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Tensei Pro Orange 70TX is the most anti-left shaft on the market. Everyone is correct that swing path and arms being out of sync can make any shaft hook, including the Pro Orange. But since I started playing the Pro Orange in the spring, my left miss has gone from a quick hook to more of a low pull. I doubt I will ever change to another shaft. I also don't swing nearly as hard as you do--107-108mph. FYI- I also play mine at 44.25".

Just curious, any tipping? Did you add weight to the head after shortening? I had mine built to play 45.5", tipped 1/2" so I could hack it down from whichever end I needed after giving it a go. I'm planning on shortening it at least 1/2-3/4" so I'll need to add some more weight to the head to maintain SW which of course means the tip will play softer. I like the way it plays now so I'm thinking about a 1/4-3/8" a side vs butt trimming the full amount

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Tensei Pro Orange 70TX is the most anti-left shaft on the market. Everyone is correct that swing path and arms being out of sync can make any shaft hook, including the Pro Orange. But since I started playing the Pro Orange in the spring, my left miss has gone from a quick hook to more of a low pull. I doubt I will ever change to another shaft. I also don't swing nearly as hard as you do--107-108mph. FYI- I also play mine at 44.25".

Just curious, any tipping? Did you add weight to the head after shortening? I had mine built to play 45.5", tipped 1/2" so I could hack it down from whichever end I needed after giving it a go. I'm planning on shortening it at least 1/2-3/4" so I'll need to add some more weight to the head to maintain SW which of course means the tip will play softer. I like the way it plays now so I'm thinking about a 1/4-3/8" a side vs butt trimming the full amount

 

Tipped 1/2" and I added 6-7 grams of lead tape to the bottom. It's coming in right around D0.

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To stop going left....

 

Swing - less hands, feel like your trail arm is coming under the lead arm through impact. Face slightly open at address. Play with ball position and tee height.

 

Equipment - Anything that keeps the hands/wrists more quiet. Heavier shaft, bigger grip, increase swingweight, etc....

 

That's my experience anyways.

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By no means is my SS near yours at a skimpy 107, but I have a quick/violent transition, and have struggled with going left off the tee for a while. As a low launch, high spin player, I never understood how guys hit fading, low spin bombs. Then I got my hands on an AD IZ 7x Graphite Design shaft. I can swing it as hard as I want, and it wouldn't go left, high launch, low spin cuts that go farther than the draws I used to hit. It's the only driver shaft I have ever had that completely altered my flight. Good luck in your search.

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If you go to the site which cannot be linked, they have a test of low spin shafts and a large data set. If memory serves me correctly, the black tie was the shaft with the most right side bias.

 

Don't argue with me about shafts/techniques and your own anectodal experience, I'm just throwing the data out there and take it for what it's worth.

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Any drills for a closed face at impact? That might be my issue. I’m not sure but that left miss of the tee is what’s keeping me from single digits and it’s

Worth a shot.

 

Flying wedge drill. I'm sure it's on youtube. Helps train the wrists to extend out to target. Should help you keep the face more square rather than over rotating wrists and closing down the face.

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Hey guys, I know there probably isn't a thing but I need a shaft I can swing as hard as I want with and my miss to not be left. I feel like my shaft has too much play. I swing around 120MPH. Looking for a mid ball flight. I just feel like I cant give it everything or I lose it left. ANy suggestions?

 

You may need both swing and shaft changes. However, the above bolded sentences tell me that you have no confidence in the shaft because of the feel. I am the same way only with a bit slower SS (105). Some of the mid/high launch shafts I have been happy with are:

 

Aldila ATX Tour Blue 75 TX

Aldila Copperhead 70 TX (current)

Matrix Speed Rul-Z A Type 70 TX

Oban Kyoshi White 70 X

 

I would grab one of these and a proper adapter and see what the results are. It may take care of it or you may need to adjust your swing too.

 

BT

 

Mizuno ST180 10.5 - Diamana Kai'Li 70 S @ 44.5"
Mizuno JPX 850 3w 14.5 - Diamana Kai'Li 80 S @ 43"
Mizuno JPX 850 7w 19.5 - Diamana Kai'Li 80 S @ 41.5"
Mizuno MP5 4-PW - Aldila RIP Tour 115 R
Mizuno MP-T5 52, 56 & 60 - TT Wedge
Grips - Grip Master Master Perforated Midsize

 

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This is great. It very well could be a swing issue but I struggled with left forever until I got fit and the tour v iron shafts and the tensei pro white wood shaft stopped the left. Even on swings that would have gone left in the past stopped. No swing change. What I am saying is there is hope to take the easy way out. I did.
None of the fitting places in my area carry anything other than stock shafts and X are so few and far between.
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Whatever the long dudes on PGA tour are swinging

 

But pretty sure it's more of swing issue than shaft

 

I dont swing as fast as you do but have serious hooking problems at times

 

It's mostly my sequence and I have really " HAPPY WRISTS"!!!......I get really flippy...while it creates speed it kills accuracy

 

on the tee box I say I wonder if my right hand is awake yet, lol...if it is i know ball going left

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Perhaps I'm misinformed, but everyone seems to be talking about "tip stiff" being anti-left, however it's been my understanding that torque is the key number when looking at how the face closes on a particular shaft.

 

When I think tip stiff, I think in-plane bend point which has more impact on launch angle and spin.

 

When I think about someone who wants an "anti-left" shaft, I think more about dialing in the torque / torsion.

 

The Pro Orange 80 TX is 2.6 deg of torque versus the Speeder 565 S at 4.6 (which is kinda crazy high).

 

Even something like the Aldila Rogue Black 60 R FLEX only has 4 deg torque.

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565 is a junk shaft.

