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[setter02]

> @JeffreySpicoli said:

> > @Krt22 said:

> > > @gwelfgulfer said:

> > > > @JeffreySpicoli said:

> > > > > @Krt22 said:

> > > > > > @JeffreySpicoli said:

> > > > > > Why not just return it and get a refund?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Or is that too simple and doesn’t allow for fits of righteous indignation?

> > > > >

> > > > > That would be too easy

> > > >

> > > > And we’ve seen what excessive whining on the Internet leads to. Incels.

> > >

> > > Wow, made it all the way to the bright and cheery world of incels, quite a grasp... Maybe explain how the 'war on terror' doesn't included home grown white folks and the relation to playing range rocks over premium tour balls...

> > >

> >

> > You must be fun at parties

>

> I highly doubt he/she/it receives any invites.

 

I'm as incel as you pro... But thanks for trying to break things up with your witty, well, nothing as that is what you came up with...

 

[Mr. Grumpy]

Hmmm,, the old bait with a defect to dish out a bowl of arguments...

Take the club back,, get a another built, weigh... Rinse and repeat as often as it takes...

[JeffreySpicoli]

> @gwelfgulfer said:

> > @JeffreySpicoli said:

> > > @Krt22 said:

> > > > @gwelfgulfer said:

> > > > > @JeffreySpicoli said:

> > > > > > @Krt22 said:

> > > > > > > @JeffreySpicoli said:

> > > > > > > Why not just return it and get a refund?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Or is that too simple and doesn’t allow for fits of righteous indignation?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > That would be too easy

> > > > >

> > > > > And we’ve seen what excessive whining on the Internet leads to. Incels.

> > > >

> > > > Wow, made it all the way to the bright and cheery world of incels, quite a grasp... Maybe explain how the 'war on terror' doesn't included home grown white folks and the relation to playing range rocks over premium tour balls...

> > > >

> > >

> > > You must be fun at parties

> >

> > I highly doubt he/she/it receives any invites.

>

> I'm as incel as you pro... But thanks for trying to break things up with your witty, well, nothing as that is what you came up with...

>

 

I’m sorry that you’re feeling so angry. :(

 

[setter02]

> @JeffreySpicoli said:

> > @gwelfgulfer said:

> > > @JeffreySpicoli said:

> > > > @Krt22 said:

> > > > > @gwelfgulfer said:

> > > > > > @JeffreySpicoli said:

> > > > > > > @Krt22 said:

> > > > > > > > @JeffreySpicoli said:

> > > > > > > > Why not just return it and get a refund?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Or is that too simple and doesn’t allow for fits of righteous indignation?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > That would be too easy

> > > > > >

> > > > > > And we’ve seen what excessive whining on the Internet leads to. Incels.

> > > > >

> > > > > Wow, made it all the way to the bright and cheery world of incels, quite a grasp... Maybe explain how the 'war on terror' doesn't included home grown white folks and the relation to playing range rocks over premium tour balls...

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > You must be fun at parties

> > >

> > > I highly doubt he/she/it receives any invites.

> >

> > I'm as incel as you pro... But thanks for trying to break things up with your witty, well, nothing as that is what you came up with...

> >

>

> I’m sorry that you’re feeling so angry. :(

>

 

Angry... I find this quite humorous... Stop power tripping to think that you actually matter if you're going to go to the level of calling someone an 'incel', you're pretty pathetic honestly... I bet you're a king on myspace!

[JeffreySpicoli]

> @gwelfgulfer said:

> > @JeffreySpicoli said:

> > > @gwelfgulfer said:

> > > > @JeffreySpicoli said:

> > > > > @Krt22 said:

> > > > > > @gwelfgulfer said:

> > > > > > > @JeffreySpicoli said:

> > > > > > > > @Krt22 said:

> > > > > > > > > @JeffreySpicoli said:

> > > > > > > > > Why not just return it and get a refund?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Or is that too simple and doesn’t allow for fits of righteous indignation?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > That would be too easy

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > And we’ve seen what excessive whining on the Internet leads to. Incels.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Wow, made it all the way to the bright and cheery world of incels, quite a grasp... Maybe explain how the 'war on terror' doesn't included home grown white folks and the relation to playing range rocks over premium tour balls...

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > You must be fun at parties

> > > >

> > > > I highly doubt he/she/it receives any invites.

