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There isn't another Tiger on tour or in college right now. Tiger blew away AJGA, high school and college players. He was dominating as a toddler and never knew any other way. He asserted himself right away at every level, there isn't anyone that has done that since. A guy isn't just going to find a game like that on tour or in college golf, you don't grow into or become that type of player, you just are. No one you named or have heard of has that in them. Players get hot and win in bunches but the sustained domination isn't present in any of the players that we already know.

 

Ya, the guys on tour knew somethin big was coming...

 

 

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"You should know," Billy continued. "That's Tiger Woods. He's the Next One."

 

I did know the name. A phenom from California. In fact, his father, Earl, was already on IMG's payroll as a "junior talent scout."

 

I hadn't paid that much attention. My focus was on the players who were on the tour at that moment, and I tended to be skeptical about Next Ones. I still remember Brent Musburger comparing Jeff Lebo to Jerry West when Lebo was a freshman basketball player at North Carolina. I had seen what being the Next One in tennis had done to Jennifer Capriati, and I remember reading a Rick Reilly piece in Sports Illustrated years earlier on how Love and Fred Couples were the Next Ones in golf.

 

"I thought you and Fred were the Next Ones," I said to Love.

 

"Not like this kid," Love said.

 

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There isn't another Tiger on tour or in college right now. Tiger blew away AJGA, high school and college players. He was dominating as a toddler and never knew any other way. He asserted himself right away at every level, there isn't anyone that has done that since. A guy isn't just going to find a game like that on tour or in college golf, you don't grow into or become that type of player, you just are. No one you named or have heard of has that in them. Players get hot and win in bunches but the sustained domination isn't present in any of the players that we already know.

 

I'm not so sure. Nobody watching Tom Watson as a junior & college player could have predicted the career he would have.

 

I'm a big Tom Watson fan, but he wasn't dominant in his career. He had an elite career, but he didn't dominate the tour like TW and Jack did.

 

Nobody is as dominant as Jack or Tiger, but we can't even get to Tom Watson dominant. And he was dominant.

 

He won the PGA Tour money title and POY four years in a row, only Tiger's done that since.

His 6 POY overall from 1977-1984 tops even Jack's total, only Tiger is ahead of him.

7 majors in 7 years, I remain hopeful we can get someone new to 7 total in their career.

He won three PGA Tour tournaments six years in a row, only Arnold Palmer's seven tops that streak. Since 1983, only Tiger, Vijay and DJ a couple weeks ago have got that streak to three years.

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I cannot understand how you think Justin Thomas comes from an Elitist background just because his Father and Grand Father are both golf professionals . He still had to learn to swing the club and shoot the scores and a lot of kids who are in that position revolt and will not touch a golf club .

JT to me seems a nice young man who behaves graciously and is a good advert for the game of golf, he has worked hard to get where he has got too and good luck to him .

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For me it is anyone. I love when there is an all timer that everyone is chasing. That player has the most fans and the most that hate him. It makes for great drama. It is why the Yankees prompt emotion from about every baseball fan. It is why every Tiger thread goes on for pages. It is great for the game.

 

I don't think that player is out there but I would love to see any of them become that and I can choose to root for or against that individual.

 

It brings the spice.

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For me it is anyone. I love when there is an all timer that everyone is chasing. That player has the most fans and the most that hate him. It makes for great drama. It is why the Yankees prompt emotion from about every baseball fan. It is why every Tiger thread goes on for pages. It is great for the game.

 

I don't think that player is out there but I would love to see any of them become that and I can choose to root for or against that individual.

 

It brings the spice.

 

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I cannot understand how you think Justin Thomas comes from an Elitist background just because his Father and Grand Father are both golf professionals . He still had to learn to swing the club and shoot the scores and a lot of kids who are in that position revolt and will not touch a golf club .

JT to me seems a nice young man who behaves graciously and is a good advert for the game of golf, he has worked hard to get where he has got too and good luck to him .

 

I did not say he came from an elitist background. That's a terrible interpretation of what I said. You're attaching the idea of being elitist. I did not say that.

 

What I said was that he comes from an established golfing bloodline which is 100% accurate.

 

To deny that growing up in that environment won't increase the probability that you'll be a player yourself is foolish. That's obviously a huge influence.

 

If you read my post further you'd see I defended JT saying it's not a knock on him but a commentary on why golf can so often be seen by outsiders as a "closed society."

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Spieth... he plays the most "normal" game of anybody on tour... regular golfers can relate to him...

 

Plus I love seeing the haters cry when he's in contention

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I’d love to see Adam Scott start knocking in putts again. The rest of his game is pure.

 

 

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Justin Thomas. Absolutely love watching him hit driver, and he’s added so much guile to his game in recent years. Great attitude and temperament too.

