Why not just move the tee on #13 to the left?

[3jacker]

That's what's so great about it. Generally it's often a 3 or 4, or a 6 or worse. Makes for great drama.

But... short irons into it are a bit much. Creates less drama. Back em up, make it like it used to be was much more exciting.

[gonewild]

Augusta National made an offer to Augusta CC a few years ago to buy a small piece of property just behind the 13th tee to lengthen it, but I guess an agreement wasn't reached.

[kizell]

> @Bluefan75 said:

> Some interesting points made on GC a few moments ago. Players walk up 12 feet from 12 green to 13 tee. Lower the tee box and all of a sudden those trees are a decision. Back it up a little bit, maybe shift the box 3 yards left, and you have a very different hole, without huge changes.

>

> I agree with the "par is an arbitrary number" argument, but this is a hole where you want to make a 4. You'll obviously take a 3, but 4 is the goal. It played 4.55 yesterday. So 4 was not as tough an ask. Bobby Jones said it should be a momentous decision to go for that green. It's not a decision anymore. Basically what needs to happen is guys need to be back to the hanging lie. How you get there is a discussion, but if you have a flat lie with an 8 iron in your hand....

 

Interesting thought, but it's way easier to move the tee box back than lower it. I don't like the idea of moving it further left though.

[golfortennis]

> @kizell said:

> > @Bluefan75 said:

> > Some interesting points made on GC a few moments ago. Players walk up 12 feet from 12 green to 13 tee. Lower the tee box and all of a sudden those trees are a decision. Back it up a little bit, maybe shift the box 3 yards left, and you have a very different hole, without huge changes.

> >

> > I agree with the "par is an arbitrary number" argument, but this is a hole where you want to make a 4. You'll obviously take a 3, but 4 is the goal. It played 4.55 yesterday. So 4 was not as tough an ask. Bobby Jones said it should be a momentous decision to go for that green. It's not a decision anymore. Basically what needs to happen is guys need to be back to the hanging lie. How you get there is a discussion, but if you have a flat lie with an 8 iron in your hand....

>

> Interesting thought, but it's way easier to move the tee box back than lower it. I don't like the idea of moving it further left though.

 

True, but this is ANGC. Very much a "so let it be written, so let it be done" group, especially with their own property.

[Roadking2003]

> @kizell said:

> > @BiggErn said:

> > I think if they let the first cut grow another inch it would affect play a lot. Guys hitting out of it now are still able to spin the ball however they like in most cases.

>

> > @Roadking2003 said:

> > > @kizell said:

> > > I think #13 is just fine. It does give an advantage to lefties but they still have to find the fairway.

> > I keep hearing that but why do you think lefties have an advantage?

> >

> >

>

> Firstly, the scoring stats don't lie....Bubba Watson and Mickelson torch that hole

A lot of right-handers also torch #13. So, quote the stats.

Mickelson and Watson are also long hitters. I suspect that has more to do with it than being left-handed.

> Secondly, it's because of the way modern drivers are built....it's hard to draw the ball but easy to fade it, and that's the perfect shot shape for a lefty on that hole.

Not buying that at all. Almost every right-handed pro on the course can hit a draw with a driver. Even I can hit a draw with my driver.