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I guess I am OK with Sticks being next Ryder cup captain and I guess I understand the system is past captains become assistants but I am not loving the comments from Stricker on 'he did everything right' on Fuyrk. I think Figjam was major error due to course and state of his game not to mention a couple of other selections and pairings. Am I being too harsh ?

Did you really expect him to say "Furyk screwed up big time, we'd have won if I had been captain. Well, our team really played like dogs too, they have to take the responsibility too".?

He did the only thing he could, compliment his predecessor, and compliment the play of the winning team.

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Yes, let's keep the losers around even longer. Maybe it is reverse psychology? American teams have tried to win for so long and ended up losing, maybe the new strategy is trying to lose and end up winning? Surely, Furyk would be key to this new approach.

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I guess if you ruled out players with losing records the US would have nobody under 80 eligible to be captain, but I don’t get this one. Steve hasn’t exactly shown that he knows how to thrive in Ryder Cup pressure. He’s probably a nice guy and a good friend, but I don’t know if he can provide alpha male team leadership.

Who would you have chosen?

 

Thanks for responding?

 

Cheers?

RP

 

Tough call. I don’t even want to answer the question because there is no upside.

 

I’ve gone down the current money lists on the PGA and Champions tour looking for prospects in their late 40s or early 50s. There aren’t many options. The conventional wisdom names for the most part have already been captain and lost. No point doing that again. Fred Couples stands out, but I don’t know that he wants the job and I don’t know that the PGA wants to give it to him. As much as I am not a fan and in spite of his ownership of possibly the worst record in Ryder Cup history, Phil Mickelson’s name stands out. I could see him being a playing captain. He definitely has the passion, the experience on big stages, opinions and the desire. He could probably pull off playing a singles match, one best ball, and captain the rest of the time. I imagine the scene in Animal House when Delta has just been terminated by the Dean. I can see Phil rallying the guys as Bluto did. I don’t see Stricker pulling that off.

 

Given the Wisconsin angle, Stricker might be the best we can do. I just worry, however, that he’s spent his career being an under the radar kind of guy. More of a VP Accounting than CEO. Who knew he had 12 wins? He won Comeback Player of the Year once but nobody remembered so they gave it to him again. Ryder Cup Captain is definitely not under the radar. He’s going to have to adapt to the spotlight in a big hurry

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Blaming that Ryder cup on Jim furyk is nuts. He’d been better off with the walker cup or solheim cup teams. The guys just didn’t show up. Nothing more. Nothing less.

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I dont understand how phil going 0-2 costed usa the ryder cup. Europe played unreal, america looked tired and lost

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Yes - he could have not picked Phil. Or not use him as he did. I guess my thought was - does Fuyrk have to be the first asst captain picked ? Something else I was seeing / that there is already a group of player with inside track I think we make too many assumptions based on history vs who earned it this year.

 

Anyway - just a thought probably too early to think about Ryder cup in 2020

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Whoever the captain needs to get rid of the I'm the superstar here mentality from the US team. People who are lackluster (seems so) whether or not they win, like DJ and BK need to be looked at closely since they are not adding any values other than their superstar status.

 

People like Finau, Xander, Rickie, JT and Jordan show fire enough to win, Woodland and Sneds too if they are in form. Never played Phil in a foursome. 1 match a day for the older cats.

 

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I guess if you ruled out players with losing records the US would have nobody under 80 eligible to be captain, but I don't get this one. Steve hasn't exactly shown that he knows how to thrive in Ryder Cup pressure. He's probably a nice guy and a good friend, but I don't know if he can provide alpha male team leadership.

Who would you have chosen?

 

Thanks for responding

 

Cheers

RP

 

Tough call. I don't even want to answer the question because there is no upside.

 

I've gone down the current money lists on the PGA and Champions tour looking for prospects in their late 40s or early 50s. There aren't many options. The conventional wisdom names for the most part have already been captain and lost. No point doing that again. Fred Couples stands out, but I don't know that he wants the job and I don't know that the PGA wants to give it to him. As much as I am not a fan and in spite of his ownership of possibly the worst record in Ryder Cup history, Phil Mickelson's name stands out. I could see him being a playing captain. He definitely has the passion, the experience on big stages, opinions and the desire. He could probably pull off playing a singles match, one best ball, and captain the rest of the time. I imagine the scene in Animal House when Delta has just been terminated by the Dean. I can see Phil rallying the guys as Bluto did. I don't see Stricker pulling that off.

