Sub 70 Clubs

[golfdaydreamer]

I commented on another post earlier, but since this seems to be the OFFICIAL Sub70 thread I'll comment here too.  

 

I ordered my Sub70 clubs two weeks ago.  My current gamers are Cobra Forge TEC black with AMT s300 shafts.  Very nice clubs, but I was looking for something new to try.  Looking for a blade to be honest.  My issue with the Cobra was roll out distance.  When buying an iron I feel that I need ball to hit a spot.  NOT ROLL OUT 10 yards.  My current gamers were rocket launchers.  Furthermore, I hated chunky PW & 9i.  Seemed hard to chip with.  

 

I have a membership at local PGA superstore, so I am fortunate to have the ability to test a vast amount of different clubs.  One club I gravitated towards was the Srixon zForged.  I've messed around with blades in the past but truthfully I've only been playing golf for 3 years, so thought of buying blades was intimidating.  Over the last year my ball striking has gotten better.  So I thought I'd try the zForged... I was surprisingly hitting them very well.  Even a blady 4i.  

 

What led me to SUB70 was the look.  I saw the MB on a few reviews.  They look amazing.  What convinced me to give them a try is the price point.  $600 is a fantatic deal on a full set of 4-pw NEW IRONS.  I buy and sell frequently on eBay and you won't find a new set of blades for that price.... good luck finding a used set for $600 too.  

 

Two weeks ago I reached out to Jason.  I was completely shocked I had his personal cell phone number and he answered the phone.  Does the CEO of any other major golf company do that?  Probably not... so having the connection with CEO is major selling point.  Jason listened to my request, took notes.  He highly suggested I go into PGA superstore and test out many different shafts.  So I did... I tried out probably 15 different shafts & head combinations.  I tried them all: Mizuno MB, HMB, MMC, Taylormade 790s, 770s, srixon z785, zforged... then I tried so many different shafts.  I went in to the PGA store everyday for about a week to try all the different combos I could just to get a feel.  

 

My winning shaft was the KBS Tour 120 Stiff.  It was a slight edge over the C-taper lite.  I also went with a 1/2" in length.  The set jason is building is quite a blend:

4i 699PRO

5 & 6 639 CB

7 - PW MB

 

Unfortunately I am in the waiting game.... my models are stuck in customs and now need to get here.  Nothing Jason can do there.  My plan is write a complete review of these clubs once they come in.  I am excited to try them out.  Great part is my club championship is over and now I have a full year to get better with them.  

[squish45]

@golfdaydreamer same bro, same.

Order was placed on the 2nd, hoping to get some practice in this week and play this weekend but 2 of my heads are stuck in the customs hold up.

I did the 639 combo set as well but 3-PW with the 9 and PW in MB. Have a feeling I might end up running most of them in MB except the 3 and 4 once I get them.

[driveandputtmachine]

I went with 699 Pro in the 5-8 and the 638CB in the 9 and W. 

 

I also ordered a 699 Pro U 4 iron and a 939x 4 hybrid as well.  Once I get them and have some time with them I will post up a big review.  Not sure which will suit me more often, but I wanted the chance to have both depending upon the course.

[pdxhak]

For those that have ordered demo clubs did you get a tracking number?

[rondre3000]

21 minutes ago, pdxhak said:

For those that have ordered demo clubs did you get a tracking number?

For my demo orders, I did not receive tracking info from Sub70. I got tracking info from the shipping carrier.

[golfdaydreamer]

Good news... the CB & MB heads arrived!  

 

So now the clubs are being built.  I can not wait to try them out.  I highly suggest to anyone who is curious about them A) get demo set B) say TO HE'LL WITH IT and buy a set.  I'd be he sells out again soon.  

[squish45]

5 minutes ago, golfdaydreamer said:

Good news... the CB & MB heads arrived!  

 

So now the clubs are being built.  I can not wait to try them out.  I highly suggest to anyone who is curious about them A) get demo set B) say TO HE'LL WITH IT and buy a set.  I'd be he sells out again soon.  

did they call/update you or did you happen to reach out?