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There isn't another Tiger on tour or in college right now. Tiger blew away AJGA, high school and college players. He was dominating as a toddler and never knew any other way. He asserted himself right away at every level, there isn't anyone that has done that since. A guy isn't just going to find a game like that on tour or in college golf, you don't grow into or become that type of player, you just are. No one you named or have heard of has that in them. Players get hot and win in bunches but the sustained domination isn't present in any of the players that we already know.

 

Ya, the guys on tour knew somethin big was coming...

 

 

"The first time I laid eyes on Tiger Woods was in March 1994 at Bay Hill for Arnold Palmer's tournament. I was standing on the range on Wednesday afternoon, talking to Peter Jacobsen, Davis Love III and Billy Andrade. Billy pointed down the range at a skinny kid hitting balls. "You know who that is?" he said.

 

"You should know," Billy continued. "That's Tiger Woods. He's the Next One."

 

I did know the name. A phenom from California. In fact, his father, Earl, was already on IMG's payroll as a "junior talent scout."

 

I hadn't paid that much attention. My focus was on the players who were on the tour at that moment, and I tended to be skeptical about Next Ones. I still remember Brent Musburger comparing Jeff Lebo to Jerry West when Lebo was a freshman basketball player at North Carolina. I had seen what being the Next One in tennis had done to Jennifer Capriati, and I remember reading a Rick Reilly piece in Sports Illustrated years earlier on how Love and Fred Couples were the Next Ones in golf.

 

"I thought you and Fred were the Next Ones," I said to Love.

 

"Not like this kid," Love said.

 

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f*** Feinstein though. In that article he makes himself sound like god himself.

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I know only one person can dominate, but there's a few I'd love to see do a Tiger/Jack and win everything year after year:

 

Fleetwood - Pure ball striking, fantastic putter and a really nice guy to boot. Also clearly deserves to dominate for his choice of irons, and for being from near Liverpool and not spending his weekends singing nonsense about never walking alone :)

 

Knox/Laird - or any Scottish player really. I mean we invented this game, live and breathe it, but our talent pool seems to be drying up. I can cope with us being rubbish at most other sports, but can we no at least sort golf out?

 

Stenson - winners interviews would be so much funnier, and I like the idea of someone dominating the world with a 3 Wood.

 

Hideki - taking over the world after a brief pause.

 

Tiger (again) - now that would be a story. Possibly less dull this time round as he seems to have figured out this having a laugh thing.

 

Oh, and anyone who doesn't spend 2 hours a day in the gym, and mostly runs on beer and cheeseburgers / bacon sandwiches.

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Somewhere in between Rory's fall down the leaderboard on Sunday, Jason Day smashing it into the galleries and Justin Thomas being slightly less fidgety than normal I started thinking about how I've become a bitter, cynic with a lot of these new players. I don’t find myself rooting for any of them.

 

Looking back to the heyday of Tiger, he just seemed to tick every box. He could pound the ball. His iron play was elite. His short game was impeccable. His putting was first class. He carried himself like a total pro (at least before he started cursing and club-throwing). He showed up to tournaments in form. He never made comments suggesting that his heart wasn't in it or that he was okay with losing.

 

By comparison, I just find it tough to "like" a lot of modern players. They just let you down. Either they are 1-dimensional players who dominate with pure power or they rely on a hot putter to win or they just don’t have a likable personality. This is what worries me. There doesn’t seem to be anyone out there who sells the game the way Tiger did. The game has to sell the current crop of players.

 

It's not that I hate them. It's just that I don't find there to be any particular reason to root for any of them. I like Rory when he's pounding it but his long game is runs so hot and cold. And with his balky putter, you just can’t view him as a complete player. He’s a power player that wins on soft courses. That’s it. Moreover, his statements suggest he's no longer as driven to win as he was 5 years ago. That’s a bad sign.

 

I find Speith to be less likable for whatever reason. Whereas Rory is honest to a fault, Jordan’s personality sure comes off as phony. Digging into his game, he's a slow player which is a capital sin. But he's also the guy who started the whole "we" thing which is another huge turn-off in competitive sports (for me). Sports is about competition. It’s not supposed to be easy. If you can't handle the pressure, just say so. Saying "we" as a means of deflecting that pressure onto "the team" is...well...kind of lame for a professional athlete IMHO. It defeats the purpose. Worse yet, it reminds you that these guys have a network of assistants helping make their life easier. The guy clearly has heart but for some reason I just kind of loathe the young Jordan Speith. I think he's also very over-marketed. Too many Golf Digest covers, I guess. He’s not a natural star to me. Seeing him marketed as such…I just don’t buy it.

 

Fowler seems like a very cool, down-to-earth guy which makes it a shame he can't avoid the big numbers and win more tournaments.

 

Rahm is petulant. He's even worse than Sergio used to be. I don’t want to see him televised, let alone having success.

