Interesting development - $3000 pay to caddy from a $1.3 million winners check? (MOD EDIT - NO POLIT

[mosesgolf]

https://www.msn.com/...axce?li=BBnbfcL

 

It's on msn.com. Not sure what to make of it but some big names throwing MK under the bus.

 

If true that's not cool.

[J13]

Kuchar says it's not true I believe him. He seems like a stand up guy.

[Holy Moses]

http://www.golfwrx.c.../#entry18029770

 

How did that work out? No need to reply.

 

I was wrong there. It wasn't a rumor per se. Phil seemed to be pretty confident that he would be playing in Paris with Tiger. Before the Ryder Cup he said he'd welcome playing with Tiger and then laughed and said had an idea of what Captain Furyk was thinking.

[Dr.Frankenputz]

Matt Coocher?

[vman]

Gillis is a tweeting Word not allowedh@le and Kuchar's caddy contract arrangements are his affair.

[sevenfourate]

Multi Millionaire, deal agreed, local caddie or whatever else. That's a 'doooooooooouch' (I really hope that becomes his new crowd chant) offer from Kooch [if true] and his actions speak volumes. He was freely able to to up that 'agreement' after the win and most decent guys would have done so imo - realising the part the caddie had played and his true worth in the partnership.

[bladehunter]

All I keep coming up with is the only confirmed jerk here, IMO, is Gillis, starting something for no apparent reason other than to try and embarrass Kuchar - I mean, really, is Gillis the voice for the alleged downtrodden? Champion of all the caddies of the world? Attention whore? Twitter addict?

 

Seems pretty free with someone else's money for someone who didn't win the tournament and wasn't even part of the arrangement. Don't see it as any of the rest of the world's business.

 

Yep. More I think on it the more I ask ... who ? As in who the blank is Gillis ? And what is his motivation here?

 

People don’t say things like that true or not without an axe to grind. I never heard of the guy. So I don’t know why I need to believe him.

[golfandfishing]

“realising the part the caddie had played and his true worth in the partnership. ”

 

Maybe he did. Maybe the caddie did a horsesh-t job and Kuchar won despite the caddie not contributing all week? Personally I doubt he paid the guy $3k, but why do we assume the caddie did an outstanding job? Because he has a fun nickname? He may have done a garbage job all week for all we know. That’s at least as likely to be true as the payment rumor.

[Holy Moses]

Multi Millionaire, deal agreed, local caddie or whatever else. That's a 'doooooooooouch' (I really hope that becomes his new crowd chant) offer from Kooch [if true] and his actions speak volumes. He was freely able to to up that 'agreement' after the win and most decent guys would have done so imo - realising the part the caddie had played and his true worth in the partnership.

 

According to Ortiz, he hoped to get 10% but Kuchar did not discuss his pay with him until after the tournament was over

[gatorpedsMD]

Kuch strikes me as a fake so I not surprised if he is a mizer ****** too.

[gatorpedsMD]

Golf Channel's Brandel Chamblee defended Kuchar, saying the payment, if it was indeed $3,000, would've been "fair". PGA Tour player Cameron Percy suggested the low payment, if true, wouldn't be out of Kuchar's character.

 

Another reason why BC is an absolute D-bag idiot.

[OutBackHack]

Without giving away any names or figures, I'm gonna try out some perspective on this.

 

I caddie on Tour, no big deal...my player has status on 2 Tours, PGA and Web.com.

 

On the PGA Tour I'm paid a base rate, plus a sliding scale of percentage based on finishing position. You bet I want a slice of that purse if we make the cut.

On the Web, I have NEGOTIATED with my player that he pays me a much larger base rate, but I don't get any extra if me make the cut, or win for that matter.

If we were to win on the Web, I would be receive a paycheck that is way less than what most would get for a win.

But that's ok with me, Web money is not going to change any ones life, but more importantly, this is what I have agreed upon with my player in advance. He doesn't owe me a cent more, and in addition, it's really no one else's business.

 

Point is, I'm sure Kuchar and the caddie had a conversation about payment before the event began, and I would be confident Kuchar paid the caddie the amount they agreed on in that conversation.

It's also no one else's business...although I do understand it's interesting to learn how these things work.

[OldTomMorris]

Multi Millionaire, deal agreed, local caddie or whatever else. That's a 'doooooooooouch' (I really hope that becomes his new crowd chant) offer from Kooch [if true] and his actions speak volumes. He was freely able to to up that 'agreement' after the win and most decent guys would have done so imo - realising the part the caddie had played and his true worth in the partnership.

