzky (yeah he played in '99 so exactly 20 seasons ago)

Jack?

Sampras was thought to have set a major mark that might not get beat but was he ever really considered the goat?

[stickner]

Spieth crapped the bed.

 

Jordan Speithed all over himself.

[Shilgy]

I don't know. I just can't understand why golf would be the one area of human endeavor in which transcendent achievements are not capable of being surpassed. In science, art, technology, sports, etc. humans constantly push the envelope and expand the realm of what is considered possible. Why would golf be any different?

Because the talent gets better "collectively"? Makes it harder to excel. Having more great players makes it more difficult for a single player to stand out as a historical best.

[stickner]

I predict a 700% increase in Tiger specific threads in WRX Tour Talk that are slight variations of each other.

 

I love these comments... Like him, love him or hate him we will never see a 14 time major champion in our life time. Appreciate what we have been fortunate to see over the last 20 years. he almost pulled this Open Championship off.

 

People said the same thing about Jordan. Then along came Lebron. They said the same thing about Sampras. Then along came Federer. They said the same thing about Montana. Then along came Brady. They said the same thing about Kasparov. Then along came Magnus Karlsson. They said the same thing about Nicklaus. Then along came Tiger. There's ALWAYS another transcendent player on the horizon. And he'll be here in your lifetime.

 

Nobody will break Gretzky’s point record. Ever. The game has changed too much.

 

Golf has changed a lot as well. Overall strength of field is so much better than it has ever been. That will make it harder for someone to dominate at the same level of mega-stars of the past.

[Naptime]

In team sports, somebody's gotta catch that ball, dish the assist, block etc. Individual position greatness in a team sport is like being the long drive champion or the club putting champ.

[Naptime]

I think he'll be playing in the Ryder Cup after this performance.

[hell_is_chrome]

Did he choke?

 

He didn’t choke, but he didn’t exactly seize the day like the Tiger of old.

 

He did on the front 9.

[hell_is_chrome]

I don't know. I just can't understand why golf would be the one area of human endeavor in which transcendent achievements are not capable of being surpassed. In science, art, technology, sports, etc. humans constantly push the envelope and expand the realm of what is considered possible. Why would golf be any different?

Because the talent gets better "collectively"? Makes it harder to excel. Having more great players makes it more difficult for a single player to stand out as a historical best.

 

People said the same stuff in the 80's and 90's, until around 1997.

[redfirebird08]

I think he'll be playing in the Ryder Cup after this performance.

 

Needs to play well the rest of the year (WGC/PGA/FedEx). If he can rack up a bunch of Top 5 or 10 finishes in those events, Furyk will give pretty serious consideration to picking him. But they already have him as an assistant captain on the team, so it might be smarter to pick another player if someone else is really hot on the golf course.

[BlackM00Nlight]

I think Tiger plays if he can keep it up with top finishes at Firestone and the PGA.

[crazyray]

Just checking in to see how all the “Tiger is done” guys are doing

 

 

[BlackM00Nlight]

Just checking in to see how all the “Tiger is done” guys are doing

 

They’re too busy eating that crow

[Walter]

Tiger in this year Ryder Cup ( playing ) with the young guns Would make a Nice moment and memories for him and for them I think .. and the Tiger of today can certainly Win matches ( Maybe even more than he used to in his prime , seems more relaxed / people / team orientated ..) imo

[tbowles411]

Did he choke?

 

He didn’t choke, but he didn’t exactly seize the day like the Tiger of old.

True statement. He made it exciting. It's a matter of time before he gets one.

[jdl]

I think he'll be playing in the Ryder Cup after this performance.

 

Needs to play well the rest of the year (WGC/PGA/FedEx). If he can rack up a bunch of Top 5 or 10 finishes in those events, Furyk will give pretty serious consideration to picking him. But they already have him as an assistant captain on the team, so it might be smarter to pick another player if someone else is really hot on the golf course.

 

If he's healthy, he's on the team. And not as a vice-captain.

[Darth Putter]

Just checking in to see how all the "Tiger is done" guys are doing

 

I almost miss the t-shirt picture with a fork on the front of it.

 

Almost

[tbowles411]

Just checking in to see how all the "Tiger is done" guys are doing

 

I almost miss the t-shirt picture with a fork on the front of it.

 

Almost

They really don't come around much anymore, though some make a hit and run post every now and then.

[Shilgy]

I don't know. I just can't understand why golf would be the one area of human endeavor in which transcendent achievements are not capable of being surpassed. In science, art, technology, sports, etc. humans constantly push the envelope and expand the realm of what is considered possible. Why would golf be any different?

Because the talent gets better "collectively"? Makes it harder to excel. Having more great players makes it more difficult for a single player to stand out as a historical best.

 

People said the same stuff in the 80's and 90's, until around 1997.

Yes they did. And I have quoted the Curtis Strange interview many times. But give it time. Tiger started almost 40 years after Jack. Jack about 40 years after Jones. By that measure the next will be a rookie about 2037.

[tbowles411]

I don't know. I just can't understand why golf would be the one area of human endeavor in which transcendent achievements are not capable of being surpassed. In science, art, technology, sports, etc. humans constantly push the envelope and expand the realm of what is considered possible. Why would golf be any different?

Because the talent gets better "collectively"? Makes it harder to excel. Having more great players makes it more difficult for a single player to stand out as a historical best.

 

People said the same stuff in the 80's and 90's, until around 1997.

Yes they did. And I have quoted the Curtis Strange interview many times. But give it time. Tiger started almost 40 years after Jack. Jack about 40 years after Jones. By that measure the next will be a rookie about 2037.

Yup. One a generation. My kid and his kids will get to see him. Heck, I hope I do too! :)