[golfdaydreamer]

Just now, squish45 said:

did they call/update you or did you happen to reach out?

 

I saw it on their twitter account @squish45

[BballMike14]

On 9/14/2020 at 8:43 PM, BballMike14 said:

OK! Some initial thoughts after range time (unfortunately, no launch monitor for real data, so please take with a grain of salt...)

 

639mb 9i:

-felt great when centered (happened more often than I was expecting, to be honest)

-seemed to launch higher than my M2 Tour

-very consistent distance when struck well, responded well to taking a bit off also

-hard to say how much I lost on heely shots

-I chipped a bit with it too and it did get the ball rolling nicely 

-I don't think the beautiful black finish will last long if I go to the range often!!

-feels like it fits right in between my 8i and PW distance-wise - I'll know more when I play my ball at my course (Wednesday!!)

-it sure helped getting the club built to my exact 9-iron specs to drop right in

 

699u pro 2i

-weight feels lighter than my 4i, but doesn't stand out as too light (for me at least)

-very large face, but looks reasonable at the ball

-this thing gets down range fast! No ballooning, just shoots and drops and rolls

-again, with no launch monitor, hard to say for sure, but I compared against my Cobra LTD 5 wood and would say carry was close (edge would go to the LTD) but roll out was crazy with the 2i

-launched lower, and seemed like a perfect trajectory for the wind

-I found the toe side to be more forgiving distance and line-wise than the heel

-misses were far less catastrophic than my 5 wood

-I found when I over-swung, launch went up and the ball went left, but a nice easy swing got the stinger-type shot I was hoping for without the stinger-type swing that I have not mastered.

 

Can't wait to try these out on Wednesday. I'll add on-course thoughts after that!

Ok! So, to add to my driving range thoughts....

 

639mb:

 

I did not have my best swing to be sure. I used mostly off the tee, which highlighted something - I lost quite a bit of distance missing high on the face. I find even my Vokey PW to be more forgiving vertically. I will quickly learn to tee my ball as low as possible! (I got away with it before). As for left to right, I found misses still traveled the right distance which is encouraging! Final note on the all black - it looks fantastic, but when we were playing our final par 3 after the sun had set, it was like I was holding an invisible club! All I could see was the ball.

 

699u pro 2i:

 

This is a weapon. As I saw at the range, this thing moves forward with some serious purpose. The key for me is to set up (ball position, shaft lean, etc) like a 6 iron. If i start pretending I can play it forward and try to bomb it it doesn't work well for me. The penetrating ball flight also lends itself well to slight misses as the ball simply doesn't have time to turn left or right much before landing safely. I'm looking forward to having this option in my bag long term!

 

Hope to read more feedback from other guys trying these out!

[pdxhak]

3 hours ago, rondre3000 said:

For my demo orders, I did not receive tracking info from Sub70. I got tracking info from the shipping carrier.

 

Thanks. I have only received the order number from Sub70. Good to know the shipper will notify me when it has been shipped.

[Rbsiedsc]

Man, i really hope my PXG 0211s hold up well for me otherwise i may have to sell and grab these beauties...

 

I do have their 3 hybrid and love it.

Edited September 17, 2020 by Rbsiedsc

[Thamel90]

I tried 0211 myself and couldn't get along with them. Liking my 699 so far though. 

 

I just got my 3 hybrid myself, hoping for good things. Definitely like the adjustability

[VA_Astra]

So before I post up a full review, ill post up some quick thoughts. I have my member/guest next week so im spending time with my primary clubs now getting ready.

 

Now that I have had them outside, hit them and in the daylight...Irons are bigger than my Mav pro's, but next to my Gen 1 PXG's they are similar. The pros and the t's are very similar (almost like had the same influence on this...ex ping cough, cough)

 

The non-pro are larger than the 0311's and more offset. The irons have a curved front edge that doesnt quite work with my eye, it is a bit different for sure.

