Anyone jumping on the Hogan bandwagon?

[JAMH03]

#PTx came out 2016 I'm pretty sure TK designed them as well as FW15's can anybody confirm? @the_wedge_guy? THX for any clarification.

[Cruisin1966]

> @"first tee" said:

> I love my PTx’s. Built to my specs. Unbelievable value.

 

Had a delivery today

 

[usmarine]

I just got my demo PTxPro 9 and 6 iron with Recoil 780 Smacwrap F4 shafts. After one range session I can give you this basic rundown as compared to my Apex CF16's with steel fiber i95 stiff irons.

 

Looks:

Irons look very nice and fit and finish is on par with comparable clubs. I am not a fan of the flat look of the face. This is just cosmetic and had no influence on performance as far as I could tell. Blade length is comparable to the Apex but sole width is narrower.

Performance:

This is tough due to the major difference in the shafts. I think the shaft is way to light for my taste. The club seemed to lack pop. It was very hard to tell exactly how they compared distance wise due to the wind blowing about 20 mph into me on the range. The flight was high and spinny. The irons feel good and sound good but into the wind they lacked penetration. I am sure it is the shafts as my steel fibers were going almost as high but carrying considerably further. I have no idea what the swing weight is on the Hogans. They may just need tweaked. I will conduct more testing on a day the wind is not quite so severe to reassess ball flight and carry.

Value:

I think this is where this set will find its stride. Coming in at almost $500 less than almost every forged iron I have looked at (except the Bridgestone irons) it is a winner on the value front.

 

I really appreciate the company allowing me to test these for a small fee. I hate buying via the monitor with no real world testing. My two cents.

[BMC]

These are not Hogans in the true sense. Earlier Hogans were special because of the designers they had, Ben Hogan's influence when he was alive, and those Hogan shafts.

That said, the Ft Worth 15s are great looking clubs.

[Cruisin1966]

> @usmarine said:

> I just got my demo PTxPro 9 and 6 iron with Recoil 780 Smacwrap F4 shafts. . . . I have no idea what the swing weight is on the Hogans.. . ..

 

Mine came in at D1

[mukster]

I’m interested in the new Ptx Pro irons. I am trying to not buy any more irons, but these are enticing :)

[tsecor]

try em out and let us know!!! I think you can demo some clubs> @mukster said:

> I’m interested in the new Ptx Pro irons. I am trying to not buy any more irons, but these are enticing :)

 

 

[tsecor]

I was interested in a putter and it seems as if people think the quality isn't as good since Bettinardi left the company.....do you guys think Bettinardi putters are worth $200 more than the hogans?

[Bad9]

> @tsecor said:

> I was interested in a putter and it seems as if people think the quality isn't as good since Bettinardi left the company.....do you guys think Bettinardi putters are worth $200 more than the hogans?

Bettinardi left his own company? He was never a part of the current Hogan incarnation.

 

[tsecor]

that's my point....since he isn't part of Hogan now, are the hogans lacking quality vs when he was making some for Hogan......id like a $2000 custom Bettinardi but it isn't in my budget> @Bad9 said:

> > @tsecor said:

> > I was interested in a putter and it seems as if people think the quality isn't as good since Bettinardi left the company.....do you guys think Bettinardi putters are worth $200 more than the hogans?

> Bettinardi left his own company? He was never a part of the current Hogan incarnation.

>

 

 

[JAMH03]

> @tsecor said:

> that's my point....since he isn't part of Hogan now, are the hogans lacking quality vs when he was making some for Hogan......id like a $2000 custom Bettinardi but it isn't in my budget> @Bad9 said:

> > > @tsecor said:

> > > I was interested in a putter and it seems as if people think the quality isn't as good since Bettinardi left the company.....do you guys think Bettinardi putters are worth $200 more than the hogans?

> > Bettinardi left his own company? He was never a part of the current Hogan incarnation.

