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> @ingy said:

> How many exemptions are you allowed?

>

> I guess he can try to monday qualify for a couple of events, or drop back a year to take the Q-school -> Korn Ferry tour -> Main tour route

>

 

He doesn't need to Monday qualify. He and others (Matt Wolff, etc) are allowed 7 sponsor exemptions as a non member of the PGA Tour. If a player finishes in the top 10 of an event they can play the next eligible event w/o using a sponsor exemption. Again there is no PGA Tour school. Not since 2013. If Hovland or others earn enough Fed-Ex Cup points to finish inside the top 200 of the FEC standings as a non member they are able to play the KF Tour playoffs to try and earn a PGA Tour card. See article linked below.

 

https://golfweek.com/2019/06/30/golf-new-pro-viktor-racing-for-status/

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Does Hovland get the equivalent FedEx Cup points for all his performances in PGA Tour sanctioned events this year? His T12 at Pebble would sure help his cause.

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> @grm24 said:

> > @idrive said:

> > I wonder if Phil is saying it's unlikely they'll meet up.............. or win the 3M?

>

> The way Phil has played recently there is a good chance he will be wheels up Friday evening. His play since winning at Pebble Beach has been poor. Last 5 starts are MC, T52, MC, T71, MC.

(Wish you could multi-quote)

If the pattern holds he should finish T60.

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Normally when it comes to Sky Sports coverage I am itching for the Euro Tour coverage to come to an end on a Thursday and Friday so I can watch the featured groups from the US...not so much this week and next!

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> Does Hovland get the equivalent FedEx Cup points for all his performances in PGA Tour sanctioned events this year? His T12 at Pebble would sure help his cause.

 

I made this same mistake in another thread, he was still an amateur when he played in the Open. He would get the points from his finish last week if he wins an event.

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I don't get why Koepka is playing here and not in Ireland or Scotland when he's publicly stated his major preparation involves playing the week before. It's entirely his prerogative but I'd curious to hear his rationale.

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> > @OldTomMorris said:

> > Does Hovland get the equivalent FedEx Cup points for all his performances in PGA Tour sanctioned events this year? His T12 at Pebble would sure help his cause.

>

> I made this same mistake in another thread, he was still an amateur when he played in the Open. He would get the points from his finish last week if he wins an event.

 

I know he was an amateur but FedEx Cup points are awarded for a placing so why not award them to every player in field as he in the non-member list at the moment anyway.

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> > @flushem said:

> > > @MattyO1984 said:

> > > Another week, another meh event on the PGA Tour.

> >

> > Sorry not every week is majors or the Memorial. They need time to season.

> >

> > Anyone familiar with the venue?

>

> Played it several times and live 30 mins away. With the rain we've got this week its going to be a bird fest. The courses only real defense would be if they got the greens firm and fast, but it is WAY too humid for that.

 

Fellow Minnesotan! I'm also about 30 minutes from TPC and have played it twice (once in a tournament). I agree with your assessment. It's not that hard of a course - pretty vanilla. We've had a lot of rain this summer and more is in the forecast for today and tomorrow. I expect low scores.

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> @OldTomMorris said:

> > @jdl said:

> > > @OldTomMorris said:

> > > Does Hovland get the equivalent FedEx Cup points for all his performances in PGA Tour sanctioned events this year? His T12 at Pebble would sure help his cause.

> >

> > I made this same mistake in another thread, he was still an amateur when he played in the Open. He would get the points from his finish last week if he wins an event.

>

> I know he was an amateur but FedEx Cup points are awarded for a placing so why not award them to every player in field as he in the non-member list at the moment anyway.

 

He got into the Open via his amateur status (winner of US Am). FedEx Cup points are only relevant to pros, so if he wanted to potentially get those points he would have needed to turn pro and go through sectional qualifying to get in.

