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Anyone else having trouble with swing weight? I custom ordered to 44.5” and with 70g shafts I am at D0 with a couple strips of lead tape. Are the stocks heads just super light? I don’t have this problem with my M4. I also tried to take the weight out and had no luck. Any tips?

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> @Howie said: > For those with the M5 driver...what are your weight settings and what factors influenced the decision to position them as you have?   I have one all the way forward one all th

> @boggyman said: > Hit the 5 and 6 fairways couple days ago. Been on the fence. Like the sound and feel of golfball when it leave face of 5 but like the shape of the 6 better at address behin

Those that have either hit the M6 and or currently play the M6, did you previously play Callaway Rogue and if so, how are the feel and sound differences? Im right on the fence of switching this year and would love to hear any of you guys' feedback...Gracias!!

 

I played the Rogue last year and was assuming I’d prefer the M6... at the fitting I was surprised to find the M5 was better for me. Played my first round with it yesterday and it’s phenomenal!

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So each driver head is at 257ct?

 

That's what the marketing says. They said every head is a "unicorn"

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I’ve seen some in the low 240s. Really makes a very minute difference but certainly goes against the marketing.

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So each driver head is at 257ct?

 

I'm not sure if the USGA would even allow all heads to be right at 257ct, based on this post by Tom Wishon in late 2015.

 

http://www.golfwrx.com/forums/topic/1241826-ct-scores-on-tour-issue-heads-and-clubs/#entry12379114

 

Lots of good info in that post, but a few interesting quotes from it:

 

The reason that there is a designation for 239 vs 257 in CT measurements is because the USGA wants club companies to design their high COR clubheads so that the design specs point to a 239 CT when every spec in the production of the head model is achieved perfectly. They do not want companies to design their faces so that the CT would be 257 if all specs are hit perfectly.

 

In fact, when you send high COR models into the USGA for conformity testing, if the driver/wood is found to have a CT over 239 but less than 257, it is ruled provisionally conforming - which means the USGA is warning the company to watch their specs on the heads or to dial down the face specs so as to avoid the possibility of heads coming off the line over the CT/COR limit when the +/- tolerances affecting the CT/COR come into play. If your test samples are at 239 or lower for the USGA CT test, then you get a fully conforming, no warning, letter from the USGA.

 

Now it will be true that when it comes to the tour players' drivers and high COR clubs, the companies will perform repeated CT measurements to be 100% sure that no club they give a tour player would be over the 257CT limit. Most will not even get that close to 257 with their tour players' clubs and will keep their clubheads not higher than 250 CT. Reason is because whoever is putting on the tournament in which the pros are playing, whether that be the USGA, PGA Tour or whoever, does have the right to perform their own CT testing at the tournament - should there be any suspicion that a player might be using a club with a CT over the limit.

 

So it looks like, if this hasn't been updated by the USGA to accommodate TaylorMade's new manufacturing process, that the USGA wants the clubs to be closer to 239 than 257 to qualify as "fully conforming". Especially if they (manufacturer) won't even typically issue heads to Tour players that cross 250 CT, as the last quote states.

 

ADDED: The way that I read all of that suggests that 239 is the mark the USGA wants clubs at (or below), but there's some headroom if a few come in slightly over. So anything above 239 (again, my opinion) would be a "spicy" or "hot" (but still legal) head...looks like this is traditionally what Tour pros were given...all the heads above 239. TaylorMade's process is probably just insuring that all heads are at least 239.

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Anyone else having trouble with swing weight? I custom ordered to 44.5” and with 70g shafts I am at D0 with a couple strips of lead tape. Are the stocks heads just super light? I don’t have this problem with my M4. I also tried to take the weight out and had no luck. Any tips?

 

That is like 1 1/4” short of standard. So yah it willl swingweight really light. Not really a fan of how they won’t adjust the swingweight for you on a custom order. With the price of drivers these days they would do anything you want.

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So each driver head is at 257ct?

 

I'm not sure if the USGA would even allow all heads to be right at 257ct, based on this post by Tom Wishon in late 2015.

 

http://www.golfwrx.com/forums/topic/1241826-ct-scores-on-tour-issue-heads-and-clubs/#entry12379114

 

Lots of good info in that post, but a few interesting quotes from it:

 

The reason that there is a designation for 239 vs 257 in CT measurements is because the USGA wants club companies to design their high COR clubheads so that the design specs point to a 239 CT when every spec in the production of the head model is achieved perfectly. They do not want companies to design their faces so that the CT would be 257 if all specs are hit perfectly.