> > >

> > > I'm as incel as you pro... But thanks for trying to break things up with your witty, well, nothing as that is what you came up with...

> > >

> >

> > I’m sorry that you’re feeling so angry. :(

> >

>

> Angry... I find this quite humorous... Stop power tripping to think that you actually matter if you're going to go to the level of calling someone an 'incel', you're pretty pathetic honestly... I bet you're a king on myspace!

 

I never called anyone here an incel. I’m sorry that you don’t read very well. :(

 

[JeffreySpicoli]

> @Jc0 said:

> > @Rory4Pres said:

> > I'm not going to lie, I skipped over a lot of the arguments on this thread. So, your grip should actually weigh around 50-55g I would guess, not 30. Most grips typically weight around that or a little more. Between that and the added glue and tape to hold the head and grip to the shaft, I think it's a lot smaller margin of error than you think.

> > If you get too caught up in specs, it'll drive you crazy. Trust me, I've been there (and still am at times).

> > Simply put, if you don't like the club, move on, probably to a different company, although for me, I'd put Titleist up there close to the top as far as quality goes. There's always going to be a small margin of error (or tolerance) on man made items.

>

> You should actually read then. The grip Titleist puts on this thing is supposed to be about 30g (see their website). The adapter weighs 8g so your shaft is coming in around 70g ignoring epoxie and tape. This is saying your shaft is basically double weight which I doubt. I would double check your scale because tolerance on these things are 1-2g, not enough to be this far off.

 

Back to the topic at hand . . .

 

As the post I’ve quoted above notes, something doesn’t sound right concerning the OP’s claim about the cumulative weight of the shaft, grip, and adapter.

 

Of course, the OP is AWOL and he/she/it isn’t backing up their claim which is now looking false.

[Bad9]

> @JeffreySpicoli said:

> > @Jc0 said:

> > > @Rory4Pres said:

> > > I'm not going to lie, I skipped over a lot of the arguments on this thread. So, your grip should actually weigh around 50-55g I would guess, not 30. Most grips typically weight around that or a little more. Between that and the added glue and tape to hold the head and grip to the shaft, I think it's a lot smaller margin of error than you think.

> > > If you get too caught up in specs, it'll drive you crazy. Trust me, I've been there (and still am at times).

> > > Simply put, if you don't like the club, move on, probably to a different company, although for me, I'd put Titleist up there close to the top as far as quality goes. There's always going to be a small margin of error (or tolerance) on man made items.

> >

> > You should actually read then. The grip Titleist puts on this thing is supposed to be about 30g (see their website). The adapter weighs 8g so your shaft is coming in around 70g ignoring epoxie and tape. This is saying your shaft is basically double weight which I doubt. I would double check your scale because tolerance on these things are 1-2g, not enough to be this far off.

>

> Back to the topic at hand . . .

>

> As the post I’ve quoted above notes, something doesn’t sound right concerning the OP’s claim about the cumulative weight of the shaft, grip, and adapter.

>

> Of course, the OP is AWOL and he/she/it isn’t backing up their claim which is now looking false.

 

Why is it looking false. In the first post he listed the weights of the parts he actually has in hand. Everything after that is just noise about what it should/could be, commentary on Titleist marketing and a whole lot of speculation and BS.

[JeffreySpicoli]

> @Bad9 said:

> > @JeffreySpicoli said:

> > > @Jc0 said:

> > > > @Rory4Pres said:

> > > > I'm not going to lie, I skipped over a lot of the arguments on this thread. So, your grip should actually weigh around 50-55g I would guess, not 30. Most grips typically weight around that or a little more. Between that and the added glue and tape to hold the head and grip to the shaft, I think it's a lot smaller margin of error than you think.

> > > > If you get too caught up in specs, it'll drive you crazy. Trust me, I've been there (and still am at times).

> > > > Simply put, if you don't like the club, move on, probably to a different company, although for me, I'd put Titleist up there close to the top as far as quality goes. There's always going to be a small margin of error (or tolerance) on man made items.

> > >

> > > You should actually read then. The grip Titleist puts on this thing is supposed to be about 30g (see their website). The adapter weighs 8g so your shaft is coming in around 70g ignoring epoxie and tape. This is saying your shaft is basically double weight which I doubt. I would double check your scale because tolerance on these things are 1-2g, not enough to be this far off.

