JPX Forged 919 and 919 Tour-Long Term Review??

[doublehans]

Dumbfounded and skeptical as well on the 919T.

 

I own the 18MB which is very easy to hit and the 900T are my GI. I game a 3-PW in both sets.

 

The 919T are a GI in disguise with such a fat sole and toe bias design.

 

What I see at address on the 3 iron is a thin top line, little offset but a fat sole and rear that is awfully visible.

 

I don't really understand why so many are moving to these over a fli-hi and mp18 combo set. The 18's are not at all hard to hit from the 6 or 7 down. So, what exactly are you gaining in the 919t. I.e. why does it even exist?

 

Why dumfounded that someone might like something different from you. The 919T are easier to hit than the 18 MB's. Why does it even exist? How about another option from Mizuno. We get it, you don't like them, and don't understand where they fit. No one is forcing you to buy a set.

 

I love it when people refer to a true MB as "very easy" to hit.

I have no dislike whatsoever, and they are tour proven. They have 6 sets of irons out right now, and the 919 tour seems like a weird fit to me, as in they already have that niche covered. And, no, the MP18 are not difficult to hit.

 

It doesn't mean I won't own a set either :)

 

I think its easier to answer if you flip the question and ask why they need the mp18s when they already had the 900s (and now the 919s). when the mp18s came out, all player types could find sthg that worked out of the jpx line.

 

if you assume the MPs are the main line of mizuno then the JPXs can seem redundant. but if you assume the JPX is mizunos main line of clubs then it all makes a lot more sense. they make the JPX as their max engineered clubs, the JPX are the what mizuno sees as the leading edge in club design. and then they keep the MPs around because they have a loyal following.

 

i think of it as this, the mp is the club mizuno HAS to produce for the bottom line, so many of their loyalists are traditionalists. but mizuno doesnt just want to be boxed into that reputation. so the jpx are the clubs mizuno WANTS to make, the clubs that push less traditional design and max out engineering more. if they were to choose one line for performance, its the jpx. but for longterm customers (and $$$) they have to make the MPs too.

[denvergolf]

Dumbfounded and skeptical as well on the 919T.

 

I own the 18MB which is very easy to hit and the 900T are my GI. I game a 3-PW in both sets.

 

The 919T are a GI in disguise with such a fat sole and toe bias design.

 

What I see at address on the 3 iron is a thin top line, little offset but a fat sole and rear that is awfully visible.

 

I don't really understand why so many are moving to these over a fli-hi and mp18 combo set. The 18's are not at all hard to hit from the 6 or 7 down. So, what exactly are you gaining in the 919t. I.e. why does it even exist?

 

Why dumfounded that someone might like something different from you. The 919T are easier to hit than the 18 MB's. Why does it even exist? How about another option from Mizuno. We get it, you don't like them, and don't understand where they fit. No one is forcing you to buy a set.

I love it when people refer to a true MB as "very easy" to hit.

I have no dislike whatsoever, and they are tour proven. They have 6 sets of irons out right now, and the 919 tour seems like a weird fit to me, as in they already have that niche covered. And, no, the MP18 are not difficult to hit.

 

It doesn't mean I won't own a set either :)

 

I think its easier to answer if you flip the question and ask why they need the mp18s when they already had the 900s (and now the 919s). when the mp18s came out, all player types could find sthg that worked out of the jpx line.

 

if you assume the MPs are the main line of mizuno then the JPXs can seem redundant. but if you assume the JPX is mizunos main line of clubs then it all makes a lot more sense. they make the JPX as their max engineered clubs, the JPX are the what mizuno sees are the leading edge in club design. and then they keep the MPs around just because they know that aesthetic sells.

 

i think of it as this, the mp is the club mizuno HAS to produce for the bottom line, so many of their loyalists are traditionalists. but mizuno doesnt just want to be boxed into that reputation. so the jpx are the clubs mizuno WANTS to make, the clubs that push less traditional design and max out engineering more. if they were to choose one line for performance, its the jpx. but for $$$, they have to make the MPs too.

Well...the MP's have been the main line of clubs since Moses was a baby. I'm just saying 6 sets is redundant. And, again, no way saying they are bad as that's a silly argument. Finally, saying Mizuno would rather make the JPX vs. MP is not accurate IMO...But, maybe you work for them and you can set me straight. Finally finally, they HAVE TO produce the JPX for the bottom line, not the other way around.