 

In fact, when you send high COR models into the USGA for conformity testing, if the driver/wood is found to have a CT over 239 but less than 257, it is ruled provisionally conforming - which means the USGA is warning the company to watch their specs on the heads or to dial down the face specs so as to avoid the possibility of heads coming off the line over the CT/COR limit when the +/- tolerances affecting the CT/COR come into play. If your test samples are at 239 or lower for the USGA CT test, then you get a fully conforming, no warning, letter from the USGA.

 

Now it will be true that when it comes to the tour players' drivers and high COR clubs, the companies will perform repeated CT measurements to be 100% sure that no club they give a tour player would be over the 257CT limit. Most will not even get that close to 257 with their tour players' clubs and will keep their clubheads not higher than 250 CT. Reason is because whoever is putting on the tournament in which the pros are playing, whether that be the USGA, PGA Tour or whoever, does have the right to perform their own CT testing at the tournament - should there be any suspicion that a player might be using a club with a CT over the limit.

 

So it looks like, if this hasn't been updated by the USGA to accommodate TaylorMade's new manufacturing process, that the USGA wants the clubs to be closer to 239 than 257 to qualify as "fully conforming". Especially if they (manufacturer) won't even typically issue heads to Tour players that cross 250 CT, as the last quote states.

 

ADDED: The way that I read all of that suggests that 239 is the mark the USGA wants clubs at (or below), but there's some headroom if a few come in slightly over. So anything above 239 (again, my opinion) would be a "spicy" or "hot" (but still legal) head...looks like this is traditionally what Tour pros were given...all the heads above 239. TaylorMade's process is probably just insuring that all heads are at least 239.

Distance gains is more about the golf ball changes than the club heads imo over the last several decades.
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Distance gains is more about the golf ball changes than the club heads imo over the last several decades.

 

I'm not disputing that at all. Just interpreting the CT value issue as best as I can. Looks like the USGA wants/wanted the test results to be 239 as much as possible, and I'd guess that with the +18 allowance (taking it up to a possible 257) that most heads produced are +/- 18 from that 239 mark..some over, some under. I think TaylorMade's process is trying to reduce/eliminate the ones that are under 239, since Mr. Wishon's quote from above indicates that USGA wants test results at 239 or less to receive a "fully conforming" status....get them all to 239 and you would achieve this, and be able to produce some "spicy" (over 239 heads) for your Tour staff.

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So each driver head is at 257ct?

 

That's what the marketing says. They said every head is a "unicorn"

 

See spec stickler.

 

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Yeah, it's the retail heads that are 257, tour heads cant be that hot or they would cave or crack....

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So each driver head is at 257ct?

 

That's what the marketing says. They said every head is a "unicorn"

 

See spec stickler.

 

https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F143115026951

Yeah, it's the retail heads that are 257, tour heads cant be that hot or they would cave or crack....

 

Hahahaha riiiiight

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Distance gains is more about the golf ball changes than the club heads imo over the last several decades.

 

I'm not disputing that at all. Just interpreting the CT value issue as best as I can. Looks like the USGA wants/wanted the test results to be 239 as much as possible, and I'd guess that with the +18 allowance (taking it up to a possible 257) that most heads produced are +/- 18 from that 239 mark..some over, some under. I think TaylorMade's process is trying to reduce/eliminate the ones that are under 239, since Mr. Wishon's quote from above indicates that USGA wants test results at 239 or less to receive a "fully conforming" status....get them all to 239 and you would achieve this, and be able to produce some "spicy" (over 239 heads) for your Tour staff.

 

But TM’s CEO promised we would all be getting “spicy”. In fact he used the term an uncomfortable number of times. ;-)

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Distance gains is more about the golf ball changes than the club heads imo over the last several decades.

 

I'm not disputing that at all. Just interpreting the CT value issue as best as I can. Looks like the USGA wants/wanted the test results to be 239 as much as possible, and I'd guess that with the +18 allowance (taking it up to a possible 257) that most heads produced are +/- 18 from that 239 mark..some over, some under. I think TaylorMade's process is trying to reduce/eliminate the ones that are under 239, since Mr. Wishon's quote from above indicates that USGA wants test results at 239 or less to receive a "fully conforming" status....get them all to 239 and you would achieve this, and be able to produce some "spicy" (over 239 heads) for your Tour staff.

 

But TM’s CEO promised we would all be getting “spicy”. In fact he used the term an uncomfortable number of times. ;-)

 

If heads are all coming at 239 or above, that would technically be "spicy" in my opinion, as that's in the upper limit range that the USGA allows (my interpretation based on reading Mr. Wishon's post).

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Distance gains is more about the golf ball changes than the club heads imo over the last several decades.