 

Bubba is fun to watch on occasion but certainly not someone I want to hear from more than twice a year.

 

Thomas is obviously an unbelievable player. He has my vote for being the world’s best. I think he's the class of the tour right now. He’s a complete player with no glaring weaknesses which is great to see. It really gives you the sense he "deserves it" when he does get a win. I just wish he looked more at home in the moment. While Tiger always looked calm and collected, I feel like Thomas is probably a bundle of nerves about to throw-up. It's kind of hard to watch. What bothers me more though is how he comes from a rather "elite" golfing bloodline. He had every advantage growing up. There's a real sense that he should be achieving what he's achieving. I don't hold that against him, it's just that what he represents is kind of the very thing that makes golf appear as a "closed society" to folks on the outside. Again, nothing against Thomas. He can't choose his family. It's just easier to root for someone who's a relative underdog.

 

That said, I don’t want someone who’s numb. Guys like DJ and Brooks don’t strike me as being all that deep. As someone suggested, they are the modern golfer: they're long, athletic and numb enough not to pick up on the gravity of what they’re doing.

 

Jason Day is (I guess) the default answer to me but again, I have no real reason to like him. He’s just not doing anything to make me dislike him. He’s long. His game is good all around. There’s emotion there when he plays, but not too much. He’s demeanor makes him good to watch. And his background is definitely not what you'd think. He clearly got to where he's at through hard work.

 

 

IDK, what do you guys think?

 

Its pretty simple, you want to see a generational player. problem is they come once a generation. In the meantime enjoy the great golf being played by superstar future hall of famers that could and should never be compared to Jack or Tiger as its completely unfair. Decide if youre a tiger only fan or golf fan. the latter is easier because you can objectively criticize and compliment different aspects of alot of players. theyre more human because they blow 54 hole leads, miss must make 72nd hole 8 footers. not because theyre trash but simply because theyre not on the same level consistently like the 2 top dogs of the last 50 years were. You can never take the stuff you saw and the #s they produced for granted.Theyre video game #s,almost fake. these guys show flashes some for weeks months or a whole season but eventually cant maintain that level. Nothing is decided anymore.Collapses happen more often, more playoffs and so on. its all perspective.Some call it parity but its a very high level of golf.Lots of fans were spoiled during tigers prime. When YAng took him down in 2009 half my club left the clubhouse to play that sunday because they figured it was over. thats how spoiled tiger made people with 54 hole leads. now it more wide open.

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I wish Brandel Chamblee just dominated for a good solid year just so we can have all the critics of him bite their tongues a bit a give him some praise. Now that would be worth watching.

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Oh, and anyone who doesn't spend 2 hours a day in the gym, and mostly runs on beer and cheeseburgers / bacon sandwiches.

 

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The only reason(as a fan) to want parity in sports is because your favourite team/player wasn’t/isn’t the one doing the dominating. As a Tiger Woods and Montreal Canadiens fan, parity Sucks, I want to see someone destroy they rest of the field for years and re-write the record books. I bet NE Patriots fans aren’t asking for more parity in the NFL, Or Lebron James Fans in the NBA, they want their team/players to dominate and break records.

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Jack burst on the scene in 1961

Tiger burst on the scene in 1997

The next Jack/Tiger will arrive in 2033

 

This is sad but true....they are more special than once in a generation players...

 

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Spieth. 2015 -16 easily best golf I watched since prime tiger. Rory close second. But just missing the wins on tough greens. He needs soft and slow .

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There isn't another Tiger on tour or in college right now. Tiger blew away AJGA, high school and college players. He was dominating as a toddler and never knew any other way. He asserted himself right away at every level, there isn't anyone that has done that since. A guy isn't just going to find a game like that on tour or in college golf, you don't grow into or become that type of player, you just are. No one you named or have heard of has that in them. Players get hot and win in bunches but the sustained domination isn't present in any of the players that we already know.

 

Ya, the guys on tour knew somethin big was coming...

 

 

"The first time I laid eyes on Tiger Woods was in March 1994 at Bay Hill for Arnold Palmer's tournament. I was standing on the range on Wednesday afternoon, talking to Peter Jacobsen, Davis Love III and Billy Andrade. Billy pointed down the range at a skinny kid hitting balls. "You know who that is?" he said.

 

"You should know," Billy continued. "That's Tiger Woods. He's the Next One."

 

I did know the name. A phenom from California. In fact, his father, Earl, was already on IMG's payroll as a "junior talent scout."

 

I hadn't paid that much attention. My focus was on the players who were on the tour at that moment, and I tended to be skeptical about Next Ones. I still remember Brent Musburger comparing Jeff Lebo to Jerry West when Lebo was a freshman basketball player at North Carolina. I had seen what being the Next One in tennis had done to Jennifer Capriati, and I remember reading a Rick Reilly piece in Sports Illustrated years earlier on how Love and Fred Couples were the Next Ones in golf.