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> @jdl said:

> > @OldTomMorris said:

> > > @jdl said:

> > > > @OldTomMorris said:

> > > > Does Hovland get the equivalent FedEx Cup points for all his performances in PGA Tour sanctioned events this year? His T12 at Pebble would sure help his cause.

> > >

> > > I made this same mistake in another thread, he was still an amateur when he played in the Open. He would get the points from his finish last week if he wins an event.

> >

> > I know he was an amateur but FedEx Cup points are awarded for a placing so why not award them to every player in field as he in the non-member list at the moment anyway.

>

> He got into the Open via his amateur status (winner of US Am). FedEx Cup points are only relevant to pros, so if he wanted to potentially get those points he would have needed to turn pro and go through sectional qualifying to get in.

 

Thanks but I realise that.

 

All I'm saying is regardless of status I don't know why they can't count finishes in the relevant qualifying period on the non-members list. He got OWGR points for all his events this year so not sure why they wouldn't do the same as it wouldn't effect other players because as far as I understand as a non-member he can't actually get into the playoffs anyway.

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> @OldTomMorris said:

> > @jdl said:

> > > @OldTomMorris said:

> > > > @jdl said:

> > > > > @OldTomMorris said:

> > > > > Does Hovland get the equivalent FedEx Cup points for all his performances in PGA Tour sanctioned events this year? His T12 at Pebble would sure help his cause.

> > > >

> > > > I made this same mistake in another thread, he was still an amateur when he played in the Open. He would get the points from his finish last week if he wins an event.

> > >

> > > I know he was an amateur but FedEx Cup points are awarded for a placing so why not award them to every player in field as he in the non-member list at the moment anyway.

> >

> > He got into the Open via his amateur status (winner of US Am). FedEx Cup points are only relevant to pros, so if he wanted to potentially get those points he would have needed to turn pro and go through sectional qualifying to get in.

>

> Thanks but I realise that.

>

> All I'm saying is regardless of status I don't know why they can't count finishes in the relevant qualifying period on the non-members list. He got OWGR points for all his events this year so not sure why they wouldn't do the same as it wouldn't effect other players because as far as I understand as a non-member he can't actually get into the playoffs anyway.

 

They do award them to non-members.

 

What you're missing is (once again) the FedEx Cup is for pros. Why would you award those points to an amateur? They aren't relevant to an am.

 

A non-member pro? Sure, because if a non-member pro wins an event, he's then a tour member and can get the points.

 

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> @jdl said:

> > @OldTomMorris said:

> > > @jdl said:

> > > > @OldTomMorris said:

> > > > > @jdl said:

> > > > > > @OldTomMorris said:

> > > > > > Does Hovland get the equivalent FedEx Cup points for all his performances in PGA Tour sanctioned events this year? His T12 at Pebble would sure help his cause.

> > > > >

> > > > > I made this same mistake in another thread, he was still an amateur when he played in the Open. He would get the points from his finish last week if he wins an event.

> > > >

> > > > I know he was an amateur but FedEx Cup points are awarded for a placing so why not award them to every player in field as he in the non-member list at the moment anyway.

> > >

> > > He got into the Open via his amateur status (winner of US Am). FedEx Cup points are only relevant to pros, so if he wanted to potentially get those points he would have needed to turn pro and go through sectional qualifying to get in.

> >

> > Thanks but I realise that.

> >

> > All I'm saying is regardless of status I don't know why they can't count finishes in the relevant qualifying period on the non-members list. He got OWGR points for all his events this year so not sure why they wouldn't do the same as it wouldn't effect other players because as far as I understand as a non-member he can't actually get into the playoffs anyway.

>

> They do award them to non-members.

>

> What you're missing is (once again) the FedEx Cup is for pros. Why would you award those points to an amateur? They aren't relevant to an am.

>

> A non-member pro? Sure, because if a non-member pro wins an event, he's then a tour member and can get the points.

