913 D3 vs TS3 driver

[Cmoney710]

I have tried the 915 and 917 and still couldn’t get the performance of my 913 D3 head. Will I see big improvements with the TS3? Anyone in the same situation as me? I’d like to make the switch.

[bunta]

> @Cmoney710 said:

> I have tried the 915 and 917 and still couldn’t get the performance of my 913 D3 head. Will I see big improvements with the TS3? Anyone in the same situation as me? I’d like to make the switch.

 

Yes. _**If all things equal**_, the TS3 will give your better ball speed than previous gen - for MOST of us. How much you gain (and you probably will), will depend on your own swing. Majority of Titleist players on tour bagged the TS3 pretty much immediately.

[ssfranny]

C> @Cmoney710 said:

> I have tried the 915 and 917 and still couldn’t get the performance of my 913 D3 head. Will I see big improvements with the TS3? Anyone in the same situation as me? I’d like to make the switch.

 

 

Hmm have to say no.....not worth it more worth having a Bill Murray sighting

 

 

[srksi]

Having played 913, 915, and 917 d3 drivers I would say no. The 913 is as good as what’s out there. The 915 was not as good as the others in my view, but the 917 fixed whatever was wrong with that club. The ts3 is not really a logical next step for a d3 fan. I think Titleist made a mistake trying to force 460 on us and why the ts4 is coming, which should be a good spot for d3 fans to land. I did two fittings and both my instructor and the Titleist guys told me to stay put with 917 d3 driver and f3 wood.

[Jwoz09]

Ive had every titleist from 910 on. The 915 was the worst of the bunch with the 910 being the best in my opinion.

Rank em:

910

917

913

915

[edgerat]

I keep trying to kick my 913 out of the bag, it just won't budge. If I do my part, it does just fine.

[woods991]

1000% percent a upgrade just look at all of the Titleist pros, immediately made the change to the TS3. The club outright performs which is something that Titleist couldn't figure out for a number of years.

[Hat Trick]

I play the 913D3 and have SS of 96-97 mph. Just demoed the TS3 and gained about 6 yards - 226 to 232 carry. Now are those 6 yards worth $500?

[Exactice808]

Im going to give my $0.02

Was a 910D2 player a while, Got a 913D3 and immediately went back to my 910D2.

 

Got a little better and now I have a 915 D3 that I have been playing for 4 years now. The biggest change I have personally experienced and finding as a huge attribute.

 

Active Recoil channel (so this was the hot thing due to the speed slots, Nike did it, TM did it etc, and then Titleist did it.)

 

Oddly even though the transition from the D2 460 model was down to the D3 430 model, The Clubs forgiveness was similar, But the launch characteristic played better for the D3 model for me. It just seems that the D2 overall forgiveness was matched by the new recoil channel added to the 915/917 models. With that as I got better my misses were less and less penalized as prior years. So the ARC played a huge roll in in allowing me to play a lower spinning lower lofted 430cc club with a little help from the ARC

 

I know nothing about the TS3 per say but they removed the ARC, But kept it in the woods. They state that they moved the CG lower and back allowing them to remove the ARC. So honestly how the TS3 vs TS2 in terms of forgiveness will be a toss up as It assumes that they are just playing with CG now to accommodate spin players. BUT this is just a personal guess at this point.

 

IF you dont find anything good out of the 915/917 per my thoughts on the ARC...then the TS2/TS3 are just redesigned CG lowered and back 910/913's?

 

[DaRiz]

I played the 913D3 for a long time, several drivers and several handicap points ago. Unlikely you will see crazy ball speed increases (no driver will guarantee you that), although you never know until you try it out. If you are a high swing speed player you should definitely see a drop in spin though. As far as the ARC goes, I did find that to help low on the face with the 915 in terms of getting the ball up, but that also makes it spin. I really like that technology in the fairways/hybrid. However with the TS3 driver, hitting low on the face will be just fine. It won't give you any help on launch, but you won't lose any ballspeed, and the spin will be crazy low. I have had a TS3 for a couple months now and have hit a few squigglers really low and have been impressed by how it still carried and rolled to normal distance. Heel/toe forgiveness is also very good, if you are squared up, if you are not square, and also all over the face, this thing gets unforgiving very quickly (this is def not a Ping). I wouldn't say it is more or less forgiving than a 913 (even though Titleist says it is), but I definitely would say it is lower spin and thus longer (for me).

