Is Rickie Fowler the most overrated player on tour?

[DFS PFD]

I don't know about THE most overrated, but without a doubt, he's overrated.

[Vindog]

The great thing about golf is that it is the ultimate result driven sport. In other words, you are rated exactly how you perform. so no he isn't overrated

 

Also, he isn't exactly always on the shortlist for Major picks, so I don't feel that he is over hyped either. as

 

Over exposed? Sorry, but no. He gets the exposure he deserves because he is marketable, and also keeps himself in "the mix" enough to warrant that kind of exposure.

[scotee]

One could argue that Rickie is underachieved but he is rated exactly where he should be.

[00steven]

The only thing I can’t think of is who is more hyped then him that delivers less. Any thoughts? That’s why I think he’s most overrated.

[scotee]

He carries himself as a perfect gentleman on the course. He is a hero to hundreds of kids. He promotes and gives back to the game. He is number 10 in FedEx points. I rate him highly.

[sekrah]

Yes, Rickie is overrated. He's had basically the same career as Rory Sabbatini, Bill Haas with mid-single digit tour wins. Brandt Snedeker has had a better career than Rickie and gets barely recognized.

 

Nice guy and does a lot of stuff off the course, but I don't get the personality schtick, he looks stiff as a board when he's on the course and rarely acknowledges fans.

 

Very overrated player.

 

[Vindog]

> @sekrah said:

> Yes, Rickie is overrated. He's had basically the same career as Rory Sabbatini, Bill Haas with mid-single digit tour wins. Brandt Snedeker has had a better career than Rickie and gets barely recognized.

>

> Nice guy and does a lot of stuff off the course, but I don't get the personality schtick, he looks stiff as a board when he's on the course and rarely acknowledges fans.

>

> Very overrated player.

>

 

Where do Snedeker and Sabbatini sit right now on the OWGR or Fed Ex Cup rankings? I leave out Haas from that question becasue it's unfair to compare him due to the recent accident, but Rickie's quality of wins trump both Haas and Sabbatini. Snedeker has the Fed Ex Cup bonus of course, but he has never really been consistently at the upper part of ranking systems.

[sekrah]

> @Vindog said:

> > @sekrah said:

> > Yes, Rickie is overrated. He's had basically the same career as Rory Sabbatini, Bill Haas with mid-single digit tour wins. Brandt Snedeker has had a better career than Rickie and gets barely recognized.

> >

> > Nice guy and does a lot of stuff off the course, but I don't get the personality schtick, he looks stiff as a board when he's on the course and rarely acknowledges fans.

> >

> > Very overrated player.

> >

>

> Where do Snedeker and Sabbatini sit right now on the OWGR or Fed Ex Cup rankings?

 

Well those guys are past their prime, genius. And their primes were every bit as good as Rickie's

[jjmurry]

The mere fact that this thread exists in the golfwrx universe means that Rickie will win the Open next month, right? Don't mind me while I'm off wagering my life savings.

[cdnglf]

> @sekrah said:

> > @Vindog said:

> > > @sekrah said:

> > > Yes, Rickie is overrated. He's had basically the same career as Rory Sabbatini, Bill Haas with mid-single digit tour wins. Brandt Snedeker has had a better career than Rickie and gets barely recognized.

> > >

> > > Nice guy and does a lot of stuff off the course, but I don't get the personality schtick, he looks stiff as a board when he's on the course and rarely acknowledges fans.

> > >

> > > Very overrated player.

> > >

> >

> > Where do Snedeker and Sabbatini sit right now on the OWGR or Fed Ex Cup rankings?

>

> Well those guys are past their prime, genius. And their primes were every bit as good as Rickie's

 

Its not fair to compare a 31 year old to a 43 year old but it is fair to compare a 31 year old to a 43 year old.

[eebomb]

> @sekrah said:

> > @Vindog said:

> > > @sekrah said:

> > > Yes, Rickie is overrated. He's had basically the same career as Rory Sabbatini, Bill Haas with mid-single digit tour wins. Brandt Snedeker has had a better career than Rickie and gets barely recognized.