> >

> > Back to the topic at hand . . .

> >

> > As the post I’ve quoted above notes, something doesn’t sound right concerning the OP’s claim about the cumulative weight of the shaft, grip, and adapter.

> >

> > Of course, the OP is AWOL and he/she/it isn’t backing up their claim which is now looking false.

>

> Why is it looking false. In the first post he listed the weights of the parts he actually has in hand. Everything after that is just noise about what it should/could be, commentary on Titleist marketing and a whole lot of speculation and BS.

 

Did you read the post I quoted?

[Bad9]

> @JeffreySpicoli said:

> > @Bad9 said:

> > > @JeffreySpicoli said:

> > > > @Jc0 said:

> > > > > @Rory4Pres said:

> > > > > I'm not going to lie, I skipped over a lot of the arguments on this thread. So, your grip should actually weigh around 50-55g I would guess, not 30. Most grips typically weight around that or a little more. Between that and the added glue and tape to hold the head and grip to the shaft, I think it's a lot smaller margin of error than you think.

> > > > > If you get too caught up in specs, it'll drive you crazy. Trust me, I've been there (and still am at times).

> > > > > Simply put, if you don't like the club, move on, probably to a different company, although for me, I'd put Titleist up there close to the top as far as quality goes. There's always going to be a small margin of error (or tolerance) on man made items.

> > > >

> > > > You should actually read then. The grip Titleist puts on this thing is supposed to be about 30g (see their website). The adapter weighs 8g so your shaft is coming in around 70g ignoring epoxie and tape. This is saying your shaft is basically double weight which I doubt. I would double check your scale because tolerance on these things are 1-2g, not enough to be this far off.

> > >

> > > Back to the topic at hand . . .

> > >

> > > As the post I’ve quoted above notes, something doesn’t sound right concerning the OP’s claim about the cumulative weight of the shaft, grip, and adapter.

> > >

> > > Of course, the OP is AWOL and he/she/it isn’t backing up their claim which is now looking false.

> >

> > Why is it looking false. In the first post he listed the weights of the parts he actually has in hand. Everything after that is just noise about what it should/could be, commentary on Titleist marketing and a whole lot of speculation and BS.

>

> Did you read the post I quoted?

 

Which states what someone thinks it should be vs what the OP has stated the actual weights ARE. Unless you want to call the OP a liar I’d with in hand measurements rather than an uninvolved third parties opinion.

[JeffreySpicoli]

> @Bad9 said:

> > @JeffreySpicoli said:

> > > @Bad9 said:

> > > > @JeffreySpicoli said:

> > > > > @Jc0 said:

> > > > > > @Rory4Pres said:

> > > > > > I'm not going to lie, I skipped over a lot of the arguments on this thread. So, your grip should actually weigh around 50-55g I would guess, not 30. Most grips typically weight around that or a little more. Between that and the added glue and tape to hold the head and grip to the shaft, I think it's a lot smaller margin of error than you think.

> > > > > > If you get too caught up in specs, it'll drive you crazy. Trust me, I've been there (and still am at times).

> > > > > > Simply put, if you don't like the club, move on, probably to a different company, although for me, I'd put Titleist up there close to the top as far as quality goes. There's always going to be a small margin of error (or tolerance) on man made items.

> > > > >

> > > > > You should actually read then. The grip Titleist puts on this thing is supposed to be about 30g (see their website). The adapter weighs 8g so your shaft is coming in around 70g ignoring epoxie and tape. This is saying your shaft is basically double weight which I doubt. I would double check your scale because tolerance on these things are 1-2g, not enough to be this far off.

> > > >

> > > > Back to the topic at hand . . .

> > > >

> > > > As the post I’ve quoted above notes, something doesn’t sound right concerning the OP’s claim about the cumulative weight of the shaft, grip, and adapter.

> > > >

> > > > Of course, the OP is AWOL and he/she/it isn’t backing up their claim which is now looking false.

> > >

> > > Why is it looking false. In the first post he listed the weights of the parts he actually has in hand. Everything after that is just noise about what it should/could be, commentary on Titleist marketing and a whole lot of speculation and BS.

> >

> > Did you read the post I quoted?

>

> Which states what someone thinks it should be vs what the OP has stated the actual weights ARE. Unless you want to call the OP a liar I’d with in hand measurements rather than an uninvolved third parties opinion.

