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I am going to throw together an old school bag for Ha Ha's (Persimmon Driver, 3w, 5w) and some Old School Blades to bang around with for fun.

 

I know nothing of old school woods, so in searching e-bay I have no idea what to look for. I found a nice set of Ping Eye's for a really cheap price but what is considered to be the "Holy Grail" of the Persimmon's era of Clubs?

 

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Joe Powell for me.

 

MacGregor and Cleveland made some nice woods too throughout the range, as did Mizuno with the Tour Proven line. Maxfli Pro specials were nice woods too, but both may be rare in the US.

Old Nike woods with blue shafts, Titleist 712Us and a bagful of 681s, two rusty old Vokeys, an Eye 2 L wedge and an Anser 2

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Look up Louisvillegolf.com. Not know to many people but they made the Hogan, Wilson, and other OEM persimmon heads. They are located in Louisville Kentucky. The home of the Kentucky Derby. You can go into their show room and they have overuns of persimmon heads from the late 80's. You can buy a Ben Hogan 3 wood from them. This is not on their website. You have to travel there. They make some of the finest persimmon woods available today. They have the classic models from the 50's and they have some updated models. With sizes about like the Titleist 975D for a comparison sake. Their company and a man that worked for Wilson staff and made irons and wedges are the only people in the state of Kentucky that can rewhip a persimmon wood. I know how to but boy does it look like s***. They have several graphite shaft options and the standard true temper options. Persimmon woods dry rot. The wood will literally chip off the toe or from the face if you try to play a really old one a lot. Plus todays two piece balls are really hard on the face of them. The last persimmon that I played came from Powerbilt and was shaped like a Cobra Head with the dimples on it. I had a titanium shaft that was black to silver fade, x flex. With the old ball rules that were from the 80's early 90's where a ball could only go 290 yards plus or minus 2 percent or 3 percent something like that. Then if u hit it in the center of the club face. There was no difference in persimmon and a taylor made burner that was 150cc. NO difference in distance but a lot in feel. Mat mentioned Joe Powell, they were great. So was a small company called Texas golf. They had a sole plate the shape of the state of Texas. They made a cork filled persimmon wood. Years ago a "real man" didn't play graphite or a metal wood. It was for "old men" and people that were called "hackers". When Curtis Strange won back to back US Opens with a Taylormade then things changed some. So take a look, u might find something fun.

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Wood Brothers made good persimmons too.

 

Langer used one (and won a Masters title with it) and was amongst the last players I know of (along with Justin Leonard and Anders Forsbrand) to switch to a metal driver.

Old Nike woods with blue shafts, Titleist 712Us and a bagful of 681s, two rusty old Vokeys, an Eye 2 L wedge and an Anser 2

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There's some good stuff out there, but anything you get from John Powell at Joe Powell will be superb. You can get anything to spec in a number of stains and inserts depending on your cosmetic preferences and have yet to get something from him with less than great grain.

 

I order a driver a month from him as I play persimmon regularly and can't say enough good things about his work.

 

Depending on what you want, there are a host of options. Starting out, something like his DSP with a glass insert would be the best for consistent play with modern balls....He also has a deep faced model I like quite a bit, but don't think its as forgiving as the DSP.

 

Can't go wrong with Powell.

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Joe Powell - i bought a 3W at the british Open in 1991 and used it for the best part of 9 years, still looks like new. I bought the driver a few months later - not as nice as the 3W to use (maybe just me !!).The 3W only got replaced with a Callaway Steelhead plus, that i didn't hit any better, but was less precious to me !. I still have that JP 3W !!

 

I've collected a lot of MacGregors , mainly in the late 90s - i picked a 1950s Jimmy Demerat 3W up for under $5 - its the best looking club i have, and nicely complements the 1950s MacGregor SilverScot irons i have for hostalgic days !!

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I'll second the Joe Powell and add Toney Penna and Bert Dargie.

Cobra F9 10.5*, VA Composites Raijin 44 F2
Cobra F9 16.0, UST Helium 49 A Flex
TXG Custom SIM Max 7-wood, Accra 140 2.0 M2
Sonartec MD 23* Hybrid, UST Irod A Flex 
TXG Custom, Mizuno JPX 919 Hotmetal 6-pw, 1* up, + 1/2", UST Recoil ESX 460 R, Soft Stepped Once
Mizuno S18 50/07, KBS Tour 110 R
Ping Eye 2+,53.5 *, Accra 90i R
Ping Glide 1.0 55*, Accra 90i R
TXG Glide 2.0 Stealth 58*, DG S300
Ping Karsten TR Pal, 35"
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Thanks for all the replys.

 

The Joe Powell Drivers look fantastic:

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But there is no way I can justify spending $325 for a club I might use once a month.

 

In searching the internet I think I found a set of Woods. MacGregor Tourney EYE-O-MATIC Oil Hardened 945 W. They were just completely refinished and look brand new, which wasn't as important as they are also cheap.

 

As for my Blades? I have no idea. I was thinking about a set of older Hogans, like the Directors from the early 80's. I like the clean look of just "Hogan" on the back of the club.

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1. Toney Penna Original

2. Powerbilt Citation

3. Palmer Peerless

4. Ben Hogan Personal Model, 1978, blond head, speed slot, awesome wood. Played by Bill Rogers in famed 1981 British Open win.

The key to persimmon woods is the grain. Light finished woods show the grain, darker finished woods, like the ones Seve favored often obscured the grain.