 

"I thought you and Fred were the Next Ones," I said to Love.

 

"Not like this kid," Love said.

 

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f*** Feinstein though. In that article he makes himself sound like god himself.

 

Feinstein is a knob. A small one.

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The only reason(as a fan) to want parity in sports is because your favourite team/player wasn't/isn't the one doing the dominating. As a Tiger Woods and Montreal Canadiens fan, parity Sucks, I want to see someone destroy they rest of the field for years and re-write the record books. I bet NE Patriots fans aren't asking for more parity in the NFL, Or Lebron James Fans in the NBA, they want their team/players to dominate and break records.

 

This echoes a point I firmly believe. Parity is not good for professional sports. It causes the casual fan to lose interest which leads to lower ratings, smaller attendance, and less equipment sales and rounds played. This shrinks the pie and as a result the sport contracts. For an already niche sport like golf any contraction is never a good thing. Folks need that dominant player to root for or against. Among pro football fans there is a visceral love or hate for the Patriots now just as there used to be for the Cowboys. In pro baseball that team that drives the fan passion is the Yankees. In the NBA it's the Warriors. In college football it's Alabama.

 

In golf Jordan Spieth is a polarizing figure. I have no idea why because he's pretty vanilla but whatever. The point is within our little community he drives a lot of passion and interest for and against him. Professional golf needs that kind of player writ large. Tiger has filled that role for 20 years now but contrary to the beliefs of some Wrx'ers he's not immortal. We need that next dominant guy to come along within the next 15 years or so. I don't see any pro in the current landscape who can maintain dominance.

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The only reason(as a fan) to want parity in sports is because your favourite team/player wasn’t/isn’t the one doing the dominating. As a Tiger Woods and Montreal Canadiens fan, parity Sucks, I want to see someone destroy they rest of the field for years and re-write the record books. I bet NE Patriots fans aren’t asking for more parity in the NFL, Or Lebron James Fans in the NBA, they want their team/players to dominate and break records.

 

TW aint the Pats.

 

No, no.

 

TW 1.0 more rip out your throat like,

 

 

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      WITB Albums
       
      Rory McIlroy - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Sepp Straka - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Patrick Rodgers - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Brendon Todd - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Denny McCarthy - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Corey Conners - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Chase Johnson - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Tiger Woods - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Tommy Fleetwood - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Matt Fitzpatrick - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Si Woo Kim - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Viktor Hovland - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Wyndham Clark - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Cam Davis - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Nick Taylor - WITB - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Ben Baller WITB update (New putter, driver, hybrid and shafts) – 2024 Genesis Invitational
       
       
       
       
       
      Pullout Albums
       
      New Vortex Golf rangefinder - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      New Fujikura Ventus shaft - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Tiger Woods & TaylorMade "Sun Day Red" apparel launch event, product photos – 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Tiger Woods Sun Day Red golf shoes - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Aretera shafts - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      New Toulon putters - 2024 Genesis Invitational
      Tiger Woods' new white "Sun Day Red" golf shoe prototypes – 2024 Genesis Invitational
       
       
       
       
       
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    • 2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open - Discussion and Links to Photos
      Please put and questions or comments here
       
       
       
       
      General Albums
       
      2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open - Monday #1
      2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open - Monday #2
       
       
       
       
      WITB Albums
       
      Ben Taylor - WITB - 2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open
      Garrick Higgo - WITB - 2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open
      Billy Horschel - WITB - 2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open
      Justin Lower - WITB - 2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open
      Lanto Griffin - WITB - 2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open
      Bud Cauley - WITB - 2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open
      Corbin Burnes (2021 NL Cy Young) - WITB - 2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open
      Greyson Sigg - WITB - 2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open
      Charley Hoffman - WITB - 2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open
      Nico Echavarria - WITB - 2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open
      Victor Perez - WITB - 2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open
      Sami Valimaki - WITB - 2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open
      Ryo Hisatsune - WITB - 2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open
       
       
       
       
       
       
      Pullout Albums
       
      Jake Knapp's custom Cameron putters - 2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open
      New Cameron putters - 2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open
      Tyler Duncan's custom Cameron putter - 2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open
      Greyson Sigg's custom Cameron putters - 2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open
      Sunjae Im's custom Cameron putter - 2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open
      Ping's Waste Management putter covers - 2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open
      Vincent Whaley's custom Cameron - 2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open
      Odyssey Waste Management putter covers - 2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open
      Super Stroke custom grips - 2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open
      Cameron putters - 2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open
      Zac Blair's custom Cameron putter - 2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open
      Bettinardi Waste Management putter covers - 2024 Waste Management Phoenix Open
       
       
       
       
       
       

       
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