 

I'm not disputing that at all. Just interpreting the CT value issue as best as I can. Looks like the USGA wants/wanted the test results to be 239 as much as possible, and I'd guess that with the +18 allowance (taking it up to a possible 257) that most heads produced are +/- 18 from that 239 mark..some over, some under. I think TaylorMade's process is trying to reduce/eliminate the ones that are under 239, since Mr. Wishon's quote from above indicates that USGA wants test results at 239 or less to receive a "fully conforming" status....get them all to 239 and you would achieve this, and be able to produce some "spicy" (over 239 heads) for your Tour staff.

 

But TM’s CEO promised we would all be getting “spicy”. In fact he used the term an uncomfortable number of times. ;-)

 

If heads are all coming at 239 or above, that would technically be "spicy" in my opinion, as that's in the upper limit range that the USGA allows (my interpretation based on reading Mr. Wishon's post).

Sounds right. Taylormade injects, Cobra CNC mills to get the face thinner but in the end sounds like they are all in the tolerance allowed. sounds like the envelope is pushed about as far as it can go
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Does that mean that no drivers ever need to be purchased again?

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I have to say with the design of the M5 and M6 drivers, they look gigantic at address, almost like they are 580 cc or something. For some reason though, the fairway woods look good and perfect size, even the M6 which is larger cc (181) than I normally like. Now this has no impact on performance because I didn't get a chance to hit them.

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First time playing 18 with my m6 3 wood today and even though I only hit it like 4 or 5 times and twice off the tee.

 

I like how it looks at address. Very confidence inspiring with the shape. I can’t really tell you if the twist face is working with the 3 wood, hopefully more time with it I can tell a difference.

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I have to say with the design of the M5 and M6 drivers, they look gigantic at address, almost like they are 580 cc or something. For some reason though, the fairway woods look good and perfect size, even the M6 which is larger cc (181) than I normally like. Now this has no impact on performance because I didn't get a chance to hit them.

You're not alone lol I thought the same thing when I first saw them.
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I hit most the new fairway woods yesterday (less ping and Mizuno) and the only one that didn’t go left and gave me a straight shot to a slight cut which is what I want was the m6 rocket 14 degree. This was a beast. The shaft is junk and with poor custom options I’m putting my own shaft in it. The surprising thing was how high I could hit off the deck on a tight mat as well. The epic flash sat closed and just didn’t get along with flash subzero. The cobra tour just hooked. Also not a fan on the m5 either. I will say I hit the standard m6 and it spun way too much. The rocket was quite a bit better.

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The twist face definitely worked with this larger m6 fairway head. Now to find a driver to bag for the season.

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I hit most the new fairway woods yesterday (less ping and Mizuno) and the only one that didn't go left and gave me a straight shot to a slight cut which is what I want was the m6 rocket 14 degree. This was a beast. The shaft is junk and with poor custom options I'm putting my own shaft in it. The surprising thing was how high I could hit off the deck on a tight mat as well. The epic flash sat closed and just didn't get along with flash subzero. The cobra tour just hooked. Also not a fan on the m5 either. I will say I hit the standard m6 and it spun way too much. The rocket was quite a bit better.

 

Thanks for the review. Can you comment on the distance gain/same/lost vs your last 3wood? I'm considering the rocket but concerned it'll be too long coming from my M2 16.5*. Thanks.

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Hard to tell exact distance because I was hitting in a heated bay with wind blowing right to left and I’m hitting a slight cut. It was easily carrying 230 in 35 degree temps. I have played an m2 tour 3hl with tensei pro white for last couple years. This rocket is definitely longerby 15 yards.

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I have never gotten along with Taylormade drivers and quite honestly hate their marketing. I went to get fit at a reputable company in Las Vegas who is brand neutral. He actually is on staff with mizuno for irons. I currently game a rogue sub zero and switch between an Accra tour z and the Graphite design listed in my signature. On this day I had the Accra in and he MADE me hit the Taylormade when I was for certain going to buy either the F9 , the Mizuno or the Epic Flash. Boy am I glad he did. The m5 with the stock tensei orange not only carried 10 yards further than its closest competitor (my rogue) it also rolled out 8 yards further than my rogue. The spin was basically the same with the stock tensei and the dispersion and sound were much better as well. I ordered one on the spot and am going back next week for a shaft fitting. I was absolutely blown away. I am typically a high spin player and the m5 killed the spin for me. I can't wait to get it with a custom shaft to really see what it can do.

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I have to say with the design of the M5 and M6 drivers, they look gigantic at address, almost like they are 580 cc or something. For some reason though, the fairway woods look good and perfect size, even the M6 which is larger cc (181) than I normally like. Now this has no impact on performance because I didn't get a chance to hit them.

You're not alone lol I thought the same thing when I first saw them.

 

This is surprising to me. I have compared my 2017 M2 to both the M5 and M6 and actually thought the exact opposite. The M2 looked gigantic next to both of them. Interesting.

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