 

According to Ortiz, he hoped to get 10% but Kuchar did not discuss his pay with him until after the tournament was over

 

If true he was being naive hoping for 10% (I see a PGA Tour player on Twitter said 10% regular and 5% local/one-off) but even 2% would have been great, actually just 1% is a nice cut.

[Holy Moses]

Without giving away any names or figures, I'm gonna try out some perspective on this.

 

I caddie on Tour, no big deal...my player has status on 2 Tours, PGA and Web.com.

 

On the PGA Tour I'm paid a base rate, plus a sliding scale of percentage based on finishing position. You bet I want a slice of that purse if we make the cut.

On the Web, I have NEGOTIATED with my player that he pays me a much larger base rate, but I don't get any extra if me make the cut, or win for that matter.

If we were to win on the Web, I would be receive a paycheck that is way less than what most would get for a win.

But that's ok with me, Web money is not going to change any ones life, but more importantly, this is what I have agreed upon with my player in advance. He doesn't owe me a cent more, and in addition, it's really no one else's business.

 

Point is, I'm sure Kuchar and the caddie had a conversation about payment before the event began, and I would be confident Kuchar paid the caddie the amount they agreed on in advance.

 

That seems like a pretty good way to treat a caddie.

 

According to Kuchar’s caddie, they did not discuss his pay until after the tournament was over. A few pages back, another member said he was in the same position where he caddied for a Tour member last summer and didn’t discuss his pay and ended up getting around 2% of his winnings.

 

Gillis says that he would pay a local 5% of his winnings and he wouldn’t give him 10% if he won.

[OldTomMorris]

Without giving away any names or figures, I'm gonna try out some perspective on this.

 

I caddie on Tour, no big deal...my player has status on 2 Tours, PGA and Web.com.

 

On the PGA Tour I'm paid a base rate, plus a sliding scale of percentage based on finishing position. You bet I want a slice of that purse if we make the cut.

On the Web, I have NEGOTIATED with my player that he pays me a much larger base rate, but I don't get any extra if me make the cut, or win for that matter.

If we were to win on the Web, I would be receive a paycheck that is way less than what most would get for a win.

But that's ok with me, Web money is not going to change any ones life, but more importantly, this is what I have agreed upon with my player in advance. He doesn't owe me a cent more, and in addition, it's really no one else's business.

 

Point is, I'm sure Kuchar and the caddie had a conversation about payment before the event began, and I would be confident Kuchar paid the caddie the amount they agreed on in that conversation.

It's also no one else's business...although I do understand it's interesting to learn how these things work.

 

Do written caddy agreements exist at all? Given the scale of money in elite golf now you'd expect there to be written agreements. I'm sure players don't agree to any of their contracts with only a hand shake but do caddy contracts exist? For example, does Tiger's caddy have a "contract"? Lots of friends and relatives caddying so I guess there is just verbal agreements.

 

It's been pointed out that with the win Kuchar got into TOC and Masters (guaranteed money at both events) plus all his contracts with regards to OWGR bonuses etc. would have really benefited from that win.

 

Yes it's true it really isn't anyone's business but it does look the caddy was stiffed hence the interest and outrage. You think with a win Kuchar would have taken care of him.

[OutBackHack]

Without giving away any names or figures, I'm gonna try out some perspective on this.

 

I caddie on Tour, no big deal...my player has status on 2 Tours, PGA and Web.com.

 

On the PGA Tour I'm paid a base rate, plus a sliding scale of percentage based on finishing position. You bet I want a slice of that purse if we make the cut.

On the Web, I have NEGOTIATED with my player that he pays me a much larger base rate, but I don't get any extra if me make the cut, or win for that matter.

If we were to win on the Web, I would be receive a paycheck that is way less than what most would get for a win.

But that's ok with me, Web money is not going to change any ones life, but more importantly, this is what I have agreed upon with my player in advance. He doesn't owe me a cent more, and in addition, it's really no one else's business.

 

Point is, I'm sure Kuchar and the caddie had a conversation about payment before the event began, and I would be confident Kuchar paid the caddie the amount they agreed on in advance.

 

That seems like a pretty good way to treat a caddie.