 

Sigh. The OP’s stated total shaft weight makes no sense. 40 gram shaft, 30 gram grip, and 8 gram adapter is 78 grams. OP says it’s 103 grams.

 

Where’d the extra 25 grams come from? It has to come from somewhere.

 

I wouldn’t be surprised if the OP weighed the shaft incorrectly or there’s a different grip installed.

 

If you want to construe that as the OP telling a lie, then that’s up to you.

[johnnythunders]

> @aadadams said:

> Increased weight decreases swing speed with a given club (all other things being equal), so one can swing a lighter club faster, which should translate to more distance.

 

This is marketing bs and is not true for all people. In my case at 67 I tried lighter in the 275 range and all I got was short spiny shots. Went to 335 and boom picked up 25 yards over the 275 driver, there is an optimum weight for everyone, go try different weight shafts, number one fitting variable that will influence your ball striking.

 

 

[Bad9]

> @JeffreySpicoli said:

> > @Bad9 said:

> > > @JeffreySpicoli said:

> > > > @Bad9 said:

> > > > > @JeffreySpicoli said:

> > > > > > @Jc0 said:

> > > > > > > @Rory4Pres said:

> > > > > > > I'm not going to lie, I skipped over a lot of the arguments on this thread. So, your grip should actually weigh around 50-55g I would guess, not 30. Most grips typically weight around that or a little more. Between that and the added glue and tape to hold the head and grip to the shaft, I think it's a lot smaller margin of error than you think.

> > > > > > > If you get too caught up in specs, it'll drive you crazy. Trust me, I've been there (and still am at times).

> > > > > > > Simply put, if you don't like the club, move on, probably to a different company, although for me, I'd put Titleist up there close to the top as far as quality goes. There's always going to be a small margin of error (or tolerance) on man made items.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > You should actually read then. The grip Titleist puts on this thing is supposed to be about 30g (see their website). The adapter weighs 8g so your shaft is coming in around 70g ignoring epoxie and tape. This is saying your shaft is basically double weight which I doubt. I would double check your scale because tolerance on these things are 1-2g, not enough to be this far off.

> > > > >

> > > > > Back to the topic at hand . . .

> > > > >

> > > > > As the post I’ve quoted above notes, something doesn’t sound right concerning the OP’s claim about the cumulative weight of the shaft, grip, and adapter.

> > > > >

> > > > > Of course, the OP is AWOL and he/she/it isn’t backing up their claim which is now looking false.

> > > >

> > > > Why is it looking false. In the first post he listed the weights of the parts he actually has in hand. Everything after that is just noise about what it should/could be, commentary on Titleist marketing and a whole lot of speculation and BS.

> > >

> > > Did you read the post I quoted?

> >

> > Which states what someone thinks it should be vs what the OP has stated the actual weights ARE. Unless you want to call the OP a liar I’d with in hand measurements rather than an uninvolved third parties opinion.

>

> Sigh. The OP’s stated total shaft weight makes no sense. 40 gram shaft, 30 gram grip, and 8 gram adapter is 78 grams. OP says it’s 103 grams.

>

> **Where’d the extra 25 grams come from? It has to come from somewhere.**

>

> I wouldn’t be surprised if the OP weighed the shaft incorrectly or there’s a different grip installed.

>

> If you want to construe that as the OP telling a lie, then that’s up to you.

 

Sigh. the bolded part is what it boils down to what the OP is asking. Its supposed to be 78 grams but he says its actually 103 grams. You are the one who doesn't believe him and is inferring he is lying not me.(see you post #66) You can twist stuff around all you want but you are the one questioning what he says is in hand, not what Titleist markets it as.

[JeffreySpicoli]

> @Bad9 said:

> > @JeffreySpicoli said:

> > > @Bad9 said:

> > > > @JeffreySpicoli said:

> > > > > @Bad9 said:

> > > > > > @JeffreySpicoli said:

> > > > > > > @Jc0 said:

> > > > > > > > @Rory4Pres said:

> > > > > > > > I'm not going to lie, I skipped over a lot of the arguments on this thread. So, your grip should actually weigh around 50-55g I would guess, not 30. Most grips typically weight around that or a little more. Between that and the added glue and tape to hold the head and grip to the shaft, I think it's a lot smaller margin of error than you think.

> > > > > > > > If you get too caught up in specs, it'll drive you crazy. Trust me, I've been there (and still am at times).

