2019 LPGA Q-School

[RodrigoNicely]

> @18majors said:

> > @DavePelz4 said:

> > Any insight into the Cristina Kim rules story? Did someone break a rule and did she not protect the field? She seems to have a lot of drama following.

>

> Kim calls penalty on playing competitors at Q-Series

> [https://golfchannel.com/news/christina-kim-calls-penalty-playing-competitors-lpga-q-series](https://www.golfchannel.com/news/christina-kim-calls-penalty-playing-competitors-lpga-q-series "https://golfchannel.com/news/christina-kim-calls-penalty-playing-competitors-lpga-q-series")

 

Kim is a joke. She’s a never was who’s trying to stay relevant. Weak the way she handled the situation but it’s not surprising from her

[Golf Dino]

> @RodrigoNicely said:

> > @18majors said:

> > > @DavePelz4 said:

> > > Any insight into the Cristina Kim rules story? Did someone break a rule and did she not protect the field? She seems to have a lot of drama following.

> >

> > Kim calls penalty on playing competitors at Q-Series

> > [https://golfchannel.com/news/christina-kim-calls-penalty-playing-competitors-lpga-q-series](https://www.golfchannel.com/news/christina-kim-calls-penalty-playing-competitors-lpga-q-series "https://golfchannel.com/news/christina-kim-calls-penalty-playing-competitors-lpga-q-series")

>

> Kim is a joke. She’s a never was who’s trying to stay relevant. Weak the way she handled the situation but it’s not surprising from her

 

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And, what would you have her do in that particular situation?

[RodrigoNicely]

> @"Golf Dino" said:

> > @RodrigoNicely said:

> > > @18majors said:

> > > > @DavePelz4 said:

> > > > Any insight into the Cristina Kim rules story? Did someone break a rule and did she not protect the field? She seems to have a lot of drama following.

> > >

> > > Kim calls penalty on playing competitors at Q-Series

> > > [https://golfchannel.com/news/christina-kim-calls-penalty-playing-competitors-lpga-q-series](https://www.golfchannel.com/news/christina-kim-calls-penalty-playing-competitors-lpga-q-series "https://golfchannel.com/news/christina-kim-calls-penalty-playing-competitors-lpga-q-series")

> >

> > Kim is a joke. She’s a never was who’s trying to stay relevant. Weak the way she handled the situation but it’s not surprising from her

>

> ________________________

>

> And, what would you have her do in that particular situation?

 

She should have let her playing partners know right then it was a violation take the two strokes and been done with it. There was never a reason to take to twitter to stir up controversy and drama which is exactly what she was trying to do. She’s a joke. I’m friends with one of the players and to say it was poorly handled by Kim is an understatement

[ChronicSlicer]

> @RodrigoNicely said:

> > @"Golf Dino" said:

> > > @RodrigoNicely said:

> > > > @18majors said:

> > > > > @DavePelz4 said:

> > > > > Any insight into the Cristina Kim rules story? Did someone break a rule and did she not protect the field? She seems to have a lot of drama following.

> > > >

> > > > Kim calls penalty on playing competitors at Q-Series

> > > > [https://golfchannel.com/news/christina-kim-calls-penalty-playing-competitors-lpga-q-series](https://www.golfchannel.com/news/christina-kim-calls-penalty-playing-competitors-lpga-q-series "https://golfchannel.com/news/christina-kim-calls-penalty-playing-competitors-lpga-q-series")

> > >

> > > Kim is a joke. She’s a never was who’s trying to stay relevant. Weak the way she handled the situation but it’s not surprising from her

> >

> > ________________________

> >

> > And, what would you have her do in that particular situation?

>

> She should have let her playing partners know right then it was a violation take the two strokes and been done with it. There was never a reason to take to twitter to stir up controversy and drama which is exactly what she was trying to do. She’s a joke. I’m friends with one of the players and to say it was poorly handled by Kim is an understatement

 

Agree with the telling players on the spot, the whole thing where someone waits til the round is over is BS. If someone see's an issue, it should be addressed immediately or it didn't happen.