>

 

I do get it and I know non-member pros get FedEx Cup points put simply why not award them to the entire field. No reason they couldn't be awarded to everyone playing even amateurs.

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> @OldTomMorris said:

> > @jdl said:

> > > @OldTomMorris said:

> > > > @jdl said:

> > > > > @OldTomMorris said:

> > > > > > @jdl said:

> > > > > > > @OldTomMorris said:

> > > > > > > Does Hovland get the equivalent FedEx Cup points for all his performances in PGA Tour sanctioned events this year? His T12 at Pebble would sure help his cause.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I made this same mistake in another thread, he was still an amateur when he played in the Open. He would get the points from his finish last week if he wins an event.

> > > > >

> > > > > I know he was an amateur but FedEx Cup points are awarded for a placing so why not award them to every player in field as he in the non-member list at the moment anyway.

> > > >

> > > > He got into the Open via his amateur status (winner of US Am). FedEx Cup points are only relevant to pros, so if he wanted to potentially get those points he would have needed to turn pro and go through sectional qualifying to get in.

> > >

> > > Thanks but I realise that.

> > >

> > > All I'm saying is regardless of status I don't know why they can't count finishes in the relevant qualifying period on the non-members list. He got OWGR points for all his events this year so not sure why they wouldn't do the same as it wouldn't effect other players because as far as I understand as a non-member he can't actually get into the playoffs anyway.

> >

> > They do award them to non-members.

> >

> > What you're missing is (once again) the FedEx Cup is for pros. Why would you award those points to an amateur? They aren't relevant to an am.

> >

> > A non-member pro? Sure, because if a non-member pro wins an event, he's then a tour member and can get the points.

> >

>

> I do get it and I know non-member pros get FedEx Cup points put simply why not award them to the entire field. No reason they couldn't be awarded to everyone playing even amateurs.

 

You keep saying you "get it" but it doesn't seem like you do. What would Michael Thorbjornsen do with his FedEx Cup points? Can he redeem them for a free drink at McDonald's?

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> @grm24 said:

> > @OldTomMorris said:

> > Does Hovland get the equivalent FedEx Cup points for all his performances in PGA Tour sanctioned events this year? His T12 at Pebble would sure help his cause.

>

> No. Only since he turned professional.

 

Thanks its been discussed and answered

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> @jdl said:

> > @OldTomMorris said:

> > > @jdl said:

> > > > @OldTomMorris said:

> > > > > @jdl said:

> > > > > > @OldTomMorris said:

> > > > > > > @jdl said:

> > > > > > > > @OldTomMorris said:

> > > > > > > > Does Hovland get the equivalent FedEx Cup points for all his performances in PGA Tour sanctioned events this year? His T12 at Pebble would sure help his cause.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I made this same mistake in another thread, he was still an amateur when he played in the Open. He would get the points from his finish last week if he wins an event.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I know he was an amateur but FedEx Cup points are awarded for a placing so why not award them to every player in field as he in the non-member list at the moment anyway.

> > > > >

> > > > > He got into the Open via his amateur status (winner of US Am). FedEx Cup points are only relevant to pros, so if he wanted to potentially get those points he would have needed to turn pro and go through sectional qualifying to get in.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks but I realise that.

> > > >

> > > > All I'm saying is regardless of status I don't know why they can't count finishes in the relevant qualifying period on the non-members list. He got OWGR points for all his events this year so not sure why they wouldn't do the same as it wouldn't effect other players because as far as I understand as a non-member he can't actually get into the playoffs anyway.

> > >

> > > They do award them to non-members.

> > >

> > > What you're missing is (once again) the FedEx Cup is for pros. Why would you award those points to an amateur? They aren't relevant to an am.

> > >

> > > A non-member pro? Sure, because if a non-member pro wins an event, he's then a tour member and can get the points.

> > >

> >

> > I do get it and I know non-member pros get FedEx Cup points put simply why not award them to the entire field. No reason they couldn't be awarded to everyone playing even amateurs.