> > > > > > > > Simply put, if you don't like the club, move on, probably to a different company, although for me, I'd put Titleist up there close to the top as far as quality goes. There's always going to be a small margin of error (or tolerance) on man made items.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > You should actually read then. The grip Titleist puts on this thing is supposed to be about 30g (see their website). The adapter weighs 8g so your shaft is coming in around 70g ignoring epoxie and tape. This is saying your shaft is basically double weight which I doubt. I would double check your scale because tolerance on these things are 1-2g, not enough to be this far off.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Back to the topic at hand . . .

> > > > > >

> > > > > > As the post I’ve quoted above notes, something doesn’t sound right concerning the OP’s claim about the cumulative weight of the shaft, grip, and adapter.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Of course, the OP is AWOL and he/she/it isn’t backing up their claim which is now looking false.

> > > > >

> > > > > Why is it looking false. In the first post he listed the weights of the parts he actually has in hand. Everything after that is just noise about what it should/could be, commentary on Titleist marketing and a whole lot of speculation and BS.

> > > >

> > > > Did you read the post I quoted?

> > >

> > > Which states what someone thinks it should be vs what the OP has stated the actual weights ARE. Unless you want to call the OP a liar I’d with in hand measurements rather than an uninvolved third parties opinion.

> >

> > Sigh. The OP’s stated total shaft weight makes no sense. 40 gram shaft, 30 gram grip, and 8 gram adapter is 78 grams. OP says it’s 103 grams.

> >

> > **Where’d the extra 25 grams come from? It has to come from somewhere.**

> >

> > I wouldn’t be surprised if the OP weighed the shaft incorrectly or there’s a different grip installed.

> >

> > If you want to construe that as the OP telling a lie, then that’s up to you.

>

> Sigh. the bolded part is what it boils down to what the OP is asking. Its supposed to be 78 grams but he says its actually 103 grams. You are the one who doesn't believe him and is inferring he is lying not me.(see you post #66) You can twist stuff around all you want but you are the one questioning what he says is in hand, not what Titleist markets it as.

 

So you believe whatever someone posts on the Internet? You’re sure a gullible little fella.

 

Edit: And my noting that this looks like a false claim is very different than calling someone a liar. You’re unreliable, too.

[PapaJohick]

Well to just add another and further venture from the OP haha

 

If you're looking for a lighter weight set up that seems to perform based on reviews and what not I have seen, the new wilson D7 could be a legit contender.

 

Head: 192 grams

Shaft: UST Mamiya Helium at 45-57 grams depending on flex

[setter02]

> @JeffreySpicoli said:

> > @Bad9 said:

> > > @JeffreySpicoli said:

> > > > @Bad9 said:

> > > > > @JeffreySpicoli said:

> > > > > > @Bad9 said:

> > > > > > > @JeffreySpicoli said:

> > > > > > > > @Jc0 said:

> > > > > > > > > @Rory4Pres said:

> > > > > > > > > I'm not going to lie, I skipped over a lot of the arguments on this thread. So, your grip should actually weigh around 50-55g I would guess, not 30. Most grips typically weight around that or a little more. Between that and the added glue and tape to hold the head and grip to the shaft, I think it's a lot smaller margin of error than you think.

> > > > > > > > > If you get too caught up in specs, it'll drive you crazy. Trust me, I've been there (and still am at times).

> > > > > > > > > Simply put, if you don't like the club, move on, probably to a different company, although for me, I'd put Titleist up there close to the top as far as quality goes. There's always going to be a small margin of error (or tolerance) on man made items.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > You should actually read then. The grip Titleist puts on this thing is supposed to be about 30g (see their website). The adapter weighs 8g so your shaft is coming in around 70g ignoring epoxie and tape. This is saying your shaft is basically double weight which I doubt. I would double check your scale because tolerance on these things are 1-2g, not enough to be this far off.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Back to the topic at hand . . .

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > As the post I’ve quoted above notes, something doesn’t sound right concerning the OP’s claim about the cumulative weight of the shaft, grip, and adapter.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Of course, the OP is AWOL and he/she/it isn’t backing up their claim which is now looking false.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Why is it looking false. In the first post he listed the weights of the parts he actually has in hand. Everything after that is just noise about what it should/could be, commentary on Titleist marketing and a whole lot of speculation and BS.