> > >

> > > Nice guy and does a lot of stuff off the course, but I don't get the personality schtick, he looks stiff as a board when he's on the course and rarely acknowledges fans.

> > >

> > > Very overrated player.

> > >

> >

> > Where do Snedeker and Sabbatini sit right now on the OWGR or Fed Ex Cup rankings?

>

> Well those guys are past their prime, genius. And their primes were every bit as good as Rickie's

 

Eeeh so I think sabitina at age 30 had 3 pga tour wins. Rickie with 9 at 30 so prime to prime wins 3 and 9 are not really comparable

[bladehunter]

> @tsecor said:

> WOW!!!! huge prediction!!! > @bladehunter said:

> > Ricks going to get his. Wait and see. Built up a lot of golf karma in the bank. When he cashes out he will pass guys with 4 . Calling it now.

>

>

 

Go big or go home.

[Vindog]

Oooooh snarky replies. I like it. A true intellectual you must be.

 

Anyways back to the point. If those guys are past their prime, why compare them to a golfer who is currently rated? How can you rate a person properly if they are not current?Also I will postulate that Rickie's quality of wins trump Sabbatini's by a wide Margin. Snedeker has the Fed Ex Cup bonus but he was never consistenly in the upper part of the OWGR. And apart from the Canadian Open, his wins don't exactly stack up to TPC, Memorial and WGC.

 

You seem to forget how much Snedeker was talked about in his prime. But yeah middling single digit who are past their prime don’t really get talked about. Go figure > @sekrah said:

> > @Vindog said:

> > > @sekrah said:

> > > Yes, Rickie is overrated. He's had basically the same career as Rory Sabbatini, Bill Haas with mid-single digit tour wins. Brandt Snedeker has had a better career than Rickie and gets barely recognized.

> > >

> > > Nice guy and does a lot of stuff off the course, but I don't get the personality schtick, he looks stiff as a board when he's on the course and rarely acknowledges fans.

> > >

> > > Very overrated player.

> > >

> >

> > Where do Snedeker and Sabbatini sit right now on the OWGR or Fed Ex Cup rankings?

>

> Well those guys are past their prime, genius. And their primes were every bit as good as Rickie's

 

 

[bladehunter]

> @eebomb said:

> > @sekrah said:

> > > @Vindog said:

> > > > @sekrah said:

> > > > Yes, Rickie is overrated. He's had basically the same career as Rory Sabbatini, Bill Haas with mid-single digit tour wins. Brandt Snedeker has had a better career than Rickie and gets barely recognized.

> > > >

> > > > Nice guy and does a lot of stuff off the course, but I don't get the personality schtick, he looks stiff as a board when he's on the course and rarely acknowledges fans.

> > > >

> > > > Very overrated player.

> > > >

> > >

> > > Where do Snedeker and Sabbatini sit right now on the OWGR or Fed Ex Cup rankings?

> >

> > Well those guys are past their prime, genius. And their primes were every bit as good as Rickie's

>

> Eeeh so I think sabitina at age 30 had 3 pga tour wins. Rickie with 9 at 30 so prime to prime wins 3 and 9 are not really comparable

 

He lost that argument when he said Rory Sabatini. He could win the next 5 majors and not be popular or even rated at all.

[Nard_S]

> @tsecor said:

> > @Barfolomew said:

> > Rickie would be overrated if he was rated highly....

>

> > @Barfolomew said:

> > Rickie would be overrated if he was rated highly....

>

> 14th in the world isn't highly rated??? new rankings are out.....Tiger 4th? omg

> Brooks Koepka

> Dustin Johnson

> Rory McIlroy

> Tiger Woods

> Francesco Molinari

> Justin Thomas

> Bryson DeChambeau

> Patrick Cantlay

> Xander Schauffele

> Jon Rahm

> Gary Woodland

> Matt Kuchar

> Rickie Fowler

> Paul Casey

>

Out of all those guys, who has the best putting stroke? My vote is Fowler.

He's an under achiever for that reason. Don't know his stats but my guess is the rough is rougher for him with that flat swing and less than imposing stature. Also his aggressive play compounds that issue, especially in majors. So the very thing that has him going quite low at times is what sinks him in the big ones. He doesn't have the muscle like Koepka or Tiger to save the errant bomb. But he cannot be as calculating as Louis O. or a Molinari because it goes against his nature to some degree. He addresses those issues,makes peace with them, he can probably do a lot better.

