Swing Speed Guidance

[dlc1914]

On 7/21/2022 at 9:29 AM, heavy_hitter said:

88 is a little bit above average.  The kids winning at 12 are going to be 95-105.

 

Is this chart from Finn?

[ezra76]

Sheesh. My kid just did a little golf camp and at 8yrs. old he's at 63mph.. He won that drive/chip/putt driving portion with 3 in a row on a dinner plate at 120. Skeptical about trying to add speed and mess up his tempo so I'll leave that in the hands of a coach, which I think we are going to have after camp last week. 

 

 

Edited July 23, 2022 by ezra76

[heavy_hitter]

On 7/23/2022 at 7:44 AM, dlc1914 said:

Is this chart from Finn?

Yes.  Par4success

[heavy_hitter]

On 7/23/2022 at 8:20 AM, ezra76 said:

Sheesh. My kid just did a little golf camp and at 8yrs. old he's at 63mph.. He won that drive/chip/putt driving portion with 3 in a row on a dinner plate at 120. Skeptical about trying to add speed and mess up his tempo so I'll leave that in the hands of a coach, which I think we are going to have after camp last week. 

 

 

No reason to add speed at 8.  Weights don't mess up tempo, Super Speeds or any other swing speed program does.

[kekoa]

On 7/21/2022 at 6:29 AM, heavy_hitter said:

88 is a little bit above average.  The kids winning at 12 are going to be 95-105.

 

Any 12yr olds who swing that fast are definitely in the puberty stages.

[heavy_hitter]

1 hour ago, kekoa said:

Any 12yr olds who swing that fast are definitely in the puberty stages.

Same thing happens in every sport at 12.

 

[TripleBogeysrbetter]

17 hours ago, heavy_hitter said:

Same thing happens in every sport at 12.

 

kinda of like the little league world series.  All the 12yos that are hitting that stage well before others.

[Rob DeHaven]

Have you found particular weight exercises that are more beneficial to help with golf?

[heavy_hitter]

1 hour ago, Rob DeHaven said:

Have you found particular weight exercises that are more beneficial to help with golf?

I think everyone will have a different prescription that works for them.  Olympic Style lifts are going to be the most beneficial for everyone.  Squat, Clean, Snatch, Deadlift, and Throw in the bench press as well.  You have to put in stability and mobility exercises as well to prevent injury.  My recommendation is to seek someone with TPI experience.

[TripleBogeysrbetter]

23 hours ago, Rob DeHaven said:

Have you found particular weight exercises that are more beneficial to help with golf?

We worked with 1 on 1 with a virtual trainer that has helped even into college.  Son was lightyears ahead of the other freshman.  He is  a gym rat as well.

 

If you want the trainers info. DM me.

[Rob DeHaven]

9 hours ago, TripleBogeysrbetter said:

We worked with 1 on 1 with a virtual trainer that has helped even into college.  Son was lightyears ahead of the other freshman.  He is  a gym rat as well.

 

If you want the trainers info. DM me.

I have a good friend that owns a local gym and she knows her stuff was just wondering what exercises you all noticed made the greatest improvement for the swing. My son is 9 so we are just getting started with this. I’ll message you next. Thanks. 

[leezer99]

12 hours ago, Rob DeHaven said:

I have a good friend that owns a local gym and she knows her stuff was just wondering what exercises you all noticed made the greatest improvement for the swing. My son is 9 so we are just getting started with this. I’ll message you next. Thanks. 

At 9 you just need athletic fun.  Sprint, jump and climb trees.

[heavy_hitter]

15 hours ago, Rob DeHaven said:

I have a good friend that owns a local gym and she knows her stuff was just wondering what exercises you all noticed made the greatest improvement for the swing. My son is 9 so we are just getting started with this. I’ll message you next. Thanks. 

Agree with @leezer99

[TripleBogeysrbetter]

4 hours ago, heavy_hitter said:

Agree with @leezer99

100% with both. 

