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#Design your own irons, no restrictions.

What would you build and why? Which characteristics would you want in your personalized set?

Which numbered irons would you play? Which things would you take from previous iron sets and add to your 100% ideal iron set for you?

* Lofts?

* Composition?

* Finish?

* Shafts?

* Details?

* How would they play?

 

 

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I already did. Standard lofts, zero offset, killed LE, but most important: low head weight to get D5 swingweight at 2" over standard. Completely transformed my iron game.     ""![](https://s3.amazon

I'd like modernized s55's - stronger modern lofts - I want a low heel and high toe with SQUARE lines. No rounded toes and rounded leading edges FFS. Am I the only one? - less busy/badging so mor

The best thing that can be added to ANY iron head design is a weight port in the bottom of the hosel. Number one problem with building clubs these days is proper weighting with lightweight shafts.  

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I’m coming back to this later... I have some thoughts.

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I would love to actually build some irons. Merging a few designs that I liked. When I was young, I had played a set of TM progressives. PR1 I think they are designated. As you go to the long irons, the the club heads got shallower with a wider sole. I've never had a long iron that was so easy to hit. The other irons I remember fondly are the Wright IP blades. They were a closed cavity design, really clean looking. You could put modern material in there to manipulate the feel and provide a very soft feel.

 

So a fairly traditional compact blade shape with a closed cavity. Maintains the look of a traditional blade with some cavity back benefit. cast, 48* pw. At the 6 iron, the heads would start getting compressed a bit, so they shallow out with a slightly wider sole + more weight low. The 3 iron wouldn't be as extreme as the photo, but you get the idea. The end result would be a set of irons that are extremely playable "players set" with hybrid like forgiveness in the long irons, while still feeling more like a long iron.

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I'd like modernized s55's

- stronger modern lofts

- I want a low heel and high toe with SQUARE lines. No rounded toes and rounded leading edges FFS. Am I the only one?

- less busy/badging so more like the i500 and Blueprint design wise on the backside

- slightly longer face in the 6-7 mid-irons (I play around with blending in Rapture and Rapture J-specs here) EVERYONE IS BLENDING NOWADAYS, and not taking Jack Lalane and juicers

- make the 5 iron that matches the set like a thinner driving iron, a nice low offset transition from the 4h

- heavier tungsten toe weight

- satin finish (the old darker gray Guyson finish that was indestructible please)

- a little more heel and trailing edge relief

- graphite in 115g. Likely Fuji Pro shafts. Old guy problem

- sticking with my beloved sticky 2.3 iomics

Really I want the illegitimate dragon baby of a rapture J-spec and s55 that is a newer and revved up ... if that makes sense to anyone

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> @cardoustie said:

> I'd like modernized s55's

> - stronger modern lofts

> - I want a low heel and high toe with SQUARE lines. No rounded toes and rounded leading edges FFS. Am I the only one?

> - less busy/badging so more like the i500 and Blueprint design wise on the backside

> - slightly longer face in the 6-7 mid-irons (I play around with blending in Rapture and Rapture J-specs here) EVERYONE IS BLENDING NOWADAYS, and not taking Jack Lalane and juicers

> - make the 5 iron that matches the set like a thinner driving iron, a nice low offset transition from the 4h

> - heavier tungsten toe weight

> - satin finish (the old darker gray Guyson finish that was indestructible please)

> - a little more heel and trailing edge relief

> - graphite in 115g. Likely Fuji Pro shafts. Old guy problem

> - sticking with my beloved sticky 2.3 iomics

> Really I want the illegitimate dragon baby of a rapture J-spec and s55 that is a newer and revved up ... if that makes sense to anyone

 

Knew you would knock it out of the park, and at the same time I knew you would have your finger on the "pulse."

 

I'd imagine the vast majority of the answers are going to be in that range your talking about.

What looked to us when I started, what we aspire to, what's worked for us in the long past and whats worked for us recently and hopefully going forward. Maybe where the square toe preference comes in?

 

Then add a couple of features that have maybe been neglected by OEM's in their mid range to add more curb appeal and voila we're there. The kind of answers that many of us are going to give.

 

Example obviously the Guyson finish is great, presumably it was phased out because its doesn't bring people in like shiny chrome or other finishes I imagine.

 

@cardoustie What I learned quickly from your post is that OEM's may have an opportunity to sell us not only what we need but also what we want:

If they would just make their blended sets up front they could sell them like PGA player X blends at the 4-5 iron Amateur Y with your SS you may want to blend at 6-7 iron and here is why.... disclose fitting, data playing conditions etc all.

 

So sure they may need more GI long and mid irons but I'd think they'd be able to control inventory to some degree. We're only talking a couple of clubs and if they can predict demand, if most OEM's could inspire half the loyalty that Ping has with their performance, custom fitting and "indestucto" finishes I'd imagine they'd be ahead in the long run even if just hats, towels etc all. While the irons keep going and going.