[doublehans]

I just think when you say why have the jpx when there's already the mp gets the question backward. the jpx are their modern line. this is seemingly who they are now and where they want to go. they still produce the MPs because they have a loyal following and they make money of course. now, people will have different preferences and some only want mizuno for the mp line (which is why mizuno have to continue making them). but asking why have the jpx when there's already the mp line assumes the mp line is the primary line. If you look at it that way, it does seem weird at times because it would make little sense if they were aimed at same market. but if you look at is they produce jpx as their modern line, then make mp 2d for traditionalists, it all makes a lot more sense because then its not about duplication, its just they produce the jpx and then they accommodate a loyal (and profitable) following by producing a mp line as well.

[Chuck905]

Doublehans explains it well. Thank-you

[Danimal269]

Saw that the jpx fli hi is going to be from 4-7 iron.

 

Any pictures or release dates?

[jetmech879]

I could be mistaken but I think there was talk a year ago about Mizuno making the MP line a Japan executive product. I don't know if there is any truth to that but they sure are pumping out irons for the jpx line. After February there could be 5 models with the addition of the hot metal pro and fli-hi! I guess we will find out next summer when the new MP line should start leaking out onto the tour.

[C_rad]

I am nit sure i will get a response but can anyone feedback on the long irons of 919tour versus something like the j15cb or the ping i210?

[SwingMan]

Odd argument above - why does the 919T exist - fat sole - lol. It's all in the eye of the beholder.

 

Much of the market want distance and forgiveness. The HM was their best selling iron. Mizuno wants to make money. Forgiveness and Distance sells. Makes sense to expand the JPX lineup and it has tour credibility with the 900T and 2 majors. MIzuno is getting the rep of being the irons pros use when they're not under contract. The MP line is generally for better, speedier players - okay to have both lines. The MP line keeps the brand's rep for forged, better player irons. The JPX line supplements and it making its own market with Touring Pros playing the JPX Tour. It's also for players who are attracted to the Mizuno brand for its rep but want a distance, yet player-driven iron with forgiveness. Something for everyone - thought that was a good thing...

[UTvols83]

MP line is typically aimed at better players. JPX line has been aimed at mid to high handicap players (bigger market). From that standpoint...I can see why some would be confused about the need to release a 900T/919T. So why would they do it? In my opinion, I think they wanted to develop a JPX iron that tour players would want to use because it would be a huge marketing boost for the JPX line.

[ShortGameJunkie]

You do realize 6 iron sets is not that much these days. Go ahead and tally up titleist iron offerings, or callaway? Both have at least 6 out. Even ping has what 5?

[WidespreadPanic]

I agree with doublehans. Mizuno has said that if they could only make 1 set, it would be the JPX Forged. The JPX line fits a wider range of golfers, and they are allowed to push the envelope when designing them. MP’s are and will always be classic.

[SwingMan]

MP line is typically aimed at better players. JPX line has been aimed at mid to high handicap players (bigger market). From that standpoint...I can see why some would be confused about the need to release a 900T/919T. So why would they do it? In my opinion, I think they wanted to develop a JPX iron that tour players would want to use because it would be a huge marketing boost for the JPX line.

 

Or maybe they needed a JPX iron like the Nike Vaper Pro, which Brooks once played, because it fit into the lineup and gave them a plus hc to low hc iron with toe assistance, a low to mid cap iron in the 919F, and a super forgiving iron in the HM with a natural evolution of the lineup. Who knows what's in the mind of Mizuno?

[kasturbo]

I think my test with the 919t is done. So my demo 7 iron with Modus 120 s is going to be for sale if anyone wants it. Loved the feel, but just not enough forgiveness and I need more distance. Was getting better results with the forged.

[DBake]

I wish the forged came in the lofts of the tours, that's my ideal set.

[pullfade]

Mizuno will bend them weaker and they will play with slightly less offset and more bounce.

[PorscheFan]

I think my test with the 919t is done. So my demo 7 iron with Modus 120 s is going to be for sale if anyone wants it. Loved the feel, but just not enough forgiveness and I need more distance. Was getting better results with the forged.