All three of my kids were at the playground before they could walk.  They ran up and down after they could.  Jumping, climbing, throwing whatever.  The body will develop given the  chance.

[buckeyefl]

Most definitely. Far too much specialization at young ages these days.

[DevilDog]

On 3/11/2019 at 3:24 AM, Tigerswag said:

I sort of agree. 🙂

 

My son is 15....so....speed stick training could be impacting 10-12 year olds more than a few years ago. My son was considered ‘long’ for a 12yo. He would hit his driver 210-230. There were alway outliers at worlds or future masters....but, rarely did he encounter longer players on a regional level.

 

If it helps he has consistently been one of the longer players for his age.

 

12 years old 82 mph SS

13 broke 100

14 105

15 112

 

These numbers are from trackman

 

I can only imagine the swing speed progression of the above speeds.

Pretty much the same track my son was on as a junior (starts college golf this fall).  Typically around age 14 swing speed starts going up.  At 14, my son was around 105 as well.  Now at 18  up to 125.  Now if I can just get his head straight!!

[heavy_hitter]

On 8/1/2022 at 11:40 AM, DevilDog said:

Pretty much the same track my son was on as a junior (starts college golf this fall).  Typically around age 14 swing speed starts going up.  At 14, my son was around 105 as well.  Now at 18  up to 125.  Now if I can just get his head straight!!

It is absolutely crazy the swing speeds juniors have now.  PGA Tour Average is 114.  I guarantee the average swing speed for juniors moving on to play collegiate golf at the D1-D3 levels are over 114.  My kid going into his senior year is right on 118.  After HS season he will take off November to January and focus on his body.  It will be nothing to get it to 120 over those 3 months.

Edited August 2, 2022 by heavy_hitter

[leezer99]

20 minutes ago, heavy_hitter said:

It is absolutely crazy the swing speeds juniors have now.  PGA Tour Average is 114.  I guarantee the average swing speed for juniors moving on to play collegiate golf at the D1-D3 levels is over 114.  My kid going into his senior year is right on 118.  After HS season he will take off November to January and focus on his body.  It will be nothing to get it to 120 over those 3 months.

Average swing speed for winners has been 119 this year. 

[TripleBogeysrbetter]

8 hours ago, leezer99 said:

Average swing speed for winners has been 119 this year. 

My ball speed is at 120 now.  That has to count for something. 😉

[DevilDog]

23 hours ago, heavy_hitter said:

It is absolutely crazy the swing speeds juniors have now.  PGA Tour Average is 114.  I guarantee the average swing speed for juniors moving on to play collegiate golf at the D1-D3 levels are over 114.  My kid going into his senior year is right on 118.  After HS season he will take off November to January and focus on his body.  It will be nothing to get it to 120 over those 3 months.

Went to watch son play in an event and the kids all bombed it.  All of them.  Instruction is better, equipment is better and they are taught to rip it.  If your son is on 118, he will be 125 range soon.  D1 schools all recruit distance.  Want kids who can crush it.  Good luck to him in his senior season!  

[heavy_hitter]

2 hours ago, DevilDog said:

Went to watch son play in an event and the kids all bombed it.  All of them.  Instruction is better, equipment is better and they are taught to rip it.  If your son is on 118, he will be 125 range soon.  D1 schools all recruit distance.  Want kids who can crush it.  Good luck to him in his senior season!  

D1 schools and D2 schools all want kids that can crush it.  The issue of the class of 2023 is the intersection of extra Covid years and the Transfer Portal.  It has killed recruiting for this class.  Kids that are mid major D1's in terms of previous years rankings aren't even getting sniffs from D2 schools.  This isn't even golf related, it is across the board in all sports.  

[DevilDog]

Heavy Hitter you are spot on with how Covid and the extra year of eligibility really crushed kids coming out of high school. My son was told by several coaches they wanted him but didn’t have scholarships due to this. Wound up finding a school he loved and a coach he really liked. Got lucky. 