 

Go with a Tensei White or Orange Pro if you can afford it. If not, goneith the standard white in a 75 or 80 gram shaft.

 

I aim down the left side all day with no fear and now play a power fade.

 

In all honesty Im still playing my stiff from last year. Speeder 565. Started swinging a bit faster. My miss is where Im aimed and a large overdraw. Not a pull hook.

 

Ideally I would play a consistent fade lol

 

It works for Tiger lol

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Perhaps I'm misinformed, but everyone seems to be talking about "tip stiff" being anti-left, however it's been my understanding that torque is the key number when looking at how the face closes on a particular shaft.

 

When I think tip stiff, I think in-plane bend point which has more impact on launch angle and spin.

 

When I think about someone who wants an "anti-left" shaft, I think more about dialing in the torque / torsion.

 

The Pro Orange 80 TX is 2.6 deg of torque versus the Speeder 565 S at 4.6 (which is kinda crazy high).

 

Even something like the Aldila Rogue Black 60 R FLEX only has 4 deg torque.

 

Torque is only realized at impact and is a component of feel, not face closure. When people are referring to stiffer tipped shafts as being anti-left it is because when loaded, the forward shaft deflection when approaching impact creates a small amount of face closure. The stiffer the lower section of the shaft, the less it deflects forward and the less loft and face closure it introduces. Softer shafts obviously then have the potential to deflect more and introduce more loft and face closure. There is definitely a timing component as well with a shaft that has a pronounced load and unload "kick" being easier for many to use as a timing device to turn over whereas a more rigid bend profile being easy to "hang on" with and keep from turning over.

 

The Tiger example that was jokingly mentioned is actually pretty accurate I think. He seems to be heavily favoring a left to right shape right now and he uses one of the stiffest tipped shafts around, same shaft and shot shape for Justin Rose. Then you see guys like Sergio, Rory, JT all using shafts that are a little more neutral in that regard as they prefer to work the ball both ways. I think this is why Rory went back to the KK XT shaft as the Tensei PO might have been too much work to turn over.

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Perhaps I'm misinformed, but everyone seems to be talking about "tip stiff" being anti-left, however it's been my understanding that torque is the key number when looking at how the face closes on a particular shaft.

 

When I think tip stiff, I think in-plane bend point which has more impact on launch angle and spin.

 

When I think about someone who wants an "anti-left" shaft, I think more about dialing in the torque / torsion.

 

The Pro Orange 80 TX is 2.6 deg of torque versus the Speeder 565 S at 4.6 (which is kinda crazy high).

 

Even something like the Aldila Rogue Black 60 R FLEX only has 4 deg torque.

 

It's because the way the shaft bends, launch angle and face angle are linked. When the tip bends/releases forward, it adds loft and the face releases more to the left. When the tip is resistant to releasing, it launches low right.

 

Edit: from a right handed perspective.

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Perhaps I'm misinformed, but everyone seems to be talking about "tip stiff" being anti-left, however it's been my understanding that torque is the key number when looking at how the face closes on a particular shaft.

 

When I think tip stiff, I think in-plane bend point which has more impact on launch angle and spin.

 

When I think about someone who wants an "anti-left" shaft, I think more about dialing in the torque / torsion.

 

The Pro Orange 80 TX is 2.6 deg of torque versus the Speeder 565 S at 4.6 (which is kinda crazy high).

 

Even something like the Aldila Rogue Black 60 R FLEX only has 4 deg torque.

 

It's because the way the shaft bends, launch angle and face angle are linked. When the tip bends/releases forward, it adds loft and the face releases more to the left. When the tip is resistant to releasing, it launches low right.

 

Edit: from a right handed perspective.

 

Small correction. The shaft will always be bending forward at impact, it will never be bending backwards. It just bends a bit more for the softer tip shafts.

 

But it will never bend so much to cause the big hook folks in this thread are trying to avoid. That's all about how the change in feel from a softer vs firmer shaft effects their actual swing and release. And that's why many say it's not really the shaft has the real left/right bias, it all really comes from the player.

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Perhaps I'm misinformed, but everyone seems to be talking about "tip stiff" being anti-left, however it's been my understanding that torque is the key number when looking at how the face closes on a particular shaft.

 

When I think tip stiff, I think in-plane bend point which has more impact on launch angle and spin.

 

When I think about someone who wants an "anti-left" shaft, I think more about dialing in the torque / torsion.

 

The Pro Orange 80 TX is 2.6 deg of torque versus the Speeder 565 S at 4.6 (which is kinda crazy high).

 

Even something like the Aldila Rogue Black 60 R FLEX only has 4 deg torque.

 

It's because the way the shaft bends, launch angle and face angle are linked. When the tip bends/releases forward, it adds loft and the face releases more to the left. When the tip is resistant to releasing, it launches low right.

 

Edit: from a right handed perspective.

 

Small correction. The shaft will always be bending forward at impact, it will never be bending backwards. It just bends a bit more for the softer tip shafts.

 

But it will never bend so much to cause the big hook folks in this thread are trying to avoid. That's all about how the change in feel from a softer vs firmer shaft effects their actual swing and release. And that's why many say it's not really the shaft has the real left/right bias, it all really comes from the player.

 

Isn't that what I said, "resistant to releasing" doesn't mean bent backwards. I guess "lower and more to right" would be more accurate to say.

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Probably. There are so many misconceptions out there that it's easy to give someone the wrong idea even if what you meant was perfectly correct. e.g. "resistant to releasing" isn't really very specific to what it means (timing vs magnitude vs direction). And it is easy to infer bent back from "low right". Personally, I prefer "less left and less added loft" to make it a bit more clear that the shaft can only add dynamic loft and closure.

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