 

Ha! Clearly I’m behind the curve... I just ordered my 7 iron 919t at the weekend to do my own demo!

 

I really want a little more distance... my driver has improved massively, but my irons not by a single yard. My high-spinning 7i is currently only 145yards on SkyTrak, and will be maybe 150 with a 919t.

 

My logic was, even though I want more distance, I want as much options and as much accuracy as possible in that 100-150 range. Above that, though, I need some options which I currently lack. Hoping 6i and 5i in the Forged will be enough to achieve that.

 

Oh well... If I’m wrong, like you, I’m only out 1 club...

[jetmech879]

I think my test with the 919t is done. So my demo 7 iron with Modus 120 s is going to be for sale if anyone wants it. Loved the feel, but just not enough forgiveness and I need more distance. Was getting better results with the forged.

 

Ha! Clearly I’m behind the curve... I just ordered my 7 iron 919t at the weekend to do my own demo!

 

I really want a little more distance... my driver has improved massively, but my irons not by a single yard. My high-spinning 7i is currently only 145yards on SkyTrak, and will be maybe 150 with a 919t.

 

My logic was, even though I want more distance, I want as much options and as much accuracy as possible in that 100-150 range. Above that, though, I need some options which I currently lack. Hoping 6i and 5i in the Forged will be enough to achieve that.

 

Oh well... If I’m wrong, like you, I’m only out 1 club...

 

If you want more distance, you might want to consider a full set of the forged. They will be a few yards longer than the tours and just as accurate. I got a sweet deal on a set of forged and had originally thought about ordering a 7-pw in the tours. After playing the set for a few weeks, I see no point for a combo set.

[DBake]

Mizuno will bend them weaker and they will play with slightly less offset and more bounce.

 

Correct, but I don't need or want the more bounce.

[PorscheFan]

I think my test with the 919t is done. So my demo 7 iron with Modus 120 s is going to be for sale if anyone wants it. Loved the feel, but just not enough forgiveness and I need more distance. Was getting better results with the forged.

 

Ha! Clearly I'm behind the curve... I just ordered my 7 iron 919t at the weekend to do my own demo!

 

I really want a little more distance... my driver has improved massively, but my irons not by a single yard. My high-spinning 7i is currently only 145yards on SkyTrak, and will be maybe 150 with a 919t.

 

My logic was, even though I want more distance, I want as much options and as much accuracy as possible in that 100-150 range. Above that, though, I need some options which I currently lack. Hoping 6i and 5i in the Forged will be enough to achieve that.

 

Oh well... If I'm wrong, like you, I'm only out 1 club...

 

If you wand more distance, you might want to consider a full set of the forged. They will be a few yards longer than the tours and just as accurate. I got a sweet deal on a set of forged and had originally thought about ordering a 7-pw in the tours. After playing the set for a few weeks, I see no point for a combo set.

 

I seriously considered that, but the few times I've tested the Forged my spin (and thus distance) bounced up and down a bit more than it did with the Tours.

 

I also find the Forged quite chunky compared to what I use now. Frankly, I even find the Tours to be relatively chunky, but to a degree I can deal with. Also, whether it's visuals or whatever, I seem to strike them a little better than the Forged... Makes no sense to me, but it is what it is.

 

It's almost like the Tours deal with my strike variances better, and I really want to be confident of my distances inside of 150. Outside of 150 I figure I'll have as much issues with left-to-right dispersion to make front-to-back dispersion less of a concern. I'm just not very accurate at longer distances.

 

I figure this will be more of a battle of my ego than anything else. I might say I want a 7 iron that only goes 150 and rationally it seems the best thing for my game, but when I get playing with others in the Spring and they're hitting 170 with the same club will I still feel that way?

[Warrick]

I have my 6-P 919T bent strong to match my mp18 combo set, which I had set to match my 900F set, basically hit identical distances with all 3 sets (still own them all).

 

I have found no adverse effects on the 919T, loving them

[WidespreadPanic]

I think my test with the 919t is done. So my demo 7 iron with Modus 120 s is going to be for sale if anyone wants it. Loved the feel, but just not enough forgiveness and I need more distance. Was getting better results with the forged.