[MahalNeneng]

What we did for ours was he started pushing his own cart at 8, have him eat right, practice and they will develop. Were a bit crazy to everyone around us but weights at 8 years old............. not so sure about that.

 

Just went and looked up some history. 8 years old for our son we ordered a new driver not US Kids and told the maker that "He was carrying his us kids about 77-90 yards" and that he was too short to move up in US Kids shafts without modification. FLYNN GOLF VT MAX | Junior Golf Clubs Shafts Grips (flynn-golf.com) was where he got his.

[heavy_hitter]

13 minutes ago, rpawly said:

What we did for ours was he started pushing his own cart at 8, have him eat right, practice and they will develop. Were a bit crazy to everyone around us but weights at 8 years old............. not so sure about that.

 

Just went and looked up some history. 8 years old for our son we ordered a new driver not US Kids and told the maker that "He was carrying his us kids about 77-90 yards" and that he was too short to move up in US Kids shafts without modification. FLYNN GOLF VT MAX | Junior Golf Clubs Shafts Grips (flynn-golf.com) was where he got his.

 

Come on man.  Gotta lift as soon as you walk.

[MahalNeneng]

23 minutes ago, heavy_hitter said:

 

Come on man.  Gotta lift as soon as you walk.

Nice, didnt find any weights but we did work on flexibility at the 9 years old range:

Edited August 18, 2022 by rpawly

[MahalNeneng]

I did find this from 11 years old and 1 month. Have no idea if its the norm but today hes 5'6 150 pounds and carries 290-95

 

 

[MB19]

Bumping this thread for 2024 commentary.

 

 

[ezra76]

Chiming in after the bump. My son is now 10 and at 72-73mph. Still has the good accuracy.

 

We are going to get a little more serious this year. He's got a great junior league coach, former D1 and minitour player and just won pga instructor of the year up here. My son had a lesson a few days ago and got a little fire under his butt. Keeping it fun but knowing he has a lot of natural talent. Coach wants him to start doing some NEPGA junior events this year to get his feet wet.

 

I've started playing him for robucks vs chores 1stroke a hole and he smoked me 3/2 then hit driver/wedge 2 putt par on 8 for an exclamation point. 😁 

 

I'm really not worried about him keeping up with swing speeds until he's hit puberty. He's playing all ladies shafts and handling ladies tees appropriately. He can strike irons better than any kid in the limited pool we've seen with 7i as 100yd. club. He hits an 18* 5w and DoD routinely into par 5's. 

[MB19]

55 minutes ago, ezra76 said:

Chiming in after the bump. My son is now 10 and at 72-73mph. Still has the good accuracy.

 

We are going to get a little more serious this year. He's got a great junior league coach, former D1 and minitour player and just won pga instructor of the year up here. My son had a lesson a few days ago and got a little fire under his butt. Keeping it fun but knowing he has a lot of natural talent. Coach wants him to start doing some NEPGA junior events this year to get his feet wet.

 

I've started playing him for robucks vs chores 1stroke a hole and he smoked me 3/2 then hit driver/wedge 2 putt par on 8 for an exclamation point. 😁 

 

I'm really not worried about him keeping up with swing speeds until he's hit puberty. He's playing all ladies shafts and handling ladies tees appropriately. He can strike irons better than any kid in the limited pool we've seen with 7i as 100yd. club. He hits an 18* 5w and DoD routinely into par 5's. 

10 has been a fun year for my son, and we're one month from 11.  His SS has climbed about 10%, which is a similar increase he experienced from nine to 10.

 

Much respect for kids who can hit DoD, my kids aren't that adventurous yet. 🤣

[bk1]

What club is typically used to measure Swing Speed?  Im assuming you want to get a typical shot, and not when they are swinging "out of their shoes"