What up with Jordan?

[airjammer]

 

Where is the mob? As far as I am concerned this is way worse than Sergio’s incident because Sergio pures it and Jordan sprays and prays so he should be used to it by now?

[bladehunter]

> @airjammer said:

>

>

> Where is the mob? As far as I am concerned this is way worse than Sergio’s incident because Sergio pures it and Jordan sprays and prays so he should be used to it by now?

 

Worse than throwing your club at your caddie ? Or throwing a shoe a fans ? Or spitting in the cup ? Or what ?

 

I say that not hating Sergio at all.

[airjammer]

Well I have much preferred all of those compared to hit fans with golf balls but to each their own

[Choclab]

I'm sure it's been discussed plenty but I only went back several pages. Is McCormick really that good a teacher? Or was did he just happen to be the pro at the club where Jordan grew up? It's funny to see the coach of a player who has one of the worst swings on tour doing half-hour instructional shows on Golf Channel. Feels like he got famous off one player who was born with an amazing short game.

 

Anyway, my thought is he definitely needs a new teacher. Jordan seems like such a nice guy, it's probably hard for him to fire a longtime teacher and friend. But sometimes that has to be done.

[johnseg]

> @Choclab said:

> I'm sure it's been discussed plenty but I only went back several pages. Is McCormick really that good a teacher? Or was did he just happen to be the pro at the club where Jordan grew up? It's funny to see the coach of a player who has one of the worst swings on tour doing half-hour instructional shows on Golf Channel. Feels like he got famous off one player who was born with an amazing short game.

>

> Anyway, my thought is he definitely needs a new teacher. Jordan seems like such a nice guy, it's probably hard for him to fire a longtime teacher and friend. But sometimes that has to be done.

 

I am not sure that really has anything to do with his struggles. YJS made it to the Tour with his game. Sometimes these guys feel like they need to change to be able to compete consistently. Look at TW. He was not going to be beat with Swing #1 but he thought is needed to be changed. He changed and won more. Then he thought he needed to change again which he did and continued to win. There isn't a coach out there that convince these guys they could be harming their game by searching. Most of these top guys just need to get out of their own way and play their game instead of searching for a different game.

[Choclab]

> @johnseg said:

 

> I am not sure that really has anything to do with his struggles. YJS made it to the Tour with his game. Sometimes these guys feel like they need to change to be able to compete consistently. Look at TW. He was not going to be beat with Swing #1 but he thought is needed to be changed. He changed and won more.

 

That's the difference. Tiger changed from one sound swing that worked to another sound swing that worked. Jordan's new swing is horrendous, obviously. You aren't #200 or whatever in ballstriking with a good swing.

 

IOW, the problem isn't changing. It's what your swing changes into. To me it's obvious that McCormick isn't the one to oversee these changes... unless Jordan is ignoring everything he says, which seems highly unlikely.

 

 

[Krt22]

Jordan did try to make a change, his weird weak grip hold off chicken wing wasn't optimal for distance so he has been trying to address that. His length for his size is pretty bad, yet his SG off the tee was the best in his first full year on tour where he was also the shortest (and straightest). This year it just completely nose dived, clearly stuck in some middle area trying not to hit foul balls.

 

2013 SG off the tee-7th, Distance-289

2018 SG off the tee-50th, Distance 299

2019 SG off the tee-184th, Distance 295

[KRAMER1997]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Z1m5Kp_x3A

 

Maybe he just needs to hit less drivers.

[Babydaddy]

> @Krt22 said:

> Jordan did try to make a change, his weird weak grip hold off chicken wing wasn't optimal for distance so he has been trying to address that. His length for his size is pretty bad, yet his SG off the tee was the best in his first full year on tour where he was also the shortest (and straightest). This year it just completely nose dived, clearly stuck in some middle area trying not to hit foul balls.

>

> 2013 SG off the tee-7th, Distance-289

> 2018 SG off the tee-50th, Distance 299

> 2019 SG off the tee-184th, Distance 295

was a straight driver of the golf ball because he had a stable face through impact. the chicken wing was the move of a genius and the results show that.

Trying to become more "orthodox" hoping to find 15-20 yards has killed more careers than it has helped.

 

 

[braincramp52]

> @airjammer said:

> Well I have much preferred all of those compared to hit fans with golf balls but to each their own

 

Fans get hit by stray shots all the time. What are you talking about?