[RodrigoNicely]

Like I said she a drama queen and always has been. no respect for her at all, and I fully expect she will lose her card again this year

[Golf Dino]

> @RodrigoNicely said:

> > @"Golf Dino" said:

> > > @RodrigoNicely said:

> > > > @18majors said:

> > > > > @DavePelz4 said:

> > > > > Any insight into the Cristina Kim rules story? Did someone break a rule and did she not protect the field? She seems to have a lot of drama following.

> > > >

> > > > Kim calls penalty on playing competitors at Q-Series

> > > > [https://golfchannel.com/news/christina-kim-calls-penalty-playing-competitors-lpga-q-series](https://www.golfchannel.com/news/christina-kim-calls-penalty-playing-competitors-lpga-q-series "https://golfchannel.com/news/christina-kim-calls-penalty-playing-competitors-lpga-q-series")

> > >

> > > Kim is a joke. She’s a never was who’s trying to stay relevant. Weak the way she handled the situation but it’s not surprising from her

> >

> > ________________________

> >

> > And, what would you have her do in that particular situation?

>

> She should have let her playing partners know right then it was a violation take the two strokes and been done with it. There was never a reason to take to twitter to stir up controversy and drama which is exactly what she was trying to do. She’s a joke. I’m friends with one of the players and to say it was poorly handled by Kim is an understatement

 

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So, if I understand your point properly, she should have just asked a rules official to make a determination right there and then?

 

If so, it seems to me that the two players in question, once informed by Kim on the tee box of the violation, should have just added the penalty strokes at the conclusion of the hole. Had they done that, they would not have put Kim in the position of having to report it herself.

 

At least, that's the way it played out in the story I read earlier today ... unless I'm mistaken.

[Golf Dino]

> @"Golf Dino" said:

> > @RodrigoNicely said:

> > > @"Golf Dino" said:

> > > > @RodrigoNicely said:

> > > > > @18majors said:

> > > > > > @DavePelz4 said:

> > > > > > Any insight into the Cristina Kim rules story? Did someone break a rule and did she not protect the field? She seems to have a lot of drama following.

> > > > >

> > > > > Kim calls penalty on playing competitors at Q-Series

> > > > > [https://golfchannel.com/news/christina-kim-calls-penalty-playing-competitors-lpga-q-series](https://www.golfchannel.com/news/christina-kim-calls-penalty-playing-competitors-lpga-q-series "https://golfchannel.com/news/christina-kim-calls-penalty-playing-competitors-lpga-q-series")

> > > >

> > > > Kim is a joke. She’s a never was who’s trying to stay relevant. Weak the way she handled the situation but it’s not surprising from her

> > >

> > > ________________________

> > >

> > > And, what would you have her do in that particular situation?

> >

> > She should have let her playing partners know right then it was a violation take the two strokes and been done with it. There was never a reason to take to twitter to stir up controversy and drama which is exactly what she was trying to do. She’s a joke. I’m friends with one of the players and to say it was poorly handled by Kim is an understatement

>

> ________________

>

> So, if I understand your point properly, she should have just asked a rules official to make a determination right there and then?

>

> If so, it seems to me that the two players in question, once informed by Kim on the tee box of the violation, should have just added the penalty strokes at the conclusion of the hole. Had they done that, they would not have put Kim in the position of having to report it herself.

>

> At least, that's the way it played out in the story I read earlier today ... unless I'm mistaken.

 

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I read the Golf Channel's second hand reporting on the incident. They reported that Kim mentioned it to them at the conclusion of the round -- presumably when they were finalizing their scorecards.

 

Regardless, I find Kim absolutely faultless for raising it. The responsibility remains with the individual players ... the only one I feel absolutely sorry for is Dewie Weber who had absolutely no idea what was going on behind her between Kendall and Dewie's caddie.

 

Nonetheless, Kim's Twitter post on one hand, was somewhat disingenuous and somewhat self serving. On the other, it (the penalties) were always going to come out regardless as there was enough reporters there covering the event.

 

Given that, this incident, particularly Golf Channel's take on it when referring to it as Kim stirring controversy, conveys the sense that Kendall and Dewie were hoping to get away with the rules infraction. Nonetheless, Christinia is the senior player in that group. She's been a longtime LPGA member, the others are not and have been playing on the periphery of the LPGA. Kim is correct when stating that all player's have a responsibility to know the rules. Kim was correct in bringing it to their attention. She may think twice about posting something on Twitter in future, but Kendall and Dewie bear responsibility too.