 

Thank you!

 

 

 

 

 

 

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A modern groove and material version of this head, with the Srixon sole design. If you do not recognize this head it is the cobra reverse muscle head. Add a little tungsten to the toe or sole and call it a day. Lofts starting at 20 degrees for 3 iron to 47 with PW just spread them evenly between those.

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> @QuigleyDU said:

> six9fea1m06d.png

> A modern groove and material version of this head, with the Srixon sole design. If you do not recognize this head it is the cobra reverse muscle head. Add a little tungsten to the toe or sole and call it a day. Lofts starting at 20 degrees for 3 iron to 47 with PW just spread them evenly between those.

 

Tell me about the reverse muscle, please. How it performed etc. I only know Norman was pushing the cavities while he was playing blades.

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> @JAMH03 said:

> > @QuigleyDU said:

> > six9fea1m06d.png

> > A modern groove and material version of this head, with the Srixon sole design. If you do not recognize this head it is the cobra reverse muscle head. Add a little tungsten to the toe or sole and call it a day. Lofts starting at 20 degrees for 3 iron to 47 with PW just spread them evenly between those.

>

> Tell me about the reverse muscle, please. How it performed etc. I only know Norman was pushing the cavities while he was playing blades.

 

Well, the had the weight on top instead of the bottom. produced a very strong ball flight. They are pretty long in the tooth now. With current balls I am not sure many could get the 3 iron off the ground. Very square shaped.

 

I would also add, that it would be cool if they were raw heads.

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> @QuigleyDU said:

> > @JAMH03 said:

> > > @QuigleyDU said:

> > > six9fea1m06d.png

> > > A modern groove and material version of this head, with the Srixon sole design. If you do not recognize this head it is the cobra reverse muscle head. Add a little tungsten to the toe or sole and call it a day. Lofts starting at 20 degrees for 3 iron to 47 with PW just spread them evenly between those.

> >

> > Tell me about the reverse muscle, please. How it performed etc. I only know Norman was pushing the cavities while he was playing blades.

>

> Well, the had the weight on top instead of the bottom. produced a very strong ball flight. They are pretty long in the tooth now. With current balls I am not sure many could get the 3 iron off the ground. Very square shaped.

>

> I would also add, that it would be cool if they were raw heads.

 

If I remember correctly, they were actually designed by McGregor which means Don White probably had a hand in them. I could be wrong about that though.

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For me, I'd be looking at a Golden Ram Tour Grind, with front to back camber and some killed leading edge. Lofts would be 18* to 50* with even 4* gaps.

 

Shafts, I'm not sure. Super Peening Blue, maybe, or some form of mid to heavy graphite?

 

Pretty basic. :smiley:

 

edit: forgot about the offset. Yeah, none. As in, 986 Tour lack of offset.

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My set would look like the 8-PW MP-53s (i.e., without the cavity) or a left-handed MP-64 in 3-PW (21-49). I wouldn't mind having the actual lofts stamped on the soles but if not there would definitely be no G, A, U, etc. I don't believe in gap wedges. The finish would be the white satin from the limited edition MP-53s (the JPX900 Forgeds and Tours are the closest thing I've seen recently). They'd have KBS Tour 120s since I've been playing them for the last five years. A guy can dream ...

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This but more modern. Blunted lead edge and more front to back camber in the sole with modern lofts. Same square toe and clean flush square lead edge. This was my favorite blade I ever hit. I had a custom Macgregor Vfoil blade made to try to mimic these but the blade wasn’t as deep top to bottom. They were incredible blades though and I used them til the grooves wore flat.

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> @QuigleyDU said:

> > @QuigleyDU said:

> > > @JAMH03 said:

> > > > @QuigleyDU said:

> > > > six9fea1m06d.png

> > > > A modern groove and material version of this head, with the Srixon sole design. If you do not recognize this head it is the cobra reverse muscle head. Add a little tungsten to the toe or sole and call it a day. Lofts starting at 20 degrees for 3 iron to 47 with PW just spread them evenly between those.

> > >

> > > Tell me about the reverse muscle, please. How it performed etc. I only know Norman was pushing the cavities while he was playing blades.

> >

> > Well, the had the weight on top instead of the bottom. produced a very strong ball flight. They are pretty long in the tooth now. With current balls I am not sure many could get the 3 iron off the ground. Very square shaped.

> >

> > I would also add, that it would be cool if they were raw heads.

>

> If I remember correctly, they were actually designed by McGregor which means Don White probably had a hand in them. I could be wrong about that though.

 

Great recall Quigs??!!