Bottom line: I got fit for a TS3 and beat my Ping G by 30 yards. I then kicked out my longstanding G25 FW for a TS2, and am about to kick out my longstanding 913H for a 818. That is how I feel about the new Titleist woods.

[bbiggs]

I played a 913 D3 for a while and it performed great. Switched to the 915 D2 and hated it. The shape and size of the head didn’t work for me and I found the 913 D3 to be more forgiving (strangely). My miss is not so much a toe or heel shot, but rather lower on the face, so the depth of the face on the D3 was better suited. Fast forward to now and I’m playing the TS3. I’m getting a better ball flight, carry and overall distance out of it. I think this driver will be in my bag for quite some time. The misses to me do not feel too punishing at all, but I’ve also been striking it well overall.

[Cmoney710]

Is it worth waiting for the TS4 or go with the TS3?

[ssp]

Did the 910 and 913 .... back to the 910 as previous guy mentioned. That being said I did a side by side with 910, 913, and TS3. I am getting about 8 yards on the trackman. Only played a couple of times on the course and I am a big fan so far. I think it is a minimum of 8 yards (I think). Tough to tell this time of year with conditions.

[cpeck]

what are some of the dislikes exactly about the 915? i’m playing that now with at 8.5 and i think it’s a nice club when well stuck in or around center. i have the 913 but it’s at 10.5, switching to the 9.5 gained me yards as i already have a high trajectory.

[Ashley Schaeffer]

FWIW, I was fit for a 917D3 when it came out. Loved it. When my pops got a full-bag fit this winter, I happened to have my 917D3 in the car and got fit for the TS3 against it on a whim. Definitely picked up a bit of ball speed on the sweet spot, but picked up a lot on off-center strikes versus the 917D3. While the center-to-center strike comparison wasn't worth the price, the average distance on all strikes was. 12 yards or so for me. Also, I've hit some high-toe-strike, low spin bombs on the actual course with the TS3 that no driver I've ever hit can come close to.

 

As an aside, I recently built a sim in my garage with a refurb GC2, and the results have been the same with 917D3 v. TS3 with the same shaft in both. Hope this helps.

[Cmoney710]

I have the 915 as well and then just used the upgraded shaft with the 913 head as I wasn’t getting the same performance from the 915

[bbiggs]

> @Cmoney710 said:

> I have the 915 as well and then just used the upgraded shaft with the 913 head as I wasn’t getting the same performance from the 915

 

The 915 wasn’t nearly as good as the 913 imo. I think they missed with the 915.

[Exactice808]

> @bunta said:

> > @Cmoney710 said:

> > I have tried the 915 and 917 and still couldn’t get the performance of my 913 D3 head. Will I see big improvements with the TS3? Anyone in the same situation as me? I’d like to make the switch.

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> Yes. _**If all things equal**_, the TS3 will give your better ball speed than previous gen - for MOST of us. How much you gain (and you probably will), will depend on your own swing. Majority of Titleist players on tour bagged the TS3 pretty much immediately.

 

Sorry to do this, but if I may questions how this is possible?

R&A governing rules has a 239ct unit maximum +/- 18ct units so that ULTRA max is 257ct units.

 

This has been established as the finalized ruling number currently, (prior was the .830 cor but that was not official)

If all things are equal, the driver MAX ball speeds are capped period.. by the 237ct units. NO driver can exceed this limit

so all things equal (Spin, launch, roll) there is no way that any driver 2007 to current is actually obtaining greater ball speed if all things are equal.

this again is @ 1.5 perfect smash factor.

 

NOW if you are stating that** across the face** on less than optimal strikes. Then Yes the TS2/3 models like many current generation drivers have done the best they could to widen the sweet spot to maintain max ball speed for less than optimal strikes.

 

But a 100mph swing with a 1.5 smash factor = 150mph ball speed is the best you are getting due to the 237ct unit +/-18 governing rule.