 

According to Kuchar's caddie, they did not discuss his pay until after the tournament was over. A few pages back, another member said he was in the same position where he caddied for a Tour member last summer and didn't discuss his pay and ended up getting around 2% of his winnings.

 

Gillis says that he would pay a local 5% of his winnings and he wouldn't give him 10% if he won.

 

Yeah, the moral of the story is it needs to be discussed ahead of time. Easy to say, but if you're a rookie you may be intimidated by this or maybe you're just happy you have the job and hope the player will do the right thing. Players often don't do the right thing.

This tournament has been in Mayakoba for a while now, the caddie in question is supposedly the main man in the caddie yard, I'm fairly certain he's no dummy and knows how it all works.

[OutBackHack]

Without giving away any names or figures, I'm gonna try out some perspective on this.

 

I caddie on Tour, no big deal...my player has status on 2 Tours, PGA and Web.com.

 

On the PGA Tour I'm paid a base rate, plus a sliding scale of percentage based on finishing position. You bet I want a slice of that purse if we make the cut.

On the Web, I have NEGOTIATED with my player that he pays me a much larger base rate, but I don't get any extra if me make the cut, or win for that matter.

If we were to win on the Web, I would be receive a paycheck that is way less than what most would get for a win.

But that's ok with me, Web money is not going to change any ones life, but more importantly, this is what I have agreed upon with my player in advance. He doesn't owe me a cent more, and in addition, it's really no one else's business.

 

Point is, I'm sure Kuchar and the caddie had a conversation about payment before the event began, and I would be confident Kuchar paid the caddie the amount they agreed on in that conversation.

It's also no one else's business...although I do understand it's interesting to learn how these things work.

 

Do written caddy agreements exist at all? Given the scale of money in elite golf now you'd expect there to be written agreements. I'm sure players don't agree to any of their contracts with only a hand shake but do caddy contracts exist? For example, does Tiger's caddy have a "contract"? Lots of friends and relatives caddying so I guess there is just verbal agreements.

 

It's been pointed out that with the win Kuchar got into TOC and Masters (guaranteed money at both events) plus all his contracts with regards to OWGR bonuses etc. would have really benefited from that win.

 

Yes it's true it really isn't anyone's business but it does look the caddy was stiffed hence the interest and outrage. You think with a win Kuchar would have taken care of him.

 

I don't know of any written contracts. I would say that with all "lower" level caddies if a caddie tried to introduce a written agreement talks would fall through haha.

[FredWomble]

First to admit this is like teen gossip and I'm an old man by comparison. ?‍♂️ But I swear I remember reading a post on golfwrx some years ago that suggested Kuch isn't the sunny aw shucks guy his image strongly suggests. But I didn't really think much of it. This situation IS just speculation but it caught my eye that someone included Alan Shipnuck in a tweet and he replied. His word isn't proof either, but for him to weigh in at all is very interesting to me.

 

 

"I haven’t delved into this but it has the ring of truth."

[Holy Moses]

Without giving away any names or figures, I'm gonna try out some perspective on this.

 

I caddie on Tour, no big deal...my player has status on 2 Tours, PGA and Web.com.

 

On the PGA Tour I'm paid a base rate, plus a sliding scale of percentage based on finishing position. You bet I want a slice of that purse if we make the cut.

On the Web, I have NEGOTIATED with my player that he pays me a much larger base rate, but I don't get any extra if me make the cut, or win for that matter.

If we were to win on the Web, I would be receive a paycheck that is way less than what most would get for a win.

But that's ok with me, Web money is not going to change any ones life, but more importantly, this is what I have agreed upon with my player in advance. He doesn't owe me a cent more, and in addition, it's really no one else's business.

 

Point is, I'm sure Kuchar and the caddie had a conversation about payment before the event began, and I would be confident Kuchar paid the caddie the amount they agreed on in advance.

 

That seems like a pretty good way to treat a caddie.

 

According to Kuchar's caddie, they did not discuss his pay until after the tournament was over. A few pages back, another member said he was in the same position where he caddied for a Tour member last summer and didn't discuss his pay and ended up getting around 2% of his winnings.

 

Gillis says that he would pay a local 5% of his winnings and he wouldn't give him 10% if he won.

 

Yeah, the moral of the story is it needs to be discussed ahead of time. Easy to say, but if you're a rookie you may be intimidated by this or maybe you're just happy you have the job and hope the player will do the right thing. Players often don't do the right thing.

