2019 Titleist T100 irons

[HappyGilmore22]

> @amking said:

> Can anyone confirm MAP pricing for T100/T200 and T300?

>

> Going for Titleist Thursday next week!

 

I've just seen this:

T100 and T200: $1399 ($175 individual iron)

-T100 4-PW

-T200 4-PW-W

 

T300: $999 ($125 individual iron)

- T300 4-PW-W

[ryan983]

> @therealjonzone said:

> > @ryan983 said:

> > > @pascoe said:

> > > For those that have hit these, are you seeing significant distance gains? I did a fitting a few weeks back and the fitter was suggesting he saw a full club difference compared to the 718-AP2.

> >

> >

> > I was hitting the T100 and the MB 7 iron the same yardage, spin, etc to my 714 ap2’s.

>

> I don’t think AP2 loyalists are looking for breakthrough distance or ball speed.

>

> They want consistent spin, launch window, great feel and flawless turf interaction regardless of terrain. If you check those boxes, you’ll inevitably get more distance just because of the strike.

 

No argument here. T100 and MB being the same as my 714 AP2’s is positive to me.

[LL Cool L]

T100 have much less forgiveness than ap2, and feel like a rock. Might as well go cb. T200 is nice, but jacked lofts are a turnoff. Sticking with ap2 for now.

[CallawayLefty]

> @"LL Cool L" said:

> T100 have much less forgiveness than ap2, and feel like a rock. Might as well go cb. T200 is nice, but jacked lofts are a turnoff. Sticking with ap2 for now.

 

I’m having this dilemma after hitting T100 and T200 today. T200 were more forgiving and felt “stronger” and I think felt more or less the same as the T100. But then I got home and saw those lofts - my goodness that Pw end loft is a problem. I though it was 44 or 45, but 43 is crazy. I’d love to order the T200s but have to rethink my whole bag unfortunately. I guess maybe you go 1* weak and then a 49* gap wedge? But also not sure I felt as bad about T100 as you. If you go loft vs. loft, it should be no surprise that the 200s had a better flight - they’re literally a whole club stronger lofted.

 

Edit - was just looking...best I can come up with is you order T200 5-GW 1 degree strong lofted. That gets you a more normal lofted set with the same benefits of the T200

[sheldonjhacker]

Ordering the T200 one degree weaker does what to the bounce & offset ?

[mjbfyb]

> @sheldonjhacker said:

> Ordering the T200 one degree weaker does what to the bounce & offset ?

 

Increases bounce, decreases offset

 

[Natural1]

Bounce will increase by the same degree as loft is weakened. It's a linear relationship.

As for offset, I think I've read the general rule of thumb is that offset changes by .75mm for each degree of loft change. Increase loft -> decrease offset. Decrease loft -> increase offset. Although In my own experience it seems that decreasing loft has a bit more impact on offset than increasing loft.

[Llortamaisey]

> @CallawayLefty said:

> > @"LL Cool L" said:

> > T100 have much less forgiveness than ap2, and feel like a rock. Might as well go cb. T200 is nice, but jacked lofts are a turnoff. Sticking with ap2 for now.

>

> I’m having this dilemma after hitting T100 and T200 today. T200 were more forgiving and felt “stronger” and I think felt more or less the same as the T100. But then I got home and saw those lofts - my goodness that Pw end loft is a problem. I though it was 44 or 45, but 43 is crazy. I’d love to order the T200s but have to rethink my whole bag unfortunately. I guess maybe you go 1* weak and then a 49* gap wedge? But also not sure I felt as bad about T100 as you. If you go loft vs. loft, it should be no surprise that the 200s had a better flight - they’re literally a whole club stronger lofted.

>

> Edit - was just looking...best I can come up with is you order T200 5-GW 1 degree strong lofted. That gets you a more normal lofted set with the same benefits of the T200

I think you’ll find that the majority of the 80’s 90’s and part of the 00’s, typical specs on traditional irons, with an 8 club setup, were the longest iron at 21 degrees and the shortest iron at 48 degrees. Numbers on the bottom of the club are meaningless. The T200 have essentially gone back to vintage lofts of an 8 club setup.