 

 

In my opinion the 915 was a hit or miss due to the sound. some people just did not like the sound. This then turned them off, as sounds is feel or vibrations so thus they felt terrible strikes or it did not feel as good of a strike. I admit, the 910D2 was the best sounding and feeling driver next to my 07 burner.....MUCH better and softer, but the 915 does go further due to it being a 8.5* vs 9.5* and also the lower spinning head has netted me more yard compared to the higher spinning heads of the 910D2 and 07 burner.

 

so a side caveat.... does or did your 913 "FEEL" better on strikes than the 915? I assume with the redesign of the TS2/3 models to get back to old sound and feel? It may be better preference for you?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Bobb3rdown]

I'm comparing my 917d2 to the ts3 right now. Like others have said. Maybe a few yards longer out of the middle. But seeing very constant ball speeds all over the face. Even low heel strikes are not a huge drop off. And it looks and sounds better then the 917 for sure.

[bunta]

> @Exactice808 said:

> > @bunta said:

> > > @Cmoney710 said:

> > > I have tried the 915 and 917 and still couldn’t get the performance of my 913 D3 head. Will I see big improvements with the TS3? Anyone in the same situation as me? I’d like to make the switch.

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> > Yes. _**If all things equal**_, the TS3 will give your better ball speed than previous gen - for MOST of us. How much you gain (and you probably will), will depend on your own swing. Majority of Titleist players on tour bagged the TS3 pretty much immediately.

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> Sorry to do this, but if I may questions how this is possible?

> R&A governing rules has a 239ct unit maximum +/- 18ct units so that ULTRA max is 257ct units.

>

> This has been established as the finalized ruling number currently, (prior was the .830 cor but that was not official)

> If all things are equal, the driver MAX ball speeds are capped period.. by the 237ct units. NO driver can exceed this limit

> so all things equal (Spin, launch, roll) there is no way that any driver 2007 to current is actually obtaining greater ball speed if all things are equal.

> this again is @ 1.5 perfect smash factor.

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> NOW if you are stating that** across the face** on less than optimal strikes. Then Yes the TS2/3 models like many current generation drivers have done the best they could to widen the sweet spot to maintain max ball speed for less than optimal strikes.

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> But a 100mph swing with a 1.5 smash factor = 150mph ball speed is the best you are getting due to the 237ct unit +/-18 governing rule.

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> In my opinion the 915 was a hit or miss due to the sound. some people just did not like the sound. This then turned them off, as sounds is feel or vibrations so thus they felt terrible strikes or it did not feel as good of a strike. I admit, the 910D2 was the best sounding and feeling driver next to my 07 burner.....MUCH better and softer, but the 915 does go further due to it being a 8.5* vs 9.5* and also the lower spinning head has netted me more yard compared to the higher spinning heads of the 910D2 and 07 burner.

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> so a side caveat.... does or did your 913 "FEEL" better on strikes than the 915? I assume with the redesign of the TS2/3 models to get back to old sound and feel? It may be better preference for you?

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i dont know anything about CT units and frankly i dont care. I took club A (917), hit 10 times. Same shaft, took club B (TS3), hit 10 times. This was done over 4 sessions on random days that i was bored over the course of a 3 weeks. On all 4 sessions, the TS3 was longer, better spin and straighter. Thats all i needed to know.

 

 

Same thing with my local club pro. and same thing with a friend in my sunday group along with most of the reviews ive seen.

[Exactice808]

> @bunta said:

> > @Exactice808 said:

> > > @bunta said:

> > > > @Cmoney710 said:

> > > > I have tried the 915 and 917 and still couldn’t get the performance of my 913 D3 head. Will I see big improvements with the TS3? Anyone in the same situation as me? I’d like to make the switch.

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> > > Yes. _**If all things equal**_, the TS3 will give your better ball speed than previous gen - for MOST of us. How much you gain (and you probably will), will depend on your own swing. Majority of Titleist players on tour bagged the TS3 pretty much immediately.

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> > Sorry to do this, but if I may questions how this is possible?

> > R&A governing rules has a 239ct unit maximum +/- 18ct units so that ULTRA max is 257ct units.