 

Let me preface this by saying I have SSx1 Flighted PX 6.0's in my Mav's and PXG's. Trying to smooth out my swing a little I put Flighted 5.5's straight in on the Sub 70's. Same specs as others (checked on my Mitchell)

 

Feel and flight off of these were not what I was expecting, but will hold judgement until after Member/Guest when I can put the same shafts in them. Visually, larger than expected, dont be scared of the "Pro" logo on them! Do over, id get entire set Pro to get rid of some offset.

 

More to come for sure. I want to give these a good run against others...apples to apples.

 

[Myherobobhope]

9 hours ago, VA_Astra said:

 

More to come for sure. I want to give these a good run against others...apples to apples

Looking forward to hearing more about them! Good luck in the Member Guest! If it's anything like the ones I've played in, staying sober gives you like a 4 stroke advantage... 

[Godfather]

I am demoing 639 CB irons now with KBS Tour 120 (stiff) shafts. This shaft was my top recommendation from using the Mizuno Shaft Analyzer. It appears to be a great fit.

 

I am gaming Bridgestone J15 CB irons with DG Pro shafts and could move to the 639 CB without missing a beat. Even though the Bridgestones are D3 and the Sub 70s are D1, they still felt familiar. D1 seems to be more common now across brands as companies have moved a shade lighter than 5 years ago. I really enjoyed the feel of the shaft and the heads had nice pop - feel and sound. Biggest adjustment would be the look of a little more offset on the 639 CB even though the specs don’t agree with that visual. Anyway, great sticks and the customization is amazing with endless options.
 

I’m now anxiously awaiting the 699 Pro to demo and have ideas of a combo set. 

[VA_Astra]

22 minutes ago, Myherobobhope said:

Looking forward to hearing more about them! Good luck in the Member Guest! If it's anything like the ones I've played in, staying sober gives you like a 4 stroke advantage... 

Thanks, first one at the new club, but hitting the ball well right now. Goal is to at least be in the mix.

[Myherobobhope]

4 minutes ago, VA_Astra said:

Thanks, first one at the new club, but hitting the ball well right now. Goal is to at least be in the mix.

I've always found Member Guests to be weird experiences... depends on the club and the guests, I guess... 

 

My dad and I played in one a few years back where a team basically left after the rounds on Friday, went to a concert in St Louis (from Louisville) and showed back up at the course still drunk and having not slept... We had played a close match with them the day before, and they proceeded to lose something like 16 holes the next day. That was somewhat of a bummer. 

 

All you can do is play well! We kept another team out of the playoff because neither my dad nor I stopped trying... He sunk an 8 footer for par on our last hole to keep them out. They were PISSED. 

[squish45]

1 minute ago, Myherobobhope said:

I've always found Member Guests to be weird experiences... depends on the club and the guests, I guess... 

 

My dad and I played in one a few years back where a team basically left after the rounds on Friday, went to a concert in St Louis (from Louisville) and showed back up at the course still drunk and having not slept... We had played a close match with them the day before, and they proceeded to lose something like 16 holes the next day. That was somewhat of a bummer. 

 

All you can do is play well! We kept another team out of the playoff because neither my dad nor I stopped trying... He sunk an 8 footer for par on our last hole to keep them out. They were PISSED. 

 

That sounds, odd. I think it's pretty normal for people to try throughout the whole tournament in a Member/Guest. Seems like you just had a weird experience.

[Myherobobhope]

2 minutes ago, squish45 said:

 

That sounds, odd. I think it's pretty normal for people to try throughout the whole tournament in a Member/Guest. Seems like you just had a weird experience.

Yeah, it definitely was... I've played at other clubs where it was more fun and there were less drunken shenanigans... I'm over member guests, right now... if I gain a golf buddy who ISN'T a member at my club, I'd probably do it again... but I'd rather play non-competitive faster rounds with my dad when given the chance.

[NRJyzr]

1 hour ago, Myherobobhope said:

Yeah, it definitely was... I've played at other clubs where it was more fun and there were less drunken shenanigans... I'm over member guests, right now... if I gain a golf buddy who ISN'T a member at my club, I'd probably do it again... but I'd rather play non-competitive faster rounds with my dad when given the chance.