 

Ha! Clearly I'm behind the curve... I just ordered my 7 iron 919t at the weekend to do my own demo!

 

I really want a little more distance... my driver has improved massively, but my irons not by a single yard. My high-spinning 7i is currently only 145yards on SkyTrak, and will be maybe 150 with a 919t.

 

My logic was, even though I want more distance, I want as much options and as much accuracy as possible in that 100-150 range. Above that, though, I need some options which I currently lack. Hoping 6i and 5i in the Forged will be enough to achieve that.

 

Oh well... If I'm wrong, like you, I'm only out 1 club...

 

If you wand more distance, you might want to consider a full set of the forged. They will be a few yards longer than the tours and just as accurate. I got a sweet deal on a set of forged and had originally thought about ordering a 7-pw in the tours. After playing the set for a few weeks, I see no point for a combo set.

 

I seriously considered that, but the few times I've tested the Forged my spin (and thus distance) bounced up and down a bit more than it did with the Tours.

 

I also find the Forged quite chunky compared to what I use now. Frankly, I even find the Tours to be relatively chunky, but to a degree I can deal with. Also, whether it's visuals or whatever, I seem to strike them a little better than the Forged... Makes no sense to me, but it is what it is.

 

It's almost like the Tours deal with my strike variances better, and I really want to be confident of my distances inside of 150. Outside of 150 I figure I'll have as much issues with left-to-right dispersion to make front-to-back dispersion less of a concern. I'm just not very accurate at longer distances.

 

I figure this will be more of a battle of my ego than anything else. I might say I want a 7 iron that only goes 150 and rationally it seems the best thing for my game, but when I get playing with others in the Spring and they're hitting 170 with the same club will I still feel that way?

Are you dead set on the 919 line? Why not try the MMC?

[PorscheFan]

I think my test with the 919t is done. So my demo 7 iron with Modus 120 s is going to be for sale if anyone wants it. Loved the feel, but just not enough forgiveness and I need more distance. Was getting better results with the forged.

 

Ha! Clearly I'm behind the curve... I just ordered my 7 iron 919t at the weekend to do my own demo!

 

I really want a little more distance... my driver has improved massively, but my irons not by a single yard. My high-spinning 7i is currently only 145yards on SkyTrak, and will be maybe 150 with a 919t.

 

My logic was, even though I want more distance, I want as much options and as much accuracy as possible in that 100-150 range. Above that, though, I need some options which I currently lack. Hoping 6i and 5i in the Forged will be enough to achieve that.

 

Oh well... If I'm wrong, like you, I'm only out 1 club...

 

If you wand more distance, you might want to consider a full set of the forged. They will be a few yards longer than the tours and just as accurate. I got a sweet deal on a set of forged and had originally thought about ordering a 7-pw in the tours. After playing the set for a few weeks, I see no point for a combo set.

 

I seriously considered that, but the few times I've tested the Forged my spin (and thus distance) bounced up and down a bit more than it did with the Tours.

 

I also find the Forged quite chunky compared to what I use now. Frankly, I even find the Tours to be relatively chunky, but to a degree I can deal with. Also, whether it's visuals or whatever, I seem to strike them a little better than the Forged... Makes no sense to me, but it is what it is.

 

It's almost like the Tours deal with my strike variances better, and I really want to be confident of my distances inside of 150. Outside of 150 I figure I'll have as much issues with left-to-right dispersion to make front-to-back dispersion less of a concern. I'm just not very accurate at longer distances.

 

I figure this will be more of a battle of my ego than anything else. I might say I want a 7 iron that only goes 150 and rationally it seems the best thing for my game, but when I get playing with others in the Spring and they're hitting 170 with the same club will I still feel that way?

Are you dead set on the 919 line? Why not try the MMC?

 

Very good question. I actually trialed the MMC 5 iron this year and grew to like it. Decent enough feel with slightly stronger lofts than the MB. And a great looking club at address.

 

I think it was a comment that Voshall made regarding the forgiveness (by Mizuno's measurements) being similar between the 919T and the MMC that made me look at the JPX line. My thinking on JPX line was being able to blend with Forged for more distance with the 6i and 5i than I'd get with the MMC. In testing I was getting about 5 more yards on the Forged vs. MMC with basically the same spin, so for extending out my bag the 919T/Forged combo seemed to suit a little better, even though I much prefer MMC to Forged.