> >

>

>

 

I believe the POINT is that it's a shot in the dark. Knowledge concerning the current design team seems to be in short supply. Value as always is relative. To me it speaks volumes that the company makes no claims of excellence, innovation, craftsmanship, materials nor results. Which are the standard for boutique brands. Several times in this thread people have harkened back to previous iterations of the line, and thats fine but without the team from 20 years ago, Callaway, Bettinardi, or T. Koehlers(sp) designs and marketing from a few years back, aside from the name what do we have? The people maybe great but its hard to know. The fact that no one is there to pick-up the phone for over a year might bother some people as well. HTHs YMMV.

[JAMH03]

FWIW I believe TK designed FW15's PTx irons, TK wedges, VTKR hybrids, maybe the fli-hi, and another of their iron sets but I dont know. Sorry if I've insulted anyones clubs.

[JonnyW02]

> @nichho said:

> Me.

> I looked into buying direct from Hogan for what I still believe is an incredible price compared to most major OEM's. My problem was the delivery charge to the UK and more importantly the import duty, made it prohibitive.

> The solution was to buy used, in this case from Global Golf. I received a 22* to 46* set (4 to PW) in very good condition for an excellent price. The import duty stung a bit but it appears to be worth it.

> I like them a lot. They are everything that Rick Sheils said they weren't. They are extremely forgiving on shots not quite flushed, they are fabulous to look at. They are as long as anything when you do hit it out of the screws and the dispersion is tighter than most I've used but I put that down to the KBS V110 Tours.

> Yes hit it off the toe and you will loose distance but that is always the case.

> I have a set of Miura PP9003 and Callaway Apex Pro 16, both practically new, both in the garage and on ebay (UK). The Hogans are in the bag, it will be interesting to see how long they stay there. The record is 13 months, Mizuno MP25, I had them up until last December.

 

Morning pal, I too have had the same dilemma. How much import duty did you end up having to pay? I'd love a set of these.

[Forged4ever]

> @Bad9 said:

> > @tsecor said:

> > I was interested in a putter and it seems as if people think the quality isn't as good since Bettinardi left the company.....do you guys think Bettinardi putters are worth $200 more than the hogans?

> Bettinardi left his own company? He was never a part of the current Hogan incarnation.

>

 

“Current Hogan incarnation” is the key wording as Betti was involved in the early 2000’s, way before Terry got involved, much less the “current incarnation,” from 2003 to either 2004 or 05, I forget exactly. In fact, in that short period, the “Hogan milled by Bettinardi” Big Ben BHB-7 putter snagged a Major as Jim Furyk


had one in the bag for his 2003 US Open victory(pictured, Internet, for sale $225)

 

Have a great weekend and for those celebrating, a Blessed Easter?

RP

[Nard_S]

My understanding is the new Hogan company, gets heads from China, but then does spec finish in Texas. This is how they offer strong, neutral and weak lofts per iron. So they may offer a gazillion options but they are building that off a standard base of heads.

 

I'm a huge fan of classic Hogan, have 2 sets of '99 Apex (technically not classic, but they did it true, Ben would approve) and have '92 Fort Worth's. I think Ben the designer was one of the greats.

[tsecor]

True. That is a good point. I just reached out to bettinardi about a putter. > @JAMH03 said:

> > @tsecor said:

> > that's my point....since he isn't part of Hogan now, are the hogans lacking quality vs when he was making some for Hogan......id like a $2000 custom Bettinardi but it isn't in my budget> @Bad9 said:

> > > > @tsecor said:

> > > > I was interested in a putter and it seems as if people think the quality isn't as good since Bettinardi left the company.....do you guys think Bettinardi putters are worth $200 more than the hogans?

> > > Bettinardi left his own company? He was never a part of the current Hogan incarnation.

> > >

> >

> >

>

> I believe the POINT is that it's a shot in the dark. Knowledge concerning the current design team seems to be in short supply. Value as always is relative. To me it speaks volumes that the company makes no claims of excellence, innovation, craftsmanship, materials nor results. Which are the standard for boutique brands. Several times in this thread people have harkened back to previous iterations of the line, and thats fine but without the team from 20 years ago, Callaway, Bettinardi, or T. Koehlers(sp) designs and marketing from a few years back, aside from the name what do we have? The people maybe great but its hard to know. The fact that no one is there to pick-up the phone for over a year might bother some people as well. HTHs YMMV.