 

[SugarPenguin]

Was thinking of upgrading my 716 AP2 but so far not loving the look of these at all - which is really disappointing.

The 200 and 300 are hideous and I’m a massive Titleist fan.

 

The 620 CB though look incredible...

Shame I couldn’t game them ?.

[CallawayLefty]

> @Llortamaisey said:

> > @CallawayLefty said:

> > > @"LL Cool L" said:

> > > T100 have much less forgiveness than ap2, and feel like a rock. Might as well go cb. T200 is nice, but jacked lofts are a turnoff. Sticking with ap2 for now.

> >

> > I’m having this dilemma after hitting T100 and T200 today. T200 were more forgiving and felt “stronger” and I think felt more or less the same as the T100. But then I got home and saw those lofts - my goodness that Pw end loft is a problem. I though it was 44 or 45, but 43 is crazy. I’d love to order the T200s but have to rethink my whole bag unfortunately. I guess maybe you go 1* weak and then a 49* gap wedge? But also not sure I felt as bad about T100 as you. If you go loft vs. loft, it should be no surprise that the 200s had a better flight - they’re literally a whole club stronger lofted.

> >

> > Edit - was just looking...best I can come up with is you order T200 5-GW 1 degree strong lofted. That gets you a more normal lofted set with the same benefits of the T200

> I think you’ll find that the majority of the 80’s 90’s and part of the 00’s, typical specs on traditional irons, with an 8 club setup, were the longest iron at 21 degrees and the shortest iron at 48 degrees. Numbers on the bottom of the club are meaningless. The T200 have essentially gone back to vintage lofts of an 8 club setup.

>

 

I’m not worried about the whole “just a number on the bottom of the club” argument. Just having trouble figuring out how to build a bag when I have a 19* that 100% won’t be coming out of my bag and have typically played a 50/54/58 wedge setup. Maybe it’s go 1 weak throughout the set an figure out gapping to get the PW to 45. That’s probably more doable.

 

I’d really like to make it work as the club felt fantastic to me. But I cannot go from 43 to 50. That’s like a 30+ yard gap.

[CallawayLefty]

> @SugarPenguin said:

> Was thinking of upgrading my 716 AP2 but so far not loving the look of these at all - which is really disappointing.

> The 200 and 300 are hideous and I’m a massive Titleist fan.

>

> The 620 CB though look incredible...

> Shame I couldn’t game them ?.

 

The 200 are far from hideous in my opinion...not half bad.

 

[SugarPenguin]

> @CallawayLefty said:

> > @SugarPenguin said:

> > Was thinking of upgrading my 716 AP2 but so far not loving the look of these at all - which is really disappointing.

> > The 200 and 300 are hideous and I’m a massive Titleist fan.

> >

> > The 620 CB though look incredible...

> > Shame I couldn’t game them ?.

>

> The 200 are far from hideous in my opinion...not half bad.

>

 

For the price you want them to be a bit sexier than not half bad.

I’m just disappointed more than anything.

Titleist products look sleek and professional. They have a minimalist look. The T-series just look gimmicky and just doesn’t seem to fit. If Callaway or TaylorMade produced these looks I’d be like “meh ok - not bad”

?

[Llortamaisey]

> @CallawayLefty said:

> > @Llortamaisey said:

> > > @CallawayLefty said:

> > > > @"LL Cool L" said:

> > > > T100 have much less forgiveness than ap2, and feel like a rock. Might as well go cb. T200 is nice, but jacked lofts are a turnoff. Sticking with ap2 for now.

> > >

> > > I’m having this dilemma after hitting T100 and T200 today. T200 were more forgiving and felt “stronger” and I think felt more or less the same as the T100. But then I got home and saw those lofts - my goodness that Pw end loft is a problem. I though it was 44 or 45, but 43 is crazy. I’d love to order the T200s but have to rethink my whole bag unfortunately. I guess maybe you go 1* weak and then a 49* gap wedge? But also not sure I felt as bad about T100 as you. If you go loft vs. loft, it should be no surprise that the 200s had a better flight - they’re literally a whole club stronger lofted.