[Krt22]

> @Babydaddy said:

> > @Krt22 said:

> > Jordan did try to make a change, his weird weak grip hold off chicken wing wasn't optimal for distance so he has been trying to address that. His length for his size is pretty bad, yet his SG off the tee was the best in his first full year on tour where he was also the shortest (and straightest). This year it just completely nose dived, clearly stuck in some middle area trying not to hit foul balls.

> >

> > 2013 SG off the tee-7th, Distance-289

> > 2018 SG off the tee-50th, Distance 299

> > 2019 SG off the tee-184th, Distance 295

> was a straight driver of the golf ball because he had a stable face through impact. the chicken wing was the move of a genius and the results show that.

> Trying to become more "orthodox" hoping to find 15-20 yards has killed more careers than it has helped.

>

>

 

It was a bandaid and a power leak.

[bscinstnct]

Should go see Butch Harmon.

[Babydaddy]

> @Krt22 said:

> > @Babydaddy said:

> > > @Krt22 said:

> > > Jordan did try to make a change, his weird weak grip hold off chicken wing wasn't optimal for distance so he has been trying to address that. His length for his size is pretty bad, yet his SG off the tee was the best in his first full year on tour where he was also the shortest (and straightest). This year it just completely nose dived, clearly stuck in some middle area trying not to hit foul balls.

> > >

> > > 2013 SG off the tee-7th, Distance-289

> > > 2018 SG off the tee-50th, Distance 299

> > > 2019 SG off the tee-184th, Distance 295

> > was a straight driver of the golf ball because he had a stable face through impact. the chicken wing was the move of a genius and the results show that.

> > Trying to become more "orthodox" hoping to find 15-20 yards has killed more careers than it has helped.

> >

> >

>

> It was a bandaid and a power leak.

 

Well- beauty is in the eye of the beholder- historically he has done a handful of things that technically require "compensations" - but he owned what he did and the crucible of major championship golf proved that in historic fashion.

I'll take the major championships and tournament wins and the laboratory can have it's supposed added 15 yards.

If technically perfect and aesthetically pleasing swings were the requirement for becoming a champion, you'd lose most of the hall of fame- it's more important to own your swing and trust it than anything else. Even if Jordan looked better on video and gained 15 yards, he still doesn't own that, and may never-

Conversely, tour ranges are littered with players that have very sound swings that took years to win a regular event-

 

[bladehunter]

> @airjammer said:

> Well I have much preferred all of those compared to hit fans with golf balls but to each their own

 

“ hit fans with golf balls “? Lol. Every tour player whose ever played has hit fans. Keopka blinded a lady last year. He’s #1 on earth. Try again.

[bladehunter]

> @Babydaddy said:

> > @Krt22 said:

> > Jordan did try to make a change, his weird weak grip hold off chicken wing wasn't optimal for distance so he has been trying to address that. His length for his size is pretty bad, yet his SG off the tee was the best in his first full year on tour where he was also the shortest (and straightest). This year it just completely nose dived, clearly stuck in some middle area trying not to hit foul balls.

> >

> > 2013 SG off the tee-7th, Distance-289

> > 2018 SG off the tee-50th, Distance 299

> > 2019 SG off the tee-184th, Distance 295

> was a straight driver of the golf ball because he had a stable face through impact. the chicken wing was the move of a genius and the results show that.

> Trying to become more "orthodox" hoping to find 15-20 yards has killed more careers than it has helped.

>

>

 

1000 %. Power is useless in the trees. Ask Phil.

[airjammer]

> @bladehunter said:

> > @airjammer said:

> > Well I have much preferred all of those compared to hit fans with golf balls but to each their own

>

> “ hit fans with golf balls “? Lol. Every tour player whose ever played has hit fans. Keopka blinded a lady last year. He’s #1 on earth. Try again.

 

Absolutely, they all do. If your life depended on it, who would you rather hit a tight driver tee shot Sergio or Jordan? I know who I would pick.

 

I use to like Jordan but his incessant crying about hitting it all over the course makes refuse to watch is group. I would rather watch Rham, Sergio or any other hot head blow up and never hear it again than the constant whining.

[c7015]

that trip they take every year is going to be a bummer this year, just hope whatever Smylie gave JS does not rub off on JT ... Rick seems to only have a mild case of it.