 

Given the Wisconsin angle, Stricker might be the best we can do. I just worry, however, that he's spent his career being an under the radar kind of guy. More of a VP Accounting than CEO. Who knew he had 12 wins? He won Comeback Player of the Year once but nobody remembered so they gave it to him again. Ryder Cup Captain is definitely not under the radar. He's going to have to adapt to the spotlight in a big hurry

 

You bring up good points. The fact is SS straight up said that he had no interest in being world number one, the pressure and prestige of it just didn't appeal to him. From his own mouth he had no desire to be the best. I'm all for friendly, humble, kind of spirit, but on the course you need to be Seve and shake hands while thinking I'm going to bury you, friend. Furyk doesn't exactly strike me as fiery either, Maybe Stricker has some hidden fire when it comes to motivating others that he's going to unleash. As of now, though, it seems he could have picked someone to be the foil to his softer nature.

 

I will say this: he'll likely be very observant of what his players are doing, so the question will be can he get it across to them in a way that helps them win? And can he help everyone to play as a cohesive group through the weekend?

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I guess if you ruled out players with losing records the US would have nobody under 80 eligible to be captain, but I don't get this one. Steve hasn't exactly shown that he knows how to thrive in Ryder Cup pressure. He's probably a nice guy and a good friend, but I don't know if he can provide alpha male team leadership.

Who would you have chosen?

 

Thanks for responding

 

Cheers

RP

 

Tough call. I don't even want to answer the question because there is no upside.

 

I've gone down the current money lists on the PGA and Champions tour looking for prospects in their late 40s or early 50s. There aren't many options. The conventional wisdom names for the most part have already been captain and lost. No point doing that again. Fred Couples stands out, but I don't know that he wants the job and I don't know that the PGA wants to give it to him. As much as I am not a fan and in spite of his ownership of possibly the worst record in Ryder Cup history, Phil Mickelson's name stands out. I could see him being a playing captain. He definitely has the passion, the experience on big stages, opinions and the desire. He could probably pull off playing a singles match, one best ball, and captain the rest of the time. I imagine the scene in Animal House when Delta has just been terminated by the Dean. I can see Phil rallying the guys as Bluto did. I don't see Stricker pulling that off.

 

Given the Wisconsin angle, Stricker might be the best we can do. I just worry, however, that he's spent his career being an under the radar kind of guy. More of a VP Accounting than CEO. Who knew he had 12 wins? He won Comeback Player of the Year once but nobody remembered so they gave it to him again. Ryder Cup Captain is definitely not under the radar. He's going to have to adapt to the spotlight in a big hurry

 

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I get that everyone here loves him, but explain to me how he is a good pick for captain. He’s basically the American version of Luke Donald Disease (google it if you don’t know what that is). I’d rather see Furyk again, at least he knows what it’s like to win a major. Stricker skipped a major to play the John Deere. I just don’t get how he inspires anyone. And why not Couples?

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I guess if you ruled out players with losing records the US would have nobody under 80 eligible to be captain, but I don't get this one. Steve hasn't exactly shown that he knows how to thrive in Ryder Cup pressure. He's probably a nice guy and a good friend, but I don't know if he can provide alpha male team leadership.

Who would you have chosen?

 

Thanks for responding��

 

Cheers��

RP

 

Tough call. I don't even want to answer the question because there is no upside.

 

I've gone down the current money lists on the PGA and Champions tour looking for prospects in their late 40s or early 50s. There aren't many options. The conventional wisdom names for the most part have already been captain and lost. No point doing that again. Fred Couples stands out, but I don't know that he wants the job and I don't know that the PGA wants to give it to him. As much as I am not a fan and in spite of his ownership of possibly the worst record in Ryder Cup history, Phil Mickelson's name stands out. I could see him being a playing captain. He definitely has the passion, the experience on big stages, opinions and the desire. He could probably pull off playing a singles match, one best ball, and captain the rest of the time. I imagine the scene in Animal House when Delta has just been terminated by the Dean. I can see Phil rallying the guys as Bluto did. I don't see Stricker pulling that off.

 

Given the Wisconsin angle, Stricker might be the best we can do. I just worry, however, that he's spent his career being an under the radar kind of guy. More of a VP Accounting than CEO. Who knew he had 12 wins? He won Comeback Player of the Year once but nobody remembered so they gave it to him again. Ryder Cup Captain is definitely not under the radar. He's going to have to adapt to the spotlight in a big hurry

 

You bring up good points. The fact is SS straight up said that he had no interest in being world number one, the pressure and prestige of it just didn't appeal to him. From his own mouth he had no desire to be the best. I'm all for friendly, humble, kind of spirit, but on the course you need to be Seve and shake hands while thinking I'm going to bury you, friend. Furyk doesn't exactly strike me as fiery either, Maybe Stricker has some hidden fire when it comes to motivating others that he's going to unleash. As of now, though, it seems he could have picked someone to be the foil to his softer nature.