> > >

> > > Edit - was just looking...best I can come up with is you order T200 5-GW 1 degree strong lofted. That gets you a more normal lofted set with the same benefits of the T200

> > I think you’ll find that the majority of the 80’s 90’s and part of the 00’s, typical specs on traditional irons, with an 8 club setup, were the longest iron at 21 degrees and the shortest iron at 48 degrees. Numbers on the bottom of the club are meaningless. The T200 have essentially gone back to vintage lofts of an 8 club setup.

> >

>

> I’m not worried about the whole “just a number on the bottom of the club” argument. Just having trouble figuring out how to build a bag when I have a 19* that 100% won’t be coming out of my bag and have typically played a 50/54/58 wedge setup. Maybe it’s go 1 weak throughout the set an figure out gapping to get the PW to 45. That’s probably more doable.

>

> I’d really like to make it work as the club felt fantastic to me. But I cannot go from 43 to 50. That’s like a 30+ yard gap.

 

Understood. Have you thought about a 48 - 54 - 60 setup? I know 6 degrees sounds like a lot but I’ve played this setup before and it’s not as bad as you think. I got about 15 yard gaps between my wedges and they were easy to take 5-7 yards off when needed. However, I would not recommend 6 degree gaps if you swing extra hard at your wedges. The gapping won’t work as well.

[HappyGilmore22]

> @"LL Cool L" said:

> T100 have much less forgiveness than ap2, and feel like a rock. Might as well go cb. T200 is nice, but jacked lofts are a turnoff. Sticking with ap2 for now.

I agree with this as well but the feeling is fine for me. Titleist is going to lose a ton of business because there is a big gap between T100 and T200. CBs spin way too much. Need something more playable like T200's but a bit smaller and standard lofts like AP2/T100. Makes me really unsure I want to buy a new set of these when I like AP2 718 better than the 100 and 200. Need to test out the T100's a lot more but I'm strongly considering buying P760/790 combo set instead of these unfortunately. Life long Titleist player until this year when I tried Mizuno but I miss the forgiveness of my AP2s.

 

 

[Golf64]

Hit them all today, 100s are top contender for next year's bag. Hated AP3, but this 200s, WOW!! Titleist has a great line up for next year, IMO!

[mtex22]

> @HappyGilmore22 said:

> > @"LL Cool L" said:

> > T100 have much less forgiveness than ap2, and feel like a rock. Might as well go cb. T200 is nice, but jacked lofts are a turnoff. Sticking with ap2 for now.

> I agree with this as well but the feeling is fine for me. Titleist is going to lose a ton of business because there is a big gap between T100 and T200. CBs spin way too much. Need something more playable like T200's but a bit smaller and standard lofts like AP2/T100. Makes me really unsure I want to buy a new set of these when I like AP2 718 better than the 100 and 200. Need to test out the T100's a lot more but I'm strongly considering buying P760/790 combo set instead of these unfortunately. Life long Titleist player until this year when I tried Mizuno but I miss the forgiveness of my AP2s.

>

>

 

Exactly my sentiment!!

[frj76]

Went into testning expecting to leave with 620cb. Being sensitive to offset ap2 has lever been an option for me. Left the fitting with t100. Looks like cb at address, performance like ap2. Great evolution of cb/ap2, great job titleist!

[BCC1898]

Why do the CBs seems to spin more?

[HappyGilmore22]

> @frj76 said:

> Went into testning expecting to leave with 620cb. Being sensitive to offset ap2 has lever been an option for me. Left the fitting with t100. Looks like cb at address, performance like ap2. Great evolution of cb/ap2, great job titleist!

 

Will agree the T100 is a perfect blend of AP2 and 620 CB. Issue is the T200 is more of an AP3 and T300 blend so they essentially created a wide gap between T100 and T200 where a lot of golfers sit who don't struggle with distance wanting standard lofts and don't want long blade length/chunky irons. Wish they could have just slimmed the AP2 topline down and kept everything else the same in that club.

[SAM_PGA]

> @HappyGilmore22 said:

 

> Will agree the T100 is a perfect blend of AP2 and 620 CB. Issue is the T200 is more of an AP3 and T300 blend so they essentially created a wide gap between T100 and T200 where a lot of golfers sit who don't struggle with distance wanting standard lofts and don't want long blade length/chunky irons. Wish they could have just slimmed the AP2 topline down and kept everything else the same in that club.