[RodrigoNicely]

What responsibilities do they have exactly. They didn’t run to Twitter. I don’t think anyone is questioning the players should have been penalized it’s the fact that Kim ran to social media because she loves drama and likes trying to be relevant. She never will be for her play on the course so she has to come up with other ways.

[Seamus_McDuff]

> @18majors said:

> > @DavePelz4 said:

> > Any insight into the Cristina Kim rules story? Did someone break a rule and did she not protect the field? She seems to have a lot of drama following.

>

> Kim calls penalty on playing competitors at Q-Series

> [https://golfchannel.com/news/christina-kim-calls-penalty-playing-competitors-lpga-q-series](https://www.golfchannel.com/news/christina-kim-calls-penalty-playing-competitors-lpga-q-series "https://golfchannel.com/news/christina-kim-calls-penalty-playing-competitors-lpga-q-series")

 

I’m fine with the way Kim handled it.

 

Dye is not very bright.

1) she should know the rule

2) her statement reads like it was written by a 12 year old

 

Author of the article needs an editor

 

[RodrigoNicely]

I’ll root against Kim from here on out, but I doubt I have to much. She won’t ever be in contention

[Golf Dino]

> @RodrigoNicely said:

> I’ll root against Kim from here on out, but I doubt I have to much. She won’t ever be in contention

 

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I'm not Christina Kim's biggest fan ... but one could say that at least she is a seasoned LPGA pro whereas the player that you appear to be siding with is not.

 

Further, here's a far more critical take on the situation from Golfweek

 

https://golfweek.com/2019/11/03/lpga-rules-controversy-christina-kim-kendall-dye/

 

Kendall's very public comments about keeping it private only serves to give the appearance that she didnt want people to know about her transgression. I get it ... its embarrassing -- especially for a "pro". But, she should have owned all of it 100% ... do a full "mea culpa" and be done with it. The way her twitter reads, it's all Kim's fault for making it public and calling Kim out for being "unprofessional".

 

Being professional means owning the mistake -- all of it and only seems like an attempt to change the "channel" on the public discussion.

[RodrigoNicely]

I think she owned the mistake and she honesty should have known better. Have no issues with the penalty I have issues with the way Kim tried to make it play out

[ChronicSlicer]

> @"Golf Dino" said:

> Kim is correct when stating that all player's have a responsibility to know the rules.

 

Agreed, but lets be honest how many players really know all the rules. How many times do they PGA/LPGA players call for a rules official to help them because they are uncertain about something? Happens all the time. I imagine there are some really odd rules floating around that most players are clueless about.

 

 

[aliikane]

> @18majors said:

> Congratulations Muni He; the only player to shoot under par on all 8 rounds:

>

> 

>

 

Legit player. Not just an Instagram chick.

[aliikane]

Weber is the one that got the short straw in the entire situation. She was a bystander and got penalized for her caddie being asked by another player what club she used. Perhaps the rules need to be changed in that situation.

[DavePelz4]

Although I'm not CK fan, I respect her for protecting the field.

 

However I question not saying something at the moment and waiting for the end of the round. Kind of the easy way out. And then going on social media and TGC is just inviting drama.

 

Be a leader, ask them what they did and give the players the opportunity to do the right thing.

[Golf Dino]

> @aliikane said:

> Weber is the one that got the short straw in the entire situation. She was a bystander and got penalized for her caddie being asked by another player what club she used. Perhaps the rules need to be changed in that situation.

 

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I agree ... Dewi definitely got the short end of the stick, but ultimately she is responsible for her caddie. Otherwise, if she wasn't then it would open more opportunities for abuse or transgression.

[Golf Dino]

> @ChronicSlicer said:

> > @"Golf Dino" said:

> > Kim is correct when stating that all player's have a responsibility to know the rules.

>

> Agreed, but lets be honest how many players really know all the rules. How many times do they PGA/LPGA players call for a rules official to help them because they are uncertain about something? Happens all the time. I imagine there are some really odd rules floating around that most players are clueless about.