This tournament has been in Mayakoba for a while now, the caddie in question is supposedly the main man in the caddie yard, I'm fairly certain he's no dummy and knows how it all works.

 

If don’t think Ortiz knows how it works. Based on Bamberger’s quotes, Ortiz was hoping for 10%.

[bscinstnct]

Im not sure which is more shocking.

 

That Kuch might have paid his caddie $3000 on a $1.3MM payday

 

Or

 

That MSN actually still exists ; )

[BrianMcG]

Twitter is not a reliable source of information.

[OutBackHack]

Without giving away any names or figures, I'm gonna try out some perspective on this.

 

I caddie on Tour, no big deal...my player has status on 2 Tours, PGA and Web.com.

 

On the PGA Tour I'm paid a base rate, plus a sliding scale of percentage based on finishing position. You bet I want a slice of that purse if we make the cut.

On the Web, I have NEGOTIATED with my player that he pays me a much larger base rate, but I don't get any extra if me make the cut, or win for that matter.

If we were to win on the Web, I would be receive a paycheck that is way less than what most would get for a win.

But that's ok with me, Web money is not going to change any ones life, but more importantly, this is what I have agreed upon with my player in advance. He doesn't owe me a cent more, and in addition, it's really no one else's business.

 

Point is, I'm sure Kuchar and the caddie had a conversation about payment before the event began, and I would be confident Kuchar paid the caddie the amount they agreed on in advance.

 

That seems like a pretty good way to treat a caddie.

 

According to Kuchar's caddie, they did not discuss his pay until after the tournament was over. A few pages back, another member said he was in the same position where he caddied for a Tour member last summer and didn't discuss his pay and ended up getting around 2% of his winnings.

 

Gillis says that he would pay a local 5% of his winnings and he wouldn't give him 10% if he won.

 

Yeah, the moral of the story is it needs to be discussed ahead of time. Easy to say, but if you're a rookie you may be intimidated by this or maybe you're just happy you have the job and hope the player will do the right thing. Players often don't do the right thing.

This tournament has been in Mayakoba for a while now, the caddie in question is supposedly the main man in the caddie yard, I'm fairly certain he's no dummy and knows how it all works.

 

If don't think Ortiz knows how it works. Based on Bamberger's quotes, Ortiz was hoping for 10%.

 

That's kind of the problem, these's a lot of speculation, no one really knows. I would hope my player throws me a couple of grand if we win too, but he is under no obligation to do so.

[Llortamaisey]

Something sounds sketchers

[North Texas]

https://www.msn.com/...axce?li=BBnbfcL

 

It's on msn.com. Not sure what to make of it but some big names throwing MK under the bus.

 

If true that's not cool.

 

Did not see any "big names" in that article. Who are you talking about?

[Jagpilotohio]

Let’s see how many hreads we can get going on this.

 

I’ve found 4 so far.

[Man_O_War]

not 10% for sure. thought Tiger was cheap but this breaks all the rules of sportsmanship.

should be 5% for a local caddy

 

 

multimillionaire vs local caddy... come on kutchar...this is looooowww .

[Hawkeye77]

Let’s see how many hreads we can get going on this.

 

I’ve found 4 so far.

 

OK Kramer, you win the contest. ;-)

 

I could only find it in 3, but I guarantee I'll keep looking, lol.

 

Looking for those "big names" throwing him under the bus, too. It's a gloomy Sunday morning.

 

Edit: LOL, never thought to look in the equipment forum - I see some dipstick started it twice.

[Ignatius Reilly]

It was reported that the caddie received a pair of Sketchers also... So he's got that going for him.

 

And once he put them on he was on the hook for 36 holes.

 

That got me to thinking about Sketchers and all the rest of Kuch's sponsors.

 

This rumour will surely be on someone's desk by 8AM Monday.

 

I would expect at least some of them to want to delve into it, just a little. A call to Kuch perhaps?

 

Yeah, it's unsubstantiated, but you really don't want your product represented by a guy who'd do something like that.

[OldTomMorris]

That's kind of the problem, these's a lot of speculation, no one really knows. I would hope my player throws me a couple of grand if we win too, but he is under no obligation to do so.

 

Unfortunately Kuchar's kind of wooly response yesterday only helped to fuel the flames. Twitter can be an out of control monster of information which is rarely based on facts.

[bscinstnct]

Maybe Kuch also made a $127k donation in the caddies name to

 

The Human Fund ; )