 

I ordered my T-series combo set the same as I did with my AP3/AP2... The T200 4i 1º weak & 5i 2º weak, then 6-P stock T100 lofts. I find this puts the gapping in the long/mid irons more manageable.

[MyShortGameSucks]

> @CallawayLefty said:

> > @Llortamaisey said:

> > > @CallawayLefty said:

> > > > @"LL Cool L" said:

> > > > T100 have much less forgiveness than ap2, and feel like a rock. Might as well go cb. T200 is nice, but jacked lofts are a turnoff. Sticking with ap2 for now.

> > >

> > > I’m having this dilemma after hitting T100 and T200 today. T200 were more forgiving and felt “stronger” and I think felt more or less the same as the T100. But then I got home and saw those lofts - my goodness that Pw end loft is a problem. I though it was 44 or 45, but 43 is crazy. I’d love to order the T200s but have to rethink my whole bag unfortunately. I guess maybe you go 1* weak and then a 49* gap wedge? But also not sure I felt as bad about T100 as you. If you go loft vs. loft, it should be no surprise that the 200s had a better flight - they’re literally a whole club stronger lofted.

> > >

> > > Edit - was just looking...best I can come up with is you order T200 5-GW 1 degree strong lofted. That gets you a more normal lofted set with the same benefits of the T200

> > I think you’ll find that the majority of the 80’s 90’s and part of the 00’s, typical specs on traditional irons, with an 8 club setup, were the longest iron at 21 degrees and the shortest iron at 48 degrees. Numbers on the bottom of the club are meaningless. The T200 have essentially gone back to vintage lofts of an 8 club setup.

> >

>

> I’m not worried about the whole “just a number on the bottom of the club” argument. Just having trouble figuring out how to build a bag when I have a 19* that 100% won’t be coming out of my bag and have typically played a 50/54/58 wedge setup. Maybe it’s go 1 weak throughout the set an figure out gapping to get the PW to 45. That’s probably more doable.

>

> I’d really like to make it work as the club felt fantastic to me. But I cannot go from 43 to 50. That’s like a 30+ yard gap.

 

Just ordered a set of T200 for my son. He was coming from JPX 919 Tour 5-PW and 50/54/60 Vokey SM7. Ended up going T200 5-GW and 54 Vokey bent to 53 and 58 Vokey. We’ll see how it goes. Probably won’t be delivered for another few weeks? If it does not work we can drop the T200 gap wedge, maybe weaken the short irons and go back to 3 Vokey setup.

 

BTW the T100 went nowhere for him. He liked the look and feel but they were just really short and spiny. The JPX919 were good distance but just spiny and a bit too inconsistent.The T200 were perfect spin, launch and descent angle and dispersion much improved.

 

[CallawayLefty]

> @MyShortGameSucks said:

> > @CallawayLefty said:

> > > @Llortamaisey said:

> > > > @CallawayLefty said:

> > > > > @"LL Cool L" said:

> > > > > T100 have much less forgiveness than ap2, and feel like a rock. Might as well go cb. T200 is nice, but jacked lofts are a turnoff. Sticking with ap2 for now.

> > > >

> > > > I’m having this dilemma after hitting T100 and T200 today. T200 were more forgiving and felt “stronger” and I think felt more or less the same as the T100. But then I got home and saw those lofts - my goodness that Pw end loft is a problem. I though it was 44 or 45, but 43 is crazy. I’d love to order the T200s but have to rethink my whole bag unfortunately. I guess maybe you go 1* weak and then a 49* gap wedge? But also not sure I felt as bad about T100 as you. If you go loft vs. loft, it should be no surprise that the 200s had a better flight - they’re literally a whole club stronger lofted.