 

[bscinstnct]

> @sekrah said:

> Yes, Rickie is overrated. He's had basically the same career as Rory Sabbatini, Bill Haas with mid-single digit tour wins. Brandt Snedeker has had a better career than Rickie and gets barely recognized.

>

> Nice guy and does a lot of stuff off the course, but I don't get the personality schtick, he looks stiff as a board when he's on the course and rarely acknowledges fans.

>

> Very overrated player.

>

 

But how is he “overrated”?

 

He was hyped in the past but after not putting up the wins in the big numbers some were expecting for a while, I generally see him talked about as a very good player who gets in the mix but isn’t a big time closer. And he gets called out when he blows up a lead.

 

His ranking and money back up that he’s not just some poser. He can play.

 

If you mean he gets more marketing and fan attention than other players with the same number, I agree.

 

 

[Shilgy]

> @eebomb said:

> > @sekrah said:

> > > @Vindog said:

> > > > @sekrah said:

> > > > Yes, Rickie is overrated. He's had basically the same career as Rory Sabbatini, Bill Haas with mid-single digit tour wins. Brandt Snedeker has had a better career than Rickie and gets barely recognized.

> > > >

> > > > Nice guy and does a lot of stuff off the course, but I don't get the personality schtick, he looks stiff as a board when he's on the course and rarely acknowledges fans.

> > > >

> > > > Very overrated player.

> > > >

> > >

> > > Where do Snedeker and Sabbatini sit right now on the OWGR or Fed Ex Cup rankings?

> >

> > Well those guys are past their prime, genius. And their primes were every bit as good as Rickie's

>

> Eeeh so I think sabitina at age 30 had 3 pga tour wins. Rickie with 9 at 30 so prime to prime wins 3 and 9 are not really comparable

 

Hope would you feel about that comparison when you learned Rickie has just 5 PGA Tour wins?

[grm24]

Interesting that a few people in this thread are counting Fowlers Hero World Challenge (Tigers event) win like it's an official PGA Tour event. It's a silly season event.

[grm24]

> @tsecor said:

> > @Barfolomew said:

> > Rickie would be overrated if he was rated highly....

>

> > @Barfolomew said:

> > Rickie would be overrated if he was rated highly....

>

> 14th in the world isn't highly rated??? new rankings are out.....Tiger 4th? omg

> Brooks Koepka

> Dustin Johnson

> Rory McIlroy

> Tiger Woods

> Francesco Molinari

> Justin Thomas

> Bryson DeChambeau

> Patrick Cantlay

> Xander Schauffele

> Jon Rahm

> Gary Woodland

> Matt Kuchar

> Rickie Fowler

> Paul Casey

>

Tiger is currently ranked 5th in the world rankings.

 

[OldBridge]

Having only won five events, maybe his media/commercial hype doesn't match what he's done in his career. But he does have a PLAYERS title of those five. He just needs to string together four consecutive solid rounds in major championships.

 

It would be good for the game to have Fowler win more IMO. He is one of the more marketable competitors that the TOUR has since crowds and kids seem to love him. I remember going to the final round of the 2014 PGA at Valhalla and there were LOTS of people, adults and children, decked out in orange for Fowler.

[sekrah]

> @jjmurry said:

> The mere fact that this thread exists in the golfwrx universe means that Rickie will win the Open next month, right? Don't mind me while I'm off wagering my life savings.

 

A lot of people have gone dead broke betting on Rickie.

 

Rickie is 14th in OWGR. He belongs in the 25 to 30-1 group of golfers with guys like Matsuyama, Scott but is always bet down to 12-18 like a 5th-8th ranked because of his popularity.

 

[tsecor]

Does he have a shot at the British / Open Championship?

Anyone think Day is overrated?

[Vindog]

Betting lines are indeed weird. Remeber when Tiger was always between 5 and 10-1 but could barely make cuts?