> > > > >

> > > > > Did you read the post I quoted?

> > > >

> > > > Which states what someone thinks it should be vs what the OP has stated the actual weights ARE. Unless you want to call the OP a liar I’d with in hand measurements rather than an uninvolved third parties opinion.

> > >

> > > Sigh. The OP’s stated total shaft weight makes no sense. 40 gram shaft, 30 gram grip, and 8 gram adapter is 78 grams. OP says it’s 103 grams.

> > >

> > > **Where’d the extra 25 grams come from? It has to come from somewhere.**

> > >

> > > I wouldn’t be surprised if the OP weighed the shaft incorrectly or there’s a different grip installed.

> > >

> > > If you want to construe that as the OP telling a lie, then that’s up to you.

> >

> > Sigh. the bolded part is what it boils down to what the OP is asking. Its supposed to be 78 grams but he says its actually 103 grams. You are the one who doesn't believe him and is inferring he is lying not me.(see you post #66) You can twist stuff around all you want but you are the one questioning what he says is in hand, not what Titleist markets it as.

>

> So you believe whatever someone posts on the Internet? You’re sure a gullible little fella.

>

> Edit: And my noting that this looks like a false claim is very different than calling someone a liar. You’re unreliable, too.

 

Nah kiddo, you've basically tried to make this thread about you... Your opinion or stated 'facts' are to be taken as law and how dare anyone have a differing opinion... As I said previously, pathetic.

[JeffreySpicoli]

> @gwelfgulfer said:

> > @JeffreySpicoli said:

> > > @Bad9 said:

> > > > @JeffreySpicoli said:

> > > > > @Bad9 said:

> > > > > > @JeffreySpicoli said:

> > > > > > > @Bad9 said:

> > > > > > > > @JeffreySpicoli said:

> > > > > > > > > @Jc0 said:

> > > > > > > > > > @Rory4Pres said:

> > > > > > > > > > I'm not going to lie, I skipped over a lot of the arguments on this thread. So, your grip should actually weigh around 50-55g I would guess, not 30. Most grips typically weight around that or a little more. Between that and the added glue and tape to hold the head and grip to the shaft, I think it's a lot smaller margin of error than you think.

> > > > > > > > > > If you get too caught up in specs, it'll drive you crazy. Trust me, I've been there (and still am at times).

> > > > > > > > > > Simply put, if you don't like the club, move on, probably to a different company, although for me, I'd put Titleist up there close to the top as far as quality goes. There's always going to be a small margin of error (or tolerance) on man made items.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > You should actually read then. The grip Titleist puts on this thing is supposed to be about 30g (see their website). The adapter weighs 8g so your shaft is coming in around 70g ignoring epoxie and tape. This is saying your shaft is basically double weight which I doubt. I would double check your scale because tolerance on these things are 1-2g, not enough to be this far off.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Back to the topic at hand . . .

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > As the post I’ve quoted above notes, something doesn’t sound right concerning the OP’s claim about the cumulative weight of the shaft, grip, and adapter.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Of course, the OP is AWOL and he/she/it isn’t backing up their claim which is now looking false.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Why is it looking false. In the first post he listed the weights of the parts he actually has in hand. Everything after that is just noise about what it should/could be, commentary on Titleist marketing and a whole lot of speculation and BS.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Did you read the post I quoted?

> > > > >

> > > > > Which states what someone thinks it should be vs what the OP has stated the actual weights ARE. Unless you want to call the OP a liar I’d with in hand measurements rather than an uninvolved third parties opinion.

> > > >

> > > > Sigh. The OP’s stated total shaft weight makes no sense. 40 gram shaft, 30 gram grip, and 8 gram adapter is 78 grams. OP says it’s 103 grams.

> > > >

> > > > **Where’d the extra 25 grams come from? It has to come from somewhere.**

> > > >

> > > > I wouldn’t be surprised if the OP weighed the shaft incorrectly or there’s a different grip installed.

> > > >

> > > > If you want to construe that as the OP telling a lie, then that’s up to you.

> > >

> > > Sigh. the bolded part is what it boils down to what the OP is asking. Its supposed to be 78 grams but he says its actually 103 grams. You are the one who doesn't believe him and is inferring he is lying not me.(see you post #66) You can twist stuff around all you want but you are the one questioning what he says is in hand, not what Titleist markets it as.