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> > This has been established as the finalized ruling number currently, (prior was the .830 cor but that was not official)

> > If all things are equal, the driver MAX ball speeds are capped period.. by the 237ct units. NO driver can exceed this limit

> > so all things equal (Spin, launch, roll) there is no way that any driver 2007 to current is actually obtaining greater ball speed if all things are equal.

> > this again is @ 1.5 perfect smash factor.

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> > NOW if you are stating that** across the face** on less than optimal strikes. Then Yes the TS2/3 models like many current generation drivers have done the best they could to widen the sweet spot to maintain max ball speed for less than optimal strikes.

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> > But a 100mph swing with a 1.5 smash factor = 150mph ball speed is the best you are getting due to the 237ct unit +/-18 governing rule.

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> > In my opinion the 915 was a hit or miss due to the sound. some people just did not like the sound. This then turned them off, as sounds is feel or vibrations so thus they felt terrible strikes or it did not feel as good of a strike. I admit, the 910D2 was the best sounding and feeling driver next to my 07 burner.....MUCH better and softer, but the 915 does go further due to it being a 8.5* vs 9.5* and also the lower spinning head has netted me more yard compared to the higher spinning heads of the 910D2 and 07 burner.

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> > so a side caveat.... does or did your 913 "FEEL" better on strikes than the 915? I assume with the redesign of the TS2/3 models to get back to old sound and feel? It may be better preference for you?

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> i dont know anything about CT units and frankly i dont care. I took club A (917), hit 10 times. Same shaft, took club B (TS3), hit 10 times. This was done over 4 sessions on random days that i was bored over the course of a 3 weeks. On all 4 sessions, the TS3 was longer, better spin and straighter. Thats all i needed to know.

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> Same thing with my local club pro. and same thing with a friend in my sunday group along with most of the reviews ive seen.

 

ABSOLUTELY,I WOULD NOT disagree with you in the slightest.

 

Issue is you found a "SETUP" that works for you and provides you the better optimal results!

 

the TS3 and 917 are NOT the same clubs... so the TS3 better suited you. But fact remains as you stated "**if all things are equal**" well likely you netted better results hence the move (better spin, thats not all things being equal btw). But likely launch characteristics netted you better results. the Heads by Rules of golf are NOT hotter on optimal strikes, but likely on less than optimal strikes,

[Matt70]

TS3 was longer for me but I hate playing out of the rough. Most inaccurate driver I've ever had but was great on the wide open range when testing it!

The head shape is nowhere near as nice as the 910/913 either.

Hence the TS4.

[shaolingolfer]

In my opinion, you got to like the look and how the driver sit in address. If you don't like the shape and size to begin with, you will most likely not hit it very good. Also overlook is a forgiving driver will make you swing more freely and tend to swing it faster without worry the bad misses.

I went to 2 paid driver fittings, but all the new stuffs and shafts, TS2 and TS3 are both better for me and I chose TS 2 because of the extra forgiveness for me.

[Cmoney710]

Can you switch out old shafts from previous models into the TS heads?

[storm319]

> @Cmoney710 said:

> Can you switch out old shafts from previous models into the TS heads?

 

Yes. The same adjustable hosel has been used in the drivers since the 910.

[lefty74pgh]

I played the 913, 915 and 917 D3 with good results. I needed to go down in flex on the shaft, so I had a Titleist fitting at the end of last year. Tried the TS2 and TS3, but ended up with the TS2 Smoke. The TS3 had a few more mph of BS, but was not as consistent in dispersion as the TS2. The results on the course have confirmed the fitting. I’m hitting the ball as far, if not farther than the D3 versions from a few years ago and I’m now in my mid forties.

[Big Ben]

I gamed the the 913 and my TS3 D3 is a superior driver for me. Just a better club in my humble opinion. BB

[woods991]

> @"Big Ben" said:

> I gamed the the 913 and my TS3 D3 is a superior driver for me. Just a better club in my humble opinion. BB

 

I agree Big Ben, tried not to love it started the season with a F9 and found I have found the TS3 that much better in all categories including forgiveness, it has been a long time that a Titleist driver caught my attention, but IMO it is one of the better drivers I have hit in the past couple of years (big Ping Max fan as well) but this TS3 is longer than the Max. I have mine paired with a Tour AD VR 6.

