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> @grantc79 said:

> Did you bother to read the study above? Or any other the other similar stories on Google for you?

>

> You seem to be the type to believe gravity is highly debatable while firmly planted to the earth

 

That “study” doesn’t reference specific offset numbers nor does it provide anything concrete about the results. Not much to hang your hat on there.

 

For your specific case in this thread, you need to prove that the original offset of the Hot Metal Pros resulted in outcomes materially different than the offset after your modifications. I haven’t seen any such proof from you.

 

If lieu of such proof, you simply like the look of the irons post-modification. We can all agree that you like those. No problem there.

 

But you can’t objectively support your claim that you get materially different results—such as eliminating all shots from going left, etc.

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> @matthewb said:

> > @grantc79 said:

> > Did you bother to read the study above? Or any other the other similar stories on Google for you?

> >

> > You seem to be the type to believe gravity is highly debatable while firmly planted to the earth

>

> That “study” doesn’t reference specific offset numbers nor does it provide anything concrete about the results. Not much to hang your hat on there.

>

> For your specific case in this thread, you need to prove that the original offset of the Hot Metal Pros resulted in outcomes materially different than the offset after your modifications. I haven’t seen any such proof from you.

>

> If lieu of such proof, you simply like the look of the irons post-modification. We can all agree that you like those. No problem there.

>

> But you can’t objectively support your claim that you get materially different results—such as eliminating all shots from going left, etc.

And why do I need to prove this to you ?

 

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> @grantc79 said:

> > @matthewb said:

> > > @grantc79 said:

> > > Did you bother to read the study above? Or any other the other similar stories on Google for you?

> > >

> > > You seem to be the type to believe gravity is highly debatable while firmly planted to the earth

> >

> > That “study” doesn’t reference specific offset numbers nor does it provide anything concrete about the results. Not much to hang your hat on there.

> >

> > For your specific case in this thread, you need to prove that the original offset of the Hot Metal Pros resulted in outcomes materially different than the offset after your modifications. I haven’t seen any such proof from you.

> >

> > If lieu of such proof, you simply like the look of the irons post-modification. We can all agree that you like those. No problem there.

> >

> > But you can’t objectively support your claim that you get materially different results—such as eliminating all shots from going left, etc.

> And why do I need to prove this to you ?

>

 

No need to prove it to me.

 

You made an empirical claim on a public board. I asked you for evidence. You don’t have any objective evidence. Thus, you can’t back up your claim. No big deal. It happens all the time.

 

We can agree that you like the look of your irons and that you like to think they don’t allow you to go left.

 

There. Agreement, hugs, and smiles!

 

Enjoy your irons. ?

 

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> > @sdandrea said:

> > Not sure why offset is considered so evil. I don't have much difficulty adjusting my grip/swing to compensate for irons with more or less offset, and I'm a high-functioning hacker with an 11 handicap. I hear guys saying that a few thousandths if an inch of offset turns an iron into a hook machine. I understand not liking the appearance, but I have trouble believing that offset renders a club unplayable .

>

> I'm a guy with a slightly strong grip. I also swing in to out. I find that clubs with a lot of offset almost balance closed, so they do tend to hook for me because they feel awkward if you try to set up with it opened up a bit (my preferred). Even my iBlades have a bit more than I'd like. High offset was designed for the majority of the golf population which a) doesn't have enough swing speed to achieve optimal peak height and b) has a massive out to in path. It's all personal preference - I really dislike it. I can hit clubs that have it but I'd prefer low.

 

Anecdotal evidence, but I have found the same to be true for my swing. I have a strong grip and in-to-out swing path.

 

In theory, I should be able to hit any iron. In practice, I gave my set of Ping Eye 2s away, because I was hooking them like crazy. When I picked up an iron with less offset, my hooking issues disappeared and I was hitting small draws.

 

I now try to minimize the offset on my irons. I’m already hitting a draw—I don’t need anti-slice correction.

 

Other folks have already posted the Plugged-in-Golf test results and such—it seems silly to argue that offset has no discernible impact. If it doesn’t have an impact, why build a club with it?

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My question is how are the irons playing with the lofts weakened 3 degrees? Mizunos have really low bounce. Adding 3 degrees of bounce might be a really good idea for a lot of players. This is an interesting option for dialing in spin and offset for the look a player likes. It all counts. Thanks for throwing this discussion out there.

How are they playing on the course? Do you like them more performance-wise?

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Think the issues of going left, hooking is a swing path or grip issue. Hence the use of a strong grip.

Try the same swing with a neutral grip, should create a straight or impart a slight draw spin on the ball. That said, there are no fast and hard rules to clubs, if op is satisfied, thats all that matters



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> @grantc79 said:

> > @NRJyzr said:

> > > @JStang said:

> > > All irons have "some" offset.