>

> You keep saying you "get it" but it doesn't seem like you do. What would Michael Thorbjornsen do with his FedEx Cup points? Can he redeem them for a free drink at McDonald's?

 

I get the rules is what I mean but I don't see why they are that way, rules are rules but I'd like to know the thinking behind it.

Nice analogy with McDonalds vouchers that really impressed me, very clever.

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> @OldTomMorris said:

> > @jdl said:

> > > @OldTomMorris said:

> > > > @jdl said:

> > > > > @OldTomMorris said:

> > > > > > @jdl said:

> > > > > > > @OldTomMorris said:

> > > > > > > > @jdl said:

> > > > > > > > > @OldTomMorris said:

> > > > > > > > > Does Hovland get the equivalent FedEx Cup points for all his performances in PGA Tour sanctioned events this year? His T12 at Pebble would sure help his cause.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I made this same mistake in another thread, he was still an amateur when he played in the Open. He would get the points from his finish last week if he wins an event.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I know he was an amateur but FedEx Cup points are awarded for a placing so why not award them to every player in field as he in the non-member list at the moment anyway.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > He got into the Open via his amateur status (winner of US Am). FedEx Cup points are only relevant to pros, so if he wanted to potentially get those points he would have needed to turn pro and go through sectional qualifying to get in.

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks but I realise that.

> > > > >

> > > > > All I'm saying is regardless of status I don't know why they can't count finishes in the relevant qualifying period on the non-members list. He got OWGR points for all his events this year so not sure why they wouldn't do the same as it wouldn't effect other players because as far as I understand as a non-member he can't actually get into the playoffs anyway.

> > > >

> > > > They do award them to non-members.

> > > >

> > > > What you're missing is (once again) the FedEx Cup is for pros. Why would you award those points to an amateur? They aren't relevant to an am.

> > > >

> > > > A non-member pro? Sure, because if a non-member pro wins an event, he's then a tour member and can get the points.

> > > >

> > >

> > > I do get it and I know non-member pros get FedEx Cup points put simply why not award them to the entire field. No reason they couldn't be awarded to everyone playing even amateurs.

> >

> > You keep saying you "get it" but it doesn't seem like you do. What would Michael Thorbjornsen do with his FedEx Cup points? Can he redeem them for a free drink at McDonald's?

>

> I get the rules is what I mean but I don't see why they are that way, rules are rules but I'd like to know the thinking behind it.

> Nice analogy with McDonalds vouchers that really impressed me, very clever.

 

Why should amateurs who can’t use the points, take away points from pros who do use the points?

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> ![](https://media2.giphy.com/media/1LmBFphV4XNSw/giphy.gif "")

>

 

Brilliant, thanks for the insight.

 

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> @HitEmTrue said:

> > @OldTomMorris said:

> > > @jdl said:

> > > > @OldTomMorris said:

> > > > > @jdl said:

> > > > > > @OldTomMorris said:

> > > > > > > @jdl said:

> > > > > > > > @OldTomMorris said:

> > > > > > > > > @jdl said:

> > > > > > > > > > @OldTomMorris said:

> > > > > > > > > > Does Hovland get the equivalent FedEx Cup points for all his performances in PGA Tour sanctioned events this year? His T12 at Pebble would sure help his cause.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I made this same mistake in another thread, he was still an amateur when he played in the Open. He would get the points from his finish last week if he wins an event.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I know he was an amateur but FedEx Cup points are awarded for a placing so why not award them to every player in field as he in the non-member list at the moment anyway.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > He got into the Open via his amateur status (winner of US Am). FedEx Cup points are only relevant to pros, so if he wanted to potentially get those points he would have needed to turn pro and go through sectional qualifying to get in.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks but I realise that.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > All I'm saying is regardless of status I don't know why they can't count finishes in the relevant qualifying period on the non-members list. He got OWGR points for all his events this year so not sure why they wouldn't do the same as it wouldn't effect other players because as far as I understand as a non-member he can't actually get into the playoffs anyway.