 

Ultimately I could go MB and MMC and lose a little distance at the top end. A lot will depend on how I get on with this 919T 7 iron...

[irsihmen453]

Was just fit for the 919T's yesterday. Coming from 712 AP2's these are considerably more forgiving and longer. I can not believe how great they felt. Ended up going with the KBS Tour 130x standard everything else. Very excited to get these out on the course.

 

I did hit the MMC Fli Hi 6 iron alongside and felt the Tours just as forgiving and did not lose ay distance.

[SecondShot]

Was just fit for the 919T's yesterday. Coming from 712 AP2's these are considerably more forgiving and longer. I can not believe how great they felt. Ended up going with the KBS Tour 130x standard everything else. Very excited to get these out on the course.

 

I did hit the MMC Fli Hi 6 iron alongside and felt the Tours just as forgiving and did not lose ay distance.

Did you although compare the 919T against the 718AP2?

[irsihmen453]

I did not. I didn't see any reason to hit the AP2's after hitting the 919's. I did hit the C-Taper 130x, PX 6.5, and PX LZ 6.5 and the KBS Tour 130x. Tours seemed to go a little further, felt smoother and I was able to work the ball without too many issues. (no upcharge for grips/shafts is really nice too)

[ssfranny]

Just finished quick round with the 919f. My God they feel good in the mid and short irons! The 4 and 5 iron not as much but still not bad. They are nice sticks for sure but not sure they will stay in the bag. The blade length is just a little long for me and I'm not sure I can get used to it. They are very forgiving on thin and toe shots. Also they do launch better than the 900f. I noticed the same thing as the above post with the low launch of the 900f. Bottom line is they are fantastic irons with sensational feel and very good forgiveness. But I'm a ho so there may be a set of absolute mint heads for sale here very soon.

 

This is the main reason I wasn't blown away by the forged. Too long a blade length. Nice clubs though that really perform. I ordered 6-P in the Tour and kept my 5 iron Fli-Hi. The Fli-His are $$.

 

The 919F is more compact than the 900F and smaller than my 0311s.

[Warrick]

Just finished quick round with the 919f. My God they feel good in the mid and short irons! The 4 and 5 iron not as much but still not bad. They are nice sticks for sure but not sure they will stay in the bag. The blade length is just a little long for me and I'm not sure I can get used to it. They are very forgiving on thin and toe shots. Also they do launch better than the 900f. I noticed the same thing as the above post with the low launch of the 900f. Bottom line is they are fantastic irons with sensational feel and very good forgiveness. But I'm a ho so there may be a set of absolute mint heads for sale here very soon.

 

This is the main reason I wasn't blown away by the forged. Too long a blade length. Nice clubs though that really perform. I ordered 6-P in the Tour and kept my 5 iron Fli-Hi. The Fli-His are $$.

 

 

Playing the exact same set up.....

[PorscheFan]

Well, the 7i 1/4 inch short with DG105 is finally in my hands. I was immediately comfortable with it.

 

Only took about 30 mins to see that my 7i is likely to go from a 145 yard carry club to a 155 yard carry club. It’s not launching any lower than my MP33 (20 deg in both cases), just a little more ball speed and a little less spin. Feel/sound is different indoors to me, so it’s a little harder to get a sense, but it feels great to me.

 

Stock shot for me with these is a tiny draw.

 

I love the idea of the Forged in 6i and 5i to extend the bag, but when demoing I seem to put more draw spin on the Forged than the Tours, and that’s my one concern. For those with combo sets have you had the same issue or not?

[ShowMe]

Hit a demo Forged 7i against my i210 7i on the course. It was like they were the same club. Same distance. Similar dispersion. Similar feel. The i210 was a little more forgiving on toe hits, though. It’s a nice club but no compelling reason for me to switch to it.

[IL2AZ]

First time out with my 919 Tours. Like the short irons better than the MP SC, like the long irons better in the MP SC. Going to go with a Fli Hi 3 and 4 iron with 919 Tour 5-PW. Also switched from Modus 120X to Modus 105X. The 105 provides just effortless power while launching the same with more consistent spin numbers than the 120.