 

I will say this: he'll likely be very observant of what his players are doing, so the question will be can he get it across to them in a way that helps them win? And can he help everyone to play as a cohesive group through the weekend?

 

He does have some "hidden fire" we know of. He is the guy who used a medicus and hitting balls in the snow to get his tour card back. So there's that...

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Like many here, I'm a huge golf fan. But honestly, I could really care less about the Ryder Cup or the Presidents Cup.

 

I'm sure the players enjoy playing with some of their peers (Reed, Bubba excluded), and it's a good social event for a week. But I'm pretty sure no one is dwelling over a loss for more than about 5 minutes. They could care less about the golf and it shows.

 

The U.S. team could have no captain/assistant captains, go pickup 12 red/white/blue shirts/pants at PGA Tour Superstore the week before, and draw names out of a hat for pairings, and the outcome would be about the same. And since there is no captain, just put guys #9-#12 on the team by default.

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Like many here, I'm a huge golf fan. But honestly, I could really care less about the Ryder Cup or the Presidents Cup.

 

I'm sure the players enjoy playing with some of their peers (Reed, Bubba excluded), and it's a good social event for a week. But I'm pretty sure no one is dwelling over a loss for more than about 5 minutes. They could care less about the golf and it shows.

 

The U.S. team could have no captain/assistant captains, go pickup 12 red/white/blue shirts/pants at PGA Tour Superstore the week before, and draw names out of a hat for pairings, and the outcome would be about the same. And since there is no captain, just put guys #9-#12 on the team by default.

 

Seems you and Furyk have a lot in common. Now that the major requirement is gone perhaps they'll let you throw your hat in for 2022?

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Winning a major has no predictive value when it comes to being a successful Ryder Cup captain. Tradition (winning a major) and politics (Ryder Cup vs. Presidents Cup and Fred's association with the latter) are factors. And Stricker is from Wisconsin.

 

FWIW, I want a captain who will engage a Mark Broadie type who can incorporate objective data and analysis to complement automatic qualifier preferences when it comes to picks and pairings. I'm effing sick of losing to the Euros.

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Like many here, I'm a huge golf fan. But honestly, I could really care less about the Ryder Cup or the Presidents Cup.

 

I'm sure the players enjoy playing with some of their peers (Reed, Bubba excluded), and it's a good social event for a week. But I'm pretty sure no one is dwelling over a loss for more than about 5 minutes. They could care less about the golf and it shows.

 

The U.S. team could have no captain/assistant captains, go pickup 12 red/white/blue shirts/pants at PGA Tour Superstore the week before, and draw names out of a hat for pairings, and the outcome would be about the same. And since there is no captain, just put guys #9-#12 on the team by default.

 

Seems you and Furyk have a lot in common. Now that the major requirement is gone perhaps they'll let you throw your hat in for 2022?

I'm not saying I am more qualified or could do a better job.

 

People make this event out to be a big deal, but I'd guess that half of the people playing/team admin would rather be doing something else and would gladly drop out if they could (without causing other negative PR issues).

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Winning a major has no predictive value when it comes to being a successful Ryder Cup captain. It's just a tradition that's likely been used to thin the field of candidates. Politics plays a huge part and I've heard and read that Fred's association with the Presidents Cup has factored into his not being a captain yet.

 

I hope Stricker and future captains will engage a Mark Broadie type who can incorporate objective data and analysis to complement automatic qualifier preferences when it comes to picks and pairings, because I'm sick of losing to the Euros.

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There is no one Furyk could of picked that would of helped America on that setup

 

Um, ever heard of Brian Harmon or Kevin Kisner. Both were top 17 in the rankings and would have been great golf on that course. Furyk couldn't make the bold move and pick one of them over Phil.

 

Exactly. Those guys are tough and would have fit great on that course!

 

Furyk should recuse himself

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Yes - exactly. Stricter does not need to publicly bad mouth Fuyrk - but after all the poor performances over the years does he have to be the first guy selected to the team - even if as vice captain. Let’s try some new ideas and new blood. There are tons of guys that deserve an opportunity

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