> > > > >

> > > > > They do award them to non-members.

> > > > >

> > > > > What you're missing is (once again) the FedEx Cup is for pros. Why would you award those points to an amateur? They aren't relevant to an am.

> > > > >

> > > > > A non-member pro? Sure, because if a non-member pro wins an event, he's then a tour member and can get the points.

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > I do get it and I know non-member pros get FedEx Cup points put simply why not award them to the entire field. No reason they couldn't be awarded to everyone playing even amateurs.

> > >

> > > You keep saying you "get it" but it doesn't seem like you do. What would Michael Thorbjornsen do with his FedEx Cup points? Can he redeem them for a free drink at McDonald's?

> >

> > I get the rules is what I mean but I don't see why they are that way, rules are rules but I'd like to know the thinking behind it.

> > Nice analogy with McDonalds vouchers that really impressed me, very clever.

>

> Why should amateurs who can’t use the points, take away points from pros who do use the points?

 

The amateur might be able to use them if they earned enough to qualify for status, didn't Cantlay play about 6 or 7 events one year as an amateur it could be done. Thanks

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Personally I believe they should convert any fed ex points potentially earned if the amateur turns professional during that season. Its not like they are worth actual $. I guess that would require extra bookkeeping and as it is they apparently can't keep proper track as I believe Brian Gay's wife was the one who found the discrepancy to keep Poulter on tour. They've shortened and condensed the season making it more difficult for kids coming out of college to earn enough fed ex points to make the KF finals.

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> @OldTomMorris said:

> > @HitEmTrue said:

> > > @OldTomMorris said:

> > > > @jdl said:

> > > > > @OldTomMorris said:

> > > > > > @jdl said:

> > > > > > > @OldTomMorris said:

> > > > > > > > @jdl said:

> > > > > > > > > @OldTomMorris said:

> > > > > > > > > > @jdl said:

> > > > > > > > > > > @OldTomMorris said:

> > > > > > > > > > > Does Hovland get the equivalent FedEx Cup points for all his performances in PGA Tour sanctioned events this year? His T12 at Pebble would sure help his cause.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I made this same mistake in another thread, he was still an amateur when he played in the Open. He would get the points from his finish last week if he wins an event.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I know he was an amateur but FedEx Cup points are awarded for a placing so why not award them to every player in field as he in the non-member list at the moment anyway.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > He got into the Open via his amateur status (winner of US Am). FedEx Cup points are only relevant to pros, so if he wanted to potentially get those points he would have needed to turn pro and go through sectional qualifying to get in.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Thanks but I realise that.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > All I'm saying is regardless of status I don't know why they can't count finishes in the relevant qualifying period on the non-members list. He got OWGR points for all his events this year so not sure why they wouldn't do the same as it wouldn't effect other players because as far as I understand as a non-member he can't actually get into the playoffs anyway.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > They do award them to non-members.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > What you're missing is (once again) the FedEx Cup is for pros. Why would you award those points to an amateur? They aren't relevant to an am.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > A non-member pro? Sure, because if a non-member pro wins an event, he's then a tour member and can get the points.

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > I do get it and I know non-member pros get FedEx Cup points put simply why not award them to the entire field. No reason they couldn't be awarded to everyone playing even amateurs.

> > > >

> > > > You keep saying you "get it" but it doesn't seem like you do. What would Michael Thorbjornsen do with his FedEx Cup points? Can he redeem them for a free drink at McDonald's?

> > >

> > > I get the rules is what I mean but I don't see why they are that way, rules are rules but I'd like to know the thinking behind it.

> > > Nice analogy with McDonalds vouchers that really impressed me, very clever.

> >

> > Why should amateurs who can’t use the points, take away points from pros who do use the points?