Some of what you're describing is why I've not joined the Men's Club at my course (public course, if that matters).  I'm not sure I'd be too excited about some of the guys in the club, they take things a little too seriously.  I've heard there are even some Seve wannabees (gamesmanship).  

 

Don't have much time for that crap.

[Godfather]

2 hours ago, Godfather said:

I am demoing 639 CB irons now with KBS Tour 120 (stiff) shafts. This shaft was my top recommendation from using the Mizuno Shaft Analyzer. It appears to be a great fit.

 

I am gaming Bridgestone J15 CB irons with DG Pro shafts and could move to the 639 CB without missing a beat. Even though the Bridgestones are D3 and the Sub 70s are D1, they still felt familiar. D1 seems to be more common now across brands as companies have moved a shade lighter than 5 years ago. I really enjoyed the feel of the shaft and the heads had nice pop - feel and sound. Biggest adjustment would be the look of a little more offset on the 639 CB even though the specs don’t agree with that visual. Anyway, great sticks and the customization is amazing with endless options.
 

I’m now anxiously awaiting the 699 Pro to demo and have ideas of a combo set. 

To follow up on this comparison, here are a few pics:

 

 

[rondre3000]

Is that glare, or did the bottom of the Sub70 club wear thru the original black finish?

[Thamel90]

Got my 699s 5-W checked at my local club fitter. Lofts were 26, 29, 33, 37, 41, 46. Lies were 57.5, 58.5, 59, 60, 61, 62.5. So, flatter than ordered, and weaker loft in pretty much every club. But $93 a club shipped with my shaft and grip is hard to match

 

[squish45]

1 hour ago, rondre3000 said:

Is that glare, or did the bottom of the Sub70 club wear thru the original black finish?

I'm hoping finish wear. One of the things I like about black finish club heads is how they will wear over time. Call me weird but people play raw heads and let them rust for the same reason.

[Godfather]

1 hour ago, rondre3000 said:

Is that glare, or did the bottom of the Sub70 club wear thru the original black finish?

Slightly worn away, but more than it appears with the glare. It’s a demo club so I’m sure it’s seen a ton of use. In that pic I wanted to show the similar leading edge relief on both clubs. The wear and glare is along this leading edge relief. 

Edited September 18, 2020 by Godfather

[pdxhak]

I really like the look of the 639 CB. They have a little more offset than my current irons but doubt it will be an issue. I plan to demo them after the 699 Pros.

 

[chocolate_rehab]

Ordered a short set (6-PW) of the 699 Pros in black. I've always wanted black irons, figured this would be a fun and inexpensive way to play with a black set. I'm going to give them a try tomorrow, they look sweet and the price was right! Got them with KBS TGI shafts (special order) and my preferred Pure Pro grips.

 

I'll give a quick review on them tomorrow.

 

Edited September 19, 2020 by chocolate_rehab

[VA_Astra]

29 minutes ago, chocolate_rehab said:

Ordered a short set (6-PW) of the 699 Pros in black. I've always wanted black irons, figured this would be a fun and inexpensive way to play with a black set. I'm going to give them a try tomorrow, they look sweet and the price was right! Got them with KBS TGI shafts (special order) and my preferred Pure Pro grips.

 

I'll give a quick review on them tomorrow.

 

 

Def look better in black IMO...when they are new at least ?

[VA_Astra]

11 hours ago, Godfather said:

To follow up on this comparison, here are a few pics:

 

 

 

The CB looks good. I got the 699 trying to find something to compete against the Mav Pros, but those look nasty!

[Myherobobhope]

11 hours ago, chocolate_rehab said:

Ordered a short set (6-PW) of the 699 Pros in black. I've always wanted black irons, figured this would be a fun and inexpensive way to play with a black set. I'm going to give them a try tomorrow, they look sweet and the price was right! Got them with KBS TGI shafts (special order) and my preferred Pure Pro grips.

 

I'll give a quick review on them tomorrow.

 

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