***My only request for Titleist bring back the red,white and black stripped Dr Seuss style headcover ie the 905 series love the look of them and protects the shaft better

[earleyrc]

> @Exactice808 said:

> > @bunta said:

> > > @Exactice808 said:

> > > > @bunta said:

> > > > > @Cmoney710 said:

> > > > > I have tried the 915 and 917 and still couldn’t get the performance of my 913 D3 head. Will I see big improvements with the TS3? Anyone in the same situation as me? I’d like to make the switch.

> > > >

> > > > Yes. _**If all things equal**_, the TS3 will give your better ball speed than previous gen - for MOST of us. How much you gain (and you probably will), will depend on your own swing. Majority of Titleist players on tour bagged the TS3 pretty much immediately.

> > >

> > > Sorry to do this, but if I may questions how this is possible?

> > > R&A governing rules has a 239ct unit maximum +/- 18ct units so that ULTRA max is 257ct units.

> > >

> > > This has been established as the finalized ruling number currently, (prior was the .830 cor but that was not official)

> > > If all things are equal, the driver MAX ball speeds are capped period.. by the 237ct units. NO driver can exceed this limit

> > > so all things equal (Spin, launch, roll) there is no way that any driver 2007 to current is actually obtaining greater ball speed if all things are equal.

> > > this again is @ 1.5 perfect smash factor.

> > >

> > > NOW if you are stating that** across the face** on less than optimal strikes. Then Yes the TS2/3 models like many current generation drivers have done the best they could to widen the sweet spot to maintain max ball speed for less than optimal strikes.

> > >

> > > But a 100mph swing with a 1.5 smash factor = 150mph ball speed is the best you are getting due to the 237ct unit +/-18 governing rule.

> > >

> > >

> > > In my opinion the 915 was a hit or miss due to the sound. some people just did not like the sound. This then turned them off, as sounds is feel or vibrations so thus they felt terrible strikes or it did not feel as good of a strike. I admit, the 910D2 was the best sounding and feeling driver next to my 07 burner.....MUCH better and softer, but the 915 does go further due to it being a 8.5* vs 9.5* and also the lower spinning head has netted me more yard compared to the higher spinning heads of the 910D2 and 07 burner.

> > >

> > > so a side caveat.... does or did your 913 "FEEL" better on strikes than the 915? I assume with the redesign of the TS2/3 models to get back to old sound and feel? It may be better preference for you?

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> > i dont know anything about CT units and frankly i dont care. I took club A (917), hit 10 times. Same shaft, took club B (TS3), hit 10 times. This was done over 4 sessions on random days that i was bored over the course of a 3 weeks. On all 4 sessions, the TS3 was longer, better spin and straighter. Thats all i needed to know.

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> > Same thing with my local club pro. and same thing with a friend in my sunday group along with most of the reviews ive seen.

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> ABSOLUTELY,I WOULD NOT disagree with you in the slightest.

>

> Issue is you found a "SETUP" that works for you and provides you the better optimal results!

>

> the TS3 and 917 are NOT the same clubs... so the TS3 better suited you. But fact remains as you stated "**if all things are equal**" well likely you netted better results hence the move (better spin, thats not all things being equal btw). But likely launch characteristics netted you better results. the Heads by Rules of golf are NOT hotter on optimal strikes, but likely on less than optimal strikes,

 

I will add my (somewhat) anecdotal input to this debate. I played 913d2 (8.5), 915d3 (9.5), skipped 917 and now gaming the TS3 (9.5). I'm getting better launch and spin numbers from the TS3 vs 915d3. I will also add the surefit cg weight set to draw has helped me tremendously. Is it any longer than my 915d3 on my best strikes? Maybe a bit due to better launch conditions, and my average drive is longer because I'm not a pro and don't hit the middle every (most?) times. TS2/3 does produce faster ball speeds across the face compared to prior generations of Titleist drivers. If OP was properly fit for his 913, he likely won't see huge gains if again properly fit for a TS3. It will be slightly more forgiving and give him a little extra yardage for days the swing is off, and just needs to determine if the $499 price tag is worth that little extra.

[srksi]

I threw a 14 g neutral weight in the head of my d3 and it came Alive.