> >

> > I beg to differ

> >

> > 986 Tour 8 iron closeup photo 1201161049_zps9a5wwwms.jpg

>

> And thats a what iron compared to a 4 iron?

 

Wow that looks just like my R9 B's, the iron with the least offset ive found

Ping G425 LST 9*

Cobra LTDx LS 14.5*

Cobra SZ 17* hybrid

Ping G425 Crossover 3

Ping I500 5-PW

Ping I210 UW

Ping Glide 4.0 54/58

Odyssey OG Rossie "Rahm"

 

 

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> @erock9174 said:

> I thought offset was used for added launch. I never associated it with being hook prone.

>

> My g700 irons have a ton of offset and they draw much less than my Cleveland 588 Altitude irons that have minimal offset but can get really hooky

 

Offset causes a greater draw depending on your swing. When callaway first came out with irons the pros complained about "high draws" with the irons. Good players often already have a "draw swing." It makes sense if you imagine the blade being square at contact and closing after. Add offset to that swing and the contact will be with a more closed face.

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> @matthewb said:

> This is hilarious.

>

> These “holy grail” irons didn’t have much righteousness apparently.

>

> They went on the BST soon after this thread was created.

>

> LOL!

>

> https://forums.golfwrx.com/discussion/1778129/mizuno-hot-metal-pro-4-gw-1-4-inch-c-taper-s-flex-new-mcc-4-grips#latest

 

Less than a month :D

 

Not even arrived to the end of a standard honeymoon period.

 

I would like to know the reasons though

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> @"Marco Colo" said:

> > @matthewb said:

> > This is hilarious.

> >

> > These “holy grail” irons didn’t have much righteousness apparently.

> >

> > They went on the BST soon after this thread was created.

> >

> > LOL!

> >

> > https://forums.golfwrx.com/discussion/1778129/mizuno-hot-metal-pro-4-gw-1-4-inch-c-taper-s-flex-new-mcc-4-grips#latest

>

> Less than a month :D

>

> Not even arrived to the end of a standard honeymoon period.

>

> I would like to know the reasons though

 

Probably all the bounce, i could imagine them being a bit of a nightmare on firm fairways

Ping G425 LST 9*

Cobra LTDx LS 14.5*

Cobra SZ 17* hybrid

Ping G425 Crossover 3

Ping I500 5-PW

Ping I210 UW

Ping Glide 4.0 54/58

Odyssey OG Rossie "Rahm"

 

 

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> @cavemeister said:

> Offset causes a greater draw depending on your swing. When callaway first came out with irons the pros complained about "high draws" with the irons. Good players often already have a "draw swing." It makes sense if you imagine the blade being square at contact and closing after. Add offset to that swing and the contact will be with a more closed face.

 

The issue in this thread is more specific than that.

 

Here the OP claimed that bending his irons (he said 3 degrees weak in this thread but 2 degrees weak in his BST ad) eliminated “going left.”

 

So the question here is whether bending this particular set materially reduced “going left.” I say it is quite improbable.

 

In other words, this thread isn’t about comparing offset monster SGI irons to low offset blades. It’s about comparing standard Mizuno Hot Metal Pros to the Hot Metal Pros that the OP had bend.

 

We will never know though as the OP didn’t do any comparisons. Essentially this was a brag thread.

 

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> @dmeeksDC said:

> My question is how are the irons playing with the lofts weakened 3 degrees? Mizunos have really low bounce. Adding 3 degrees of bounce might be a really good idea for a lot of players. This is an interesting option for dialing in spin and offset for the look a player likes. It all counts. Thanks for throwing this discussion out there.

> How are they playing on the course? Do you like them more performance-wise?

 

I found they went a bit too far and had too low spin with the stock lofts. When I added loft it raised spin from about 5500 on 7 iron up to about 6200 which is more useful. It also made them much more appealing to the eye from an offset and "not hit it left" standpoint.

 

 

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New Level 623 CB 5-PW

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> @"Marco Colo" said:

 

>

> Less than a month :D

>

> Not even arrived to the end of a standard honeymoon period.

>

> I would like to know the reasons though

 

Basically I had regrets of going with C Taper stiff shafts and I found my miss was over swinging them a bit. I was in between C Taper X and C taper stiff when I bought them.

 

I felt I had to work a bit too hard to get the X to work but I could over easily over swing the C Taper stiffs.

 

I got a set of Wilson FG Tour V6 irons on the way with X100's which seem to be a happy medium between C Taper Stiff and X stiff for me. The Tours also have even less offset and are supposed to be pretty forgiving, we will see they arrive soon.

 

Playing with my friends Mizuno 900 tours until then.

 

 

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Cobra Tec 17, 21, 24 hybrids

New Level 623 CB 5-PW

Mizuno S23 52, 56, 60

 

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