[bladehunter]

> @airjammer said:

> > @bladehunter said:

> > > @airjammer said:

> > > Well I have much preferred all of those compared to hit fans with golf balls but to each their own

> >

> > “ hit fans with golf balls “? Lol. Every tour player whose ever played has hit fans. Keopka blinded a lady last year. He’s #1 on earth. Try again.

>

> Absolutely, they all do. If your life depended on it, who would you rather hit a tight driver tee shot Sergio or Jordan? I know who I would pick.

>

> I use to like Jordan but his incessant crying about hitting it all over the course makes refuse to watch is group. I would rather watch Rham, Sergio or any other hot head blow up and never hear it again than the constant whining.

 

Again. I like Sergio Rahm and Jordan. But picking one to call a whiner and admonishing the other two is like calling in a fox a wolf and a German Shepherd and calling the German Shepard “ a predator “. Just wont work.

[johnseg]

> @Choclab said:

> > @johnseg said:

>

> > I am not sure that really has anything to do with his struggles. YJS made it to the Tour with his game. Sometimes these guys feel like they need to change to be able to compete consistently. Look at TW. He was not going to be beat with Swing #1 but he thought is needed to be changed. He changed and won more.

>

> That's the difference. Tiger changed from one sound swing that worked to another sound swing that worked. Jordan's new swing is horrendous, obviously. You aren't #200 or whatever in ballstriking with a good swing.

>

> IOW, the problem isn't changing. It's what your swing changes into. To me it's obvious that McCormick isn't the one to oversee these changes... unless Jordan is ignoring everything he says, which seems highly unlikely.

>

>

 

My point was it isn't the coach but the player that has to be able to make the change. As others have said there are a lot of ugly swings in the hall of fame. You have to swing your swing. If your swing is a weak grip chicken wing so be it.

[cardoustie]

own your own funky swing and go back to winning

[straightshot7]

He needs to take a long vacation and forget about golf for a while.

 

It's like when you stare at a problem for too long and can't even see the obvious answer.

 

Taking a break and resetting and coming back with a fresh mindset can work wonders.

[Babydaddy]

> @straightshot7 said:

> He needs to take a long vacation and forget about golf for a while.

>

> It's like when you stare at a problem for too long and can't even see the obvious answer.

>

> Taking a break and resetting and coming back with a fresh mindset can work wonders.

 

I actually agree!

[Krt22]

With the way he is playing, that break may come sooner than later. If he shits the bed this week he very well could drop out of the top 70 and get a few weeks off.

[airjammer]

> @bladehunter said:

> > @airjammer said:

> > > @bladehunter said:

> > > > @airjammer said:

> > > > Well I have much preferred all of those compared to hit fans with golf balls but to each their own

> > >

> > > “ hit fans with golf balls “? Lol. Every tour player whose ever played has hit fans. Keopka blinded a lady last year. He’s #1 on earth. Try again.

> >

> > Absolutely, they all do. If your life depended on it, who would you rather hit a tight driver tee shot Sergio or Jordan? I know who I would pick.

> >

> > I use to like Jordan but his incessant crying about hitting it all over the course makes refuse to watch is group. I would rather watch Rham, Sergio or any other hot head blow up and never hear it again than the constant whining.

>

> Again. I like Sergio Rahm and Jordan. But picking one to call a whiner and admonishing the other two is like calling in a fox a wolf and a German Shepherd and calling the German Shepard “ a predator “. Just wont work.

 

Now I call them both predators, I just prefer to have the king cobra just bite me and get it over with than a Boa slowly squeezing me to death

[41NAS]

Jordan not being in the President's Cup photo is jarring.

[bladehunter]

> @41NAS said:

> Jordan not being in the President's Cup photo is jarring.

 

In a way. But he doesn’t need to be there. i hope it’s the impetus he needs to snap into reality and seek a second opinion that has no vested interest. In other words not a yes man.

[Krt22]

Hmmm.

 

[80sFredriksson]

Well there goes his back too :(

[KRAMER1997]

> @Krt22 said:

> Hmmm.

>

No god please no GIFs - Get the best ...

giphy.com

[OldTomMorris]

> @Krt22 said:

> Hmmm.

>

 

It was 100% clear watching the footage clear they were just socialising but this is the internet so expect rumours.