>

>

 

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Definitely happens, but nonetheless, the player is responsible. Even in my regular groups, the guys know enough to not ask what club was used by another player.

 

This was Q-School and Kendall states that she's been a professional player for a decade now. She should know the rules...she's no fresh faced adolescent rookie.

 

The corollary to it is that if others are getting away with it, it's okay for "me" to do it too. That's the logic that Kendall appears to have taken. She should have just apologized and did a "mea culpa" ... she didn't. Her twitter response was more of a rationalization or justification rather than a contrite apology. I understand it stings ... but by taking umbrage with Kim she attempts to skirt the issue of the rules infraction or at the very least, attempt to "change the channel".

 

It's unfortunate ... especially for Dewi ... and hopefully Kendall learns from it.

[aliikane]

> @"Golf Dino" said:

> > @aliikane said:

> > Weber is the one that got the short straw in the entire situation. She was a bystander and got penalized for her caddie being asked by another player what club she used. Perhaps the rules need to be changed in that situation.

>

> __________________

>

> I agree ... Dewi definitely got the short end of the stick, but ultimately she is responsible for her caddie. Otherwise, if she wasn't then it would open more opportunities for abuse or transgression.

 

Yeah, but it is a sticky situation. How is the caddie or anyone else supposed to react when asked that? If you shake your head no (Meaning: Please don't ask that) it could be considered that you were answering the question "no" to what club what club she motioned because she flashed the club number with her hands. I think only the player who asks the question of what club is being used should be penalized.

[Seamus_McDuff]

https://golfweek.com/2019/11/03/lpga-rules-controversy-christina-kim-kendall-dye/

[Golf Dino]

> @aliikane said:

> > @"Golf Dino" said:

> > > @aliikane said:

> > > Weber is the one that got the short straw in the entire situation. She was a bystander and got penalized for her caddie being asked by another player what club she used. Perhaps the rules need to be changed in that situation.

> >

> > __________________

> >

> > I agree ... Dewi definitely got the short end of the stick, but ultimately she is responsible for her caddie. Otherwise, if she wasn't then it would open more opportunities for abuse or transgression.

>

> Yeah, but it is a sticky situation. How is the caddie or anyone else supposed to react when asked that? If you shake your head no (Meaning: Please don't ask that) it could be considered that you were answering the question "no" to what club what club she motioned because she flashed the club number with her hands. I think only the player who asks the question of what club is being used should be penalized.

 

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@aliikane

 

I agree. If it was limited only to this situation.

 

But, what if a player or their caddie announced or spoke a little loudly that they were using a particular club? Would they be penalized then? An unscrupulous player could intentionally misinform others as to what club they used! ?

[propredicr]

Regardless of rules, why would you even bother trying to figure out which club your playing partner hit? Lofts, players distance clubs, etc., would make this an apples to oranges comparison.

 

So, Dye, after 10 years on tour, doesn’t know the basics regarding rules or vast differences between her clubs and others? SMH

[xxio]

I'm guessing that caddy is out of a job.

[puresurfr]

> @ChronicSlicer said:

> > @agolf1 said:

> > > @OffTheDole said:

> > > > @agolf1 said:

> > > > I am not expert on all of these players, but HYP and Muni's scores are a bit surprising. I thought they were more likely than not to get through (although see Alison Lee's current situation) but assumed it would be middle of the pack or so. Noh's score seems a bit less shocking, at least to me.

> > >

> > > Don't let the good looks and media savvy fool you, Muni He is a real golfer capable of winning. She is the total package and a marketer's dream.

> > We'll see. I know she's not purely a decent looking women that happens to play a bit of golf with no hope of ever making it out there. But she was over par on tour last year. The scores she put up here are quite impressive, and in my opinion much ahead of anything else she's done so far (good but not top college player, played Symetra for a year and won once, etc). Said another way, maybe she had a tough rookie year, is more comfortable now, and will have a decent second year (she should get to play more tournaments next year as her Q-Series rank last year was only OK and she lost standings on a lot of the reshuffles). But I would be surprised if she puts up Lee6 like numbers (last year's winner/standout) next year on tour. No doubt she is a marketer's dream - she needs to win once or twice and will be the face of Chinese golf.