 

woof

> @sekrah said:

> > @jjmurry said:

> > The mere fact that this thread exists in the golfwrx universe means that Rickie will win the Open next month, right? Don't mind me while I'm off wagering my life savings.

>

> A lot of people have gone dead broke betting on Rickie.

>

> Rickie is 14th in OWGR. He belongs in the 25 to 30-1 group of golfers with guys like Matsuyama, Scott but is always bet down to 12-18 like a 5th-8th ranked because of his popularity.

>

 

 

[JaNelson38]

The dominance of Tiger in his prime has really skewed what is now considered a "good" career on the PGA Tour.

 

Nine professional wins being "overrated"? Please. Dude has been in the top 10 around 30% of the time when he tees it up on Tour. Been in the Tour Championship every year but one in the past decade. That's some damn fine, consistent golf in an era where the Tour is undoubtedly the toughest and deepest its ever been. Im sure he'd like to have a major, but about 135 guys playing this weekend at the Rocket Mortgage would gladly have Rickie's career to date, too.

[pheenomz4774]

> @sekrah said:

> > @jjmurry said:

> > The mere fact that this thread exists in the golfwrx universe means that Rickie will win the Open next month, right? Don't mind me while I'm off wagering my life savings.

>

> A lot of people have gone dead broke betting on Rickie.

>

> Rickie is 14th in OWGR. He belongs in the 25 to 30-1 group of golfers with guys like Matsuyama, Scott but is always bet down to 12-18 like a 5th-8th ranked because of his popularity.

>

 

Yeah but before this years Masters he was somewhere around 8th ranked in the world. 5-15 range in the OWGR is very volatile. All these players are so close together. 16 weeks ago, DeChambeau Rahm and Rickie were in the top 10, with Rory on the outside looking in. I wouldn't pay so close attention to the OWGR in relation to how they are handicapping the betting odds for anybody but Tiger.

[freeze16172002]

With all these young guys coming up Rickie needs more substance then image. He has been on Tour for 10 years and it hasnt been great. There are alot of guys that had a better 10 years. He is definately overhyped if that goes with overrated.

[Ferguson]

> @TMoakley1547 said:

> Some guys dont figure out how to win until they are well into their 30's. I believe Rickie will be one of these guys.

 

 

The 30's are overrated.

[Vardon Grip]

Rickie has more wins than Payne Stewart had at the same age. Remains to be seen whether or not majors will follow. He’s 31 and has contended well, had it not been for P. Reed going crazy Rickie would be a a masters champion, golf gods are cruel that way.

Overrated? I don’t think so, he shows up near the top of leaderboards with high frequency.

Under-delivered? Maybe, but he sure gets a lot out of that swing while having Cory Pavin’s body. Great putting stroke.

Overexposed? Farmers sure features him in a lot of commercials and they’re on all the time. Get while the gettings good. The tour lacks personality. A tour completely dependent on corporate sponsorship and only a few players end up in ad campaigns that aren’t about golf equipment Kuchar w sketchers seems among the best, (I know it’s golf shoes, but who the hell wears sketchers golf shoes?) and I really dislike that cheapskate, tiger w Bridgestone (terrible commercials w the English dude) Rose and Watson w MasterCard, boring + boring. Probably others, but imagine the farmers commercial w the vultures w Brooks Koepka? I cant picture it. Rolex don’t count, nobody says anything. Spieth is stiff as hell in the club fitting ad. Maybe call up pat Perez, Reed, K Na, to audition. Top guys too stiff.

 

 

 

[tsecor]

> @JaNelson38 said: "in an era where the Tour is undoubtedly the toughest and deepest its ever been. "

 

 

Very debatable. Some would say its not even close to the best its ever been

 

 

[cxx]

> @sekrah said:

> > @jjmurry said:

> > The mere fact that this thread exists in the golfwrx universe means that Rickie will win the Open next month, right? Don't mind me while I'm off wagering my life savings.

>

> A lot of people have gone dead broke betting on Rickie.

>

> Rickie is 14th in OWGR. He belongs in the 25 to 30-1 group of golfers with guys like Matsuyama, Scott but is always bet down to 12-18 like a 5th-8th ranked because of his popularity.

>

 

Well then, you should be able to make a killing then. What's holding you back?