 

> @JAMH03 said:

> > @tsecor said:

> > that's my point....since he isn't part of Hogan now, are the hogans lacking quality vs when he was making some for Hogan......id like a $2000 custom Bettinardi but it isn't in my budget> @Bad9 said:

> > > > @tsecor said:

> > > > I was interested in a putter and it seems as if people think the quality isn't as good since Bettinardi left the company.....do you guys think Bettinardi putters are worth $200 more than the hogans?

> > > Bettinardi left his own company? He was never a part of the current Hogan incarnation.

> > >

> >

> >

>

> I believe the POINT is that it's a shot in the dark. Knowledge concerning the current design team seems to be in short supply. Value as always is relative. To me it speaks volumes that the company makes no claims of excellence, innovation, craftsmanship, materials nor results. Which are the standard for boutique brands. Several times in this thread people have harkened back to previous iterations of the line, and thats fine but without the team from 20 years ago, Callaway, Bettinardi, or T. Koehlers(sp) designs and marketing from a few years back, aside from the name what do we have? The people maybe great but its hard to know. The fact that no one is there to pick-up the phone for over a year might bother some people as well. HTHs YMMV.

 

 

[PersimmonEra]

> @BottleCap said:

> It's not the same Hogan. The current iteration of Hogan is Scor, that wedge company run by Terry Kohler, bought the name from Callaway a few years back.

 

That is not correct. Callaway sold the Ben Hogan name to a clothing company and Koehler later convinced them to license him the Hogan name to produce clubs. His iteration went bankrupt in about two years. He is not with the current iteration.

[PersimmonEra]

> @JAMH03 said:

> #PTx came out 2016 I'm pretty sure TK designed them as well as FW15's can anybody confirm? @the_wedge_guy? THX for any clarification.

 

The Ptx were designeed during is tenure but not by him.

[PersimmonEra]

I have been gaming the Ptx for over 2 years now. I am all in with the Hogan brand.

[nichho]

> @JonnyW02 said:

> > @nichho said:

> > Me.

> > I looked into buying direct from Hogan for what I still believe is an incredible price compared to most major OEM's. My problem was the delivery charge to the UK and more importantly the import duty, made it prohibitive.

> > The solution was to buy used, in this case from Global Golf. I received a 22* to 46* set (4 to PW) in very good condition for an excellent price. The import duty stung a bit but it appears to be worth it.

> > I like them a lot. They are everything that Rick Sheils said they weren't. They are extremely forgiving on shots not quite flushed, they are fabulous to look at. They are as long as anything when you do hit it out of the screws and the dispersion is tighter than most I've used but I put that down to the KBS V110 Tours.

> > Yes hit it off the toe and you will loose distance but that is always the case.

> > I have a set of Miura PP9003 and Callaway Apex Pro 16, both practically new, both in the garage and on ebay (UK). The Hogans are in the bag, it will be interesting to see how long they stay there. The record is 13 months, Mizuno MP25, I had them up until last December.

>

> Morning pal, I too have had the same dilemma. How much import duty did you end up having to pay? I'd love a set of these.

 

£130, Some you win some you lose. I bought a Golf Buddy range finder from the states and it arrived minus import duty which made it an absolute bargain.

The import duty took a bit of the gloss off these but there are no regrets, especially as they are as rare as rocking horse poop over here. I'm playing like a dog at the moment, all aspects of the game are a struggle and confidence is shot so it's a constant fight. However it's a blip and I'm working really hard at getting it all together and in amongst all that are a few well struck iron shots, they are otherworldly. Distance from those good shots is phenomenal and they are genuinely workable.

All in all I am one happy chappy.

[BottleCap]

> @PersimmonEra said:

> > @BottleCap said:

> > It's not the same Hogan. The current iteration of Hogan is Scor, that wedge company run by Terry Kohler, bought the name from Callaway a few years back.

>

> That is not correct. Callaway sold the Ben Hogan name to a clothing company and Koehler later convinced them to license him the Hogan name to produce clubs. His iteration went bankrupt in about two years. He is not with the current iteration.