>

> Nicely said. Perhaps a fuller season will limit her social media time, and her golf may improve.

 

 

Her golf game is definitely good enough to win, she just shoots too many bad rounds but she has shot 64 several times and has been on the leaderboard on the weekend and may have led a few times as well......Im hoping she learns to stay consistent like she did at Q school !

 

[aliikane]

> @"Golf Dino" said:

> > @aliikane said:

> > > @"Golf Dino" said:

> > > > @aliikane said:

> > > > Weber is the one that got the short straw in the entire situation. She was a bystander and got penalized for her caddie being asked by another player what club she used. Perhaps the rules need to be changed in that situation.

> > >

> > > __________________

> > >

> > > I agree ... Dewi definitely got the short end of the stick, but ultimately she is responsible for her caddie. Otherwise, if she wasn't then it would open more opportunities for abuse or transgression.

> >

> > Yeah, but it is a sticky situation. How is the caddie or anyone else supposed to react when asked that? If you shake your head no (Meaning: Please don't ask that) it could be considered that you were answering the question "no" to what club what club she motioned because she flashed the club number with her hands. I think only the player who asks the question of what club is being used should be penalized.

>

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> @aliikane

>

> I agree. If it was limited only to this situation.

>

> But, what if a player or their caddie announced or spoke a little loudly that they were using a particular club? Would they be penalized then? An unscrupulous player could intentionally misinform others as to what club they used! ?

 

I get what you mean, but talking about the club with your caddie loudly would not be an infraction because they are not specifically asking another player or player's caddie about club selection. If they were deliberately trying to mislead other players by talking loudly about wrong club they could for sure be penalized, but I think it could be very difficult to prove.

 

However, some tour players use gamesmanship by pulling a club they don't intend to use before it is their turn to play. Just to make the other players think they are going to hit a specific club or possibly influence a player to use a different club. However, they have no intention of hitting the pulled club. More used in match play but I have heard players use it during stroke play. That is legal though because they are not specifically asking players what club they are using. That is the distinction.

[ChronicSlicer]

> @propredicr said:

> Regardless of rules, why would you even bother trying to figure out which club your playing partner hit? Lofts, players distance clubs, etc., would make this an apples to oranges comparison.

>

 

 

Great point, like comparing Lexi's choice of irons to Lydia's choice. Kind of a silly rule in reality.

[ChronicSlicer]

Perhaps they should pay closer attention to caddies when they flash the on course commentator which club was just used, so he can tell the viewers watching on tv which club was used.

[North Texas]

I don't think any of them handled the situation like they should. No excuse for Kendall Dye to not know the rule. No excuse for Christina Kim to not bring it to their attention immediately. And it was unprofessional and stupid for all of them to get on twitter talking about.

[OffTheDole]

> @"North Texas" said:

> I don't think any of them handled the situation like they should. No excuse for Kendall Dye to not know the rule. No excuse for Christina Kim to not bring it to their attention immediately. And it was unprofessional and stupid for all of them to get on twitter talking about.

 

 

Looks like Christina Kim did report it right away.

 

One of the responses to her tweet made a very important point about the idea of letting Ms. Dye's rulebreaking slide:

 

[Hawkeye77]

> @RodrigoNicely said:

> I think she owned the mistake and she honesty should have known better. Have no issues with the penalty I have issues with the way Kim tried to make it play out

 

> @aliikane said:

> > @"Golf Dino" said:

> > > @aliikane said:

> > > Weber is the one that got the short straw in the entire situation. She was a bystander and got penalized for her caddie being asked by another player what club she used. Perhaps the rules need to be changed in that situation.

> >

> > __________________

> >

> > I agree ... Dewi definitely got the short end of the stick, but ultimately she is responsible for her caddie. Otherwise, if she wasn't then it would open more opportunities for abuse or transgression.

>

> Yeah, but it is a sticky situation. How is the caddie or anyone else supposed to react when asked that? If you shake your head no (Meaning: Please don't ask that) it could be considered that you were answering the question "no" to what club what club she motioned because she flashed the club number with her hands. I think only the player who asks the question of what club is being used should be penalized.

 

Simple - either ignore or say "I can't give you that information".

 

Had the caddie done this there would have potentially been only one penalty.