> > > >

> > > > Edit - was just looking...best I can come up with is you order T200 5-GW 1 degree strong lofted. That gets you a more normal lofted set with the same benefits of the T200

> > > I think you’ll find that the majority of the 80’s 90’s and part of the 00’s, typical specs on traditional irons, with an 8 club setup, were the longest iron at 21 degrees and the shortest iron at 48 degrees. Numbers on the bottom of the club are meaningless. The T200 have essentially gone back to vintage lofts of an 8 club setup.

> > >

> >

> > I’m not worried about the whole “just a number on the bottom of the club” argument. Just having trouble figuring out how to build a bag when I have a 19* that 100% won’t be coming out of my bag and have typically played a 50/54/58 wedge setup. Maybe it’s go 1 weak throughout the set an figure out gapping to get the PW to 45. That’s probably more doable.

> >

> > I’d really like to make it work as the club felt fantastic to me. But I cannot go from 43 to 50. That’s like a 30+ yard gap.

>

> Just ordered a set of T200 for my son. He was coming from JPX 919 Tour 5-PW and 50/54/60 Vokey SM7. Ended up going T200 5-GW and 54 Vokey bent to 53 and 58 Vokey. We’ll see how it goes. Probably won’t be delivered for another few weeks? If it does not work we can drop the T200 gap wedge, maybe weaken the short irons and go back to 3 Vokey setup.

>

> BTW the T100 went nowhere for him. He liked the look and feel but they were just really short and spiny. The JPX919 were good distance but just spiny and a bit too inconsistent.The T200 were perfect spin, launch and descent angle and dispersion much improved.

>

 

That’s probably what I would do too. The T100 felt really good to me, and if I’d have to say how much shorter they were than the T200, I’d say it was about what you’d expect from the 4* difference between the two 7 irons. That’s the part I can’t get my arms around yet - whether it’s all just a loft issue. I sure was hitting that T200 well though. I have a fitting in the 27th so will have a chance to mess with it a bit more. I almost wish they would give you a MB/CB/T100 6 iron head to demo against the T200 7 iron head. I think anyone being objective would have to agree that 7 iron vs 7 iron is just not a fair fight.

[JoeJoeJoeUrBoat]

Buddy of mine who’s had every single AP2 since the beginning, and multiple sets of each, text me the other day saying the T100 were way too small. Didn’t compare at all to the AP2s in terms of forgiveness. Very discouraging as that was the AP2s best quality. Tour players all the way to 12HC gaming them from what I’ve seen. These will not suit that same range.

[halfsumo]

Hit the demo 7 iron in CB, T100 and T200 yesterday and liked them all. Great shapes on the CB and T100. The one thing that got me for some reason was that the T100 is really thin up top which I think most people want, but there is really not much meat up there at all and I was hitting off of a soft mat and caught a few high on the face and they stung like nothing I've hit in a long time. Honestly, that's not a real world problem for me as I hit almost everything low on the face when not a super fluffy lie, but it was something I noticed. Other than that, I had my heart set on the new Mizuno's but these have me thinking based on looks alone.... It really may come down to satin vs chrome for me.

[Carson33]

I ordered my set today. I hit the demo 7 iron indoors and it went the distance I was expecting and, more importantly, it went the SAME distance every time.

[B_of_H]

I just looked at the specs on the titleist site for the t100 and I can't believe how far they've jacked up the lofts. 43 degree pw? that is a deal breaker for me most likely.

[JStang]

> @B_of_H said:

> I just looked at the specs on the titleist site for the t100 and I can't believe how far they've jacked up the lofts. 43 degree pw? that is a deal breaker for me most likely.

 

You must have been looking at the T200. The T100 PW is 46 degrees.

 

 

[MattyO1984]

> @B_of_H said:

> I just looked at the specs on the titleist site for the t100 and I can't believe how far they've jacked up the lofts. 43 degree pw? that is a deal breaker for me most likely.

 

INCORRECT

[Killermane]

I keep seeing a lot of tour players Cameron Smith. Lantogriff. Ect. With black t100. Is that happening with titleist jet black theme ? Any insiders

[jrshelby]

> @MattyO1984 said:

> > @B_of_H said:

> > I just looked at the specs on the titleist site for the t100 and I can't believe how far they've jacked up the lofts. 43 degree pw? that is a deal breaker for me most likely.

>

> INCORRECT

 

46° PW