 

The Wedges and Ft Worth are a Terry Koehler product. Are the PTX and EDGE irons not Terry as well?

[Jack Pearsall]

Played Hogans during Reagan and Bush administrations. Also some In Clinton run.

They were US forged back then with sweet spots the size of a dime hitting balata balls....yardages? Use your eyes....

[thedurtydurden]

I've played FW15's for over 3 yrs now. Some of the best irons I've ever hit, and I love the Hi driving iron as well.

[JonnyW02]

> @nichho said:

> > @JonnyW02 said:

> > > @nichho said:

> > > Me.

> > > I looked into buying direct from Hogan for what I still believe is an incredible price compared to most major OEM's. My problem was the delivery charge to the UK and more importantly the import duty, made it prohibitive.

> > > The solution was to buy used, in this case from Global Golf. I received a 22* to 46* set (4 to PW) in very good condition for an excellent price. The import duty stung a bit but it appears to be worth it.

> > > I like them a lot. They are everything that Rick Sheils said they weren't. They are extremely forgiving on shots not quite flushed, they are fabulous to look at. They are as long as anything when you do hit it out of the screws and the dispersion is tighter than most I've used but I put that down to the KBS V110 Tours.

> > > Yes hit it off the toe and you will loose distance but that is always the case.

> > > I have a set of Miura PP9003 and Callaway Apex Pro 16, both practically new, both in the garage and on ebay (UK). The Hogans are in the bag, it will be interesting to see how long they stay there. The record is 13 months, Mizuno MP25, I had them up until last December.

> >

> > Morning pal, I too have had the same dilemma. How much import duty did you end up having to pay? I'd love a set of these.

>

> £130, Some you win some you lose. I bought a Golf Buddy range finder from the states and it arrived minus import duty which made it an absolute bargain.

> The import duty took a bit of the gloss off these but there are no regrets, especially as they are as rare as rocking horse **** over here. I'm playing like a dog at the moment, all aspects of the game are a struggle and confidence is shot so it's a constant fight. However it's a blip and I'm working really hard at getting it all together and in amongst all that are a few well struck iron shots, they are otherworldly. Distance from those good shots is phenomenal and they are genuinely workable.

> All in all I am one happy chappy.

 

Cheers for the reply. I'm currently gaming Scratch AR1 V2 with the matching wedges, hard to give those up as they are even more of a rare find over here but theres just something about those Hogan blades I love. Shame about the import duties we incur, makes every purchase a gamble! Hang in there with your game, I'm finding getting out at least twice a week is absolute key. Was lucky to play once a week there last season and it really showed every competition day.

 

 

[Kpkelsey]

Man, it's weird that this came up today. I just got back from playing a round with my 15 year old Hogan Edge set. Pulled them out on a whim and it was like hitting butter. Original grips on them still. Shot an 82 and those things were on target. I hit a beautiful fade with them every time. They aren't as long as my Pings but there's something very satisfying about using them. I may just keep them in the bag for a few weeks.

[tsecor]

I used to play these....I miss them

[Browns71213]

I guess my only question is if its a factory direct sales model how do you get fitted for them to know they are the right clubs for you?

[James the Hogan Fan]

> @Browns71213 said:

> I guess my only question is if its a factory direct sales model how do you get fitted for them to know they are the right clubs for you?

 

They tout a sort of demo program whereby you pay something like $20 and they send out a couple clubs for you to do with as you please (range, course sessions, etc.) and when you’re done you put them back in the box, slap on the return label they sent, and there you go. Sadly there is considerable backorder and not all the shafts are offered in the program...

 

[paystin]

I bought a set of the Fort Worth White irons about 6 months ago then added 50*,56* and 60* Equalizer wedges this month. Two Hi Utility irons are on the way this week. Great value and the clubs are well built. They are worth a shot if you want a something different than the big OEM's are making.

[maverickblue76]

The demo program is very easy and the PTx irons and Equalizer wedges are excellent. The prices are excellent. The only negative in my experience is the limited shaft offerings. Unless you play one of the shafts they offer you have no choice but to buy the clubs and reshaft, which negates the direct to consumer discount entirely.