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1. Toney Penna Original

2. Powerbilt Citation

3. Palmer Peerless

4. Ben Hogan Personal Model, 1978, blond head, speed slot, awesome wood. Played by Bill Rogers in famed 1981 British Open win.

The key to persimmon woods is the grain. Light finished woods show the grain, darker finished woods, like the ones Seve favored often obscured the grain.

 

 

I was always a dark-stain fan myself (I've still got my old Joe Powell and an old MacGregor which are both very dark; in fact the JP is effectively black)

 

I think the preference was always for the grain to be a concentric pattern of 'U's' in the toe area for the purists, with straighter lines perpendicular to and running away from the face being frowned upon.

Old Nike woods with blue shafts, Titleist 712Us and a bagful of 681s, two rusty old Vokeys, an Eye 2 L wedge and an Anser 2

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I order a driver a month from him as I play persimmon regularly and can't say enough good things about his work.

 

Why would you play persimmon regularly? I'm all for sentimentalism, but you're costing yourself serious shots.

 

I have an Eye-O-Matic in great shape that I would sell for not much cash. Could send you pics on Friday.

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I order a driver a month from him as I play persimmon regularly and can't say enough good things about his work.

 

Why would you play persimmon regularly? I'm all for sentimentalism, but you're costing yourself serious shots.

 

I have an Eye-O-Matic in great shape that I would sell for not much cash. Could send you pics on Friday.

 

 

If I'm costing myself some serious strokes with persimmon, why is my index a full stroke lower this year with persimmon in the bag than it was last year with technology?

 

I really don't think you'd be complaining too much if your index was +0.7 with almost no technology in the bag.

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If I'm costing myself some serious strokes with persimmon, why is my index a full stroke lower this year with persimmon in the bag than it was last year with technology?

 

I really don't think you'd be complaining too much if your index was +0.7 with almost no technology in the bag.

 

 

 

You have all the latest technology in every other club. I guess you play the persimmon so people will say, "Wow! He's a +1 and he ISN'T EVEN PLAYING GOOD CLUBS!"

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If I'm costing myself some serious strokes with persimmon, why is my index a full stroke lower this year with persimmon in the bag than it was last year with technology?

 

I really don't think you'd be complaining too much if your index was +0.7 with almost no technology in the bag.

 

 

 

You have all the latest technology in every other club. I guess you play the persimmon so people will say, "Wow! He's a +1 and he ISN'T EVEN PLAYING GOOD CLUBS!"

 

 

Is it seriously that hard for you to imagine someone scoring better with persimmon than technology?

 

I bring Titanium out about once or twice a month for giggles (I have 3 drivers in the rotation: VFT Tour Series 8.5 (300cc), TM 540 XD TP 7.5 (400cc), TM 580 XD TP 7.5 (440cc)) and while I pump it out there further, I don't manage to score as well....as far as fairway woods go, even if I had a titanium driver in the bag, you'd never get me to take the persimmon 3 wood out.

 

BTW: I have one cavity back in my bag and graphite in my wedges. That's all the technology I carry...unless you honestly consider blades with steel shafts as possessing "the latest technology."

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Lot's of good stuff mentioned. I have a pretty big collection of persimmons with most of them being Macs from the 50's and 60's

Toney Penna, Texas Golf, and Kenneth Smith were also very good.

A vintage Macgregor three wood is still probably more accurate than any metal wood made today and not much shorter. Powerbilt made some nice fairway woods too.

Ping never made anything from persimmon, it was all laminated maple.

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[quote name='mat562' post='740991' date='Oct 3 2007, 10:25 AM'][quote name='dodger' post='740985' date='Oct 3 2007, 09:21 AM']1. Toney Penna Original
2. Powerbilt Citation
3. Palmer Peerless
4. Ben Hogan Personal Model, 1978, blond head, speed slot, awesome wood. Played by Bill Rogers in famed 1981 British Open win.
The key to persimmon woods is the grain. Light finished woods show the grain, darker finished woods, like the ones Seve favored often obscured the grain.[/quote]


I was always a dark-stain fan myself (I've still got my old Joe Powell and an old MacGregor which are both very dark; in fact the JP is effectively black)

I think the preference was always for the grain to be a concentric pattern of 'U's' in the toe area for the purists, with straighter lines perpendicular to and running away from the face being frowned upon.
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I think the theory was that this type of grain pattern added more strength to the wood and therefore the driver was more durable. The hard thing to determine about persimmon, since it is a solid block of wood, is that no two drivers were exactly alike. One might have a peice of wood that was more dense, or had more weight in it than another. Purist always loved the persimmon, but technically the laminated woods were probably manufactured more consistantly club to club with less variation in tolerances, especially when buying a mass produced brand. The Ping woods were laminated (similar to a block of plywood) but were not viewed as highly as the eye 2 irons of that era. That being said there were a lot of great persimmon woods on the market, and I know you can pick a lot of them up pretty cheap. I have a Power built citation driver and 3w that are in really good shape and I think I paid $10 a piece for them.

I pick 14 of the following:
Ping G400
Ping G410 3, 5 and 7 wood
Ping G 400 4 hybrid
Ping G 4-U
Ping Glide 2.0 Stealth 54, 58 SS
Grips NDMC +4
Odyssey Pro #1 black
Hoofer
ProV1x-mostly
ECCO Biom Hybrid 3

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