>

> The amateur might be able to use them if they earned enough to qualify for status, didn't Cantlay play about 6 or 7 events one year as an amateur it could be done. Thanks

 

They want it to be harder to gain status. Not easier. Why do you think there is no Q School option to get on tour anymore? They aren’t going to make it easier for amateurs to earn a card.

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> @iteachgolf said:

> > @OldTomMorris said:

> > > @HitEmTrue said:

> > > > @OldTomMorris said:

> > > > > @jdl said:

> > > > > > @OldTomMorris said:

> > > > > > > @jdl said:

> > > > > > > > @OldTomMorris said:

> > > > > > > > > @jdl said:

> > > > > > > > > > @OldTomMorris said:

> > > > > > > > > > > @jdl said:

> > > > > > > > > > > > @OldTomMorris said:

> > > > > > > > > > > > Does Hovland get the equivalent FedEx Cup points for all his performances in PGA Tour sanctioned events this year? His T12 at Pebble would sure help his cause.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I made this same mistake in another thread, he was still an amateur when he played in the Open. He would get the points from his finish last week if he wins an event.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I know he was an amateur but FedEx Cup points are awarded for a placing so why not award them to every player in field as he in the non-member list at the moment anyway.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > He got into the Open via his amateur status (winner of US Am). FedEx Cup points are only relevant to pros, so if he wanted to potentially get those points he would have needed to turn pro and go through sectional qualifying to get in.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Thanks but I realise that.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > All I'm saying is regardless of status I don't know why they can't count finishes in the relevant qualifying period on the non-members list. He got OWGR points for all his events this year so not sure why they wouldn't do the same as it wouldn't effect other players because as far as I understand as a non-member he can't actually get into the playoffs anyway.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > They do award them to non-members.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > What you're missing is (once again) the FedEx Cup is for pros. Why would you award those points to an amateur? They aren't relevant to an am.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > A non-member pro? Sure, because if a non-member pro wins an event, he's then a tour member and can get the points.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I do get it and I know non-member pros get FedEx Cup points put simply why not award them to the entire field. No reason they couldn't be awarded to everyone playing even amateurs.

> > > > >

> > > > > You keep saying you "get it" but it doesn't seem like you do. What would Michael Thorbjornsen do with his FedEx Cup points? Can he redeem them for a free drink at McDonald's?

> > > >

> > > > I get the rules is what I mean but I don't see why they are that way, rules are rules but I'd like to know the thinking behind it.

> > > > Nice analogy with McDonalds vouchers that really impressed me, very clever.

> > >

> > > Why should amateurs who can’t use the points, take away points from pros who do use the points?

> >

> > The amateur might be able to use them if they earned enough to qualify for status, didn't Cantlay play about 6 or 7 events one year as an amateur it could be done. Thanks

>

> They want it to be harder to gain status. Not easier. Why do you think there is no Q School option to get on tour anymore? They aren’t going to make it easier for amateurs to earn a card.

 

I suspected it would be to protect current members. In this case I think Hovland will be on tour soon anyway.

T12 in US Open as amateur got him good OWGR points. He's only played 6 OWGR events this year and has moved from #1185 to #283

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> Phil Mickelson 40/1, with it being a new event it might be a birdie fest like last week and that could help Phil.

 

His odds will be huge now as he's +3 thru 12 just 9 shots behind Hediki.

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> @snizzle said:

> Personally I believe they should convert any fed ex points potentially earned if the amateur turns professional during that season. Its not like they are worth actual $. I guess that would require extra bookkeeping and as it is they apparently can't keep proper track as I believe Brian Gay's wife was the one who found the discrepancy to keep Poulter on tour. They've shortened and condensed the season making it more difficult for kids coming out of college to earn enough fed ex points to make the KF finals.

 

The season isn’t any shorter, and condensing the majors actually may make it EASIER for non-established players to earn fedex points.

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