 

It was Don White who first designed em for Norman based off of his VIP Pros, and they also had a thicker sole.

 

And yea, you’d better have some serious club head speed to hit those long irons, lolol

 

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I was privileged to know Don White. I was involved in inducting him into the PCS Clubmaker's Hall of Fame. A Master Grinder he is, but he is not a club designer. Don's forte was grinding blanks to suit the specific golf as in make the club look like they wanted it. Yes a Master in one respect but not a golf club

designer like say Tom Wishon.

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I wonder why squarer lines gave way to rounded ?

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A combo set that isn't comprised of 3 different head designs, but designed as a combo set. Something like a Nike VR Pro Combo. Satin finish ala Mizuno JPX900 Tours. Strong lofts, for me 2-3°. Designed for lower flight in shorter irons and higher flight in longer irons. Not boxy, but more square, higher toe is better. Minimal offset, like 0.5° to 3° from PW to 3i. Straighter looking leading edge with a Srixon heel/toe relief grind but I want a little bit of bounce, like R7 TP sole roll. Softer metal, not as soft as Cleveland CMM though. Long neck, deep hosels.

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Reverse muscle blade like the MacCobras. Squarer toe, no offset, slightly pre-worn leading edge. Lofts ranging from a 20* 2 iron to a 50* PW.

Stamping wise, I'd only do the respective iron number on the sole and a small "personal model" towards the toe. Otherwise completely clean. Satin finish, DG X100s without labels and victory cords to finish it off

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> I wonder why squarer lines gave way to rounded ?

Round seems to be the aesthetic now. With my Wilson K-28's 1st pic are of wilson staff I couldn't find a pic of my old ones. With these Wilsons though I could certainly see the square lines, seeming to maybe add some confidence or order to the look. Top line seems to resemble the lynx parallax that I've loved.

 

 

Check these pics out and note the Pingeye 2 played by the best player of the last 50 years.

 

2nd pic is Parallax face, which seems to resemble 3rd is S-55

 

 

 

 

 

 

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> I would love to actually build some irons. Merging a few designs that I liked. When I was young, I had played a set of TM progressives. PR1 I think they are designated. As you go to the long irons, the the club heads got shallower with a wider sole. I've never had a long iron that was so easy to hit. The other irons I remember fondly are the Wright IP blades. They were a closed cavity design, really clean looking. You could put modern material in there to manipulate the feel and provide a very soft feel.

>

> So a fairly traditional compact blade shape with a closed cavity. Maintains the look of a traditional blade with some cavity back benefit. cast, 48* pw. At the 6 iron, the heads would start getting compressed a bit, so they shallow out with a slightly wider sole + more weight low. The 3 iron wouldn't be as extreme as the photo, but you get the idea. The end result would be a set of irons that are extremely playable "players set" with hybrid like forgiveness in the long irons, while still feeling more like a long iron.

> hwv3zl760esa.jpg

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>

 

Whoa never seen those before. Obviously what's old is new.

 

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> I was privileged to know Don White. I was involved in inducting him into the PCS Clubmaker's Hall of Fame. A Master Grinder he is, but he is not a club designer. Don's forte was grinding blanks to suit the specific golf as in make the club look like they wanted it. Yes a Master in one respect but not a golf club

> designer like say Tom Wishon.

 

Huh?

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The best thing that can be added to ANY iron head design is a weight port in the bottom of the hosel. Number one problem with building clubs these days is proper weighting with lightweight shafts.

 

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I want a forged players CB that looks like a blade at address with ZERO offset. It definitely needs a smallish head with a thin topline. Some of the ideas of the GI category would be implemented. I would include a tad wider sole than the average forged MB or CB that can be used in various turf conditions, but also provide some of the benefits of a lower CG as well. Because of the lower CG, the head would include about 2-3 degrees of stronger loft. Because of the stronger lofts, I would include some of the techniques that TaylorMade has incorporated into the P7-TW to offset some of the reduced spin rates you see.

 

Right now, there isn't anything quite like what I'm envisioning on the market (that I know of). If you want minimal/zero offset and a beautiful look at address, you're stuck with minimal forgiveness. If you want that forgiveness, you start getting into bigger, clunkier head shapes and appearances that aren't very confidence inspiring to me. For example, the Mizuno JPX 919 Tours look pretty good, but the 919 Forged look unhittable to me, despite those even being on the player iron side of things. However, the 919 Tours still have more offset than I like to see.

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I'd love a set of 4-PW Titleist 718 AP2s with the profile, feel, and finish of a Mizuno JPX 919 Tour (except blade length of AP2) and p760/790 speed foam in the 4-5 irons. 1 deg strong and upright. Shaft would be a c-taper 130x that feels like a DG x100. D4 swing weight. TV full cord midsize align grip. Wish all of this was my setup.

 

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