> >

> > So you believe whatever someone posts on the Internet? You’re sure a gullible little fella.

> >

> > Edit: And my noting that this looks like a false claim is very different than calling someone a liar. You’re unreliable, too.

>

> Nah kiddo, you've basically tried to make this thread about you... Your opinion or stated 'facts' are to be taken as law and how dare anyone have a differing opinion... As I said previously, pathetic.

 

You sure lack self-awareness. You’ve posted more in this thread than I have and all you’ve done is rage at other WRX members.

 

Back to topic . . .

 

Still looks like the probability is that the OP didn’t weight the shaft correctly or there’s a standard rather than lite Tour Velvet grip (or a similar 50 to 60 gram grip.)

 

But we will probably never know as the OP won’t be back here or if he/she/it comes back, they will report that Titleist refunded them for the driver or they replaced it with one at or near 275 grams total.

[Bubbtubbs]

> @"moko jumby" said:

> confused why someone with concerns about the specifics of their golf equipment is coming under fire here of all places?

> where exactly is a more appropriate place to discuss this sort of thing?

> if you want to make slice jokes and say equipment details don't matter why in gods name are you spending part of your finite mortal life on the golfwrx equipment forum

 

I m> @JeffreySpicoli said:

> > @gwelfgulfer said:

> > > @JeffreySpicoli said:

> > > > @Bad9 said:

> > > > > @JeffreySpicoli said:

> > > > > > @Bad9 said:

> > > > > > > @JeffreySpicoli said:

> > > > > > > > @Bad9 said:

> > > > > > > > > @JeffreySpicoli said:

> > > > > > > > > > @Jc0 said:

> > > > > > > > > > > @Rory4Pres said:

> > > > > > > > > > > I'm not going to lie, I skipped over a lot of the arguments on this thread. So, your grip should actually weigh around 50-55g I would guess, not 30. Most grips typically weight around that or a little more. Between that and the added glue and tape to hold the head and grip to the shaft, I think it's a lot smaller margin of error than you think.

> > > > > > > > > > > If you get too caught up in specs, it'll drive you crazy. Trust me, I've been there (and still am at times).

> > > > > > > > > > > Simply put, if you don't like the club, move on, probably to a different company, although for me, I'd put Titleist up there close to the top as far as quality goes. There's always going to be a small margin of error (or tolerance) on man made items.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > You should actually read then. The grip Titleist puts on this thing is supposed to be about 30g (see their website). The adapter weighs 8g so your shaft is coming in around 70g ignoring epoxie and tape. This is saying your shaft is basically double weight which I doubt. I would double check your scale because tolerance on these things are 1-2g, not enough to be this far off.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Back to the topic at hand . . .

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > As the post I’ve quoted above notes, something doesn’t sound right concerning the OP’s claim about the cumulative weight of the shaft, grip, and adapter.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Of course, the OP is AWOL and he/she/it isn’t backing up their claim which is now looking false.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Why is it looking false. In the first post he listed the weights of the parts he actually has in hand. Everything after that is just noise about what it should/could be, commentary on Titleist marketing and a whole lot of speculation and BS.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Did you read the post I quoted?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Which states what someone thinks it should be vs what the OP has stated the actual weights ARE. Unless you want to call the OP a liar I’d with in hand measurements rather than an uninvolved third parties opinion.

> > > > >

> > > > > Sigh. The OP’s stated total shaft weight makes no sense. 40 gram shaft, 30 gram grip, and 8 gram adapter is 78 grams. OP says it’s 103 grams.

> > > > >

> > > > > **Where’d the extra 25 grams come from? It has to come from somewhere.**

> > > > >

> > > > > I wouldn’t be surprised if the OP weighed the shaft incorrectly or there’s a different grip installed.

> > > > >

> > > > > If you want to construe that as the OP telling a lie, then that’s up to you.

> > > >

> > > > Sigh. the bolded part is what it boils down to what the OP is asking. Its supposed to be 78 grams but he says its actually 103 grams. You are the one who doesn't believe him and is inferring he is lying not me.(see you post #66) You can twist stuff around all you want but you are the one questioning what he says is in hand, not what Titleist markets it as.

> > >

> > > So you believe whatever someone posts on the Internet? You’re sure a gullible little fella.

> > >

> > > Edit: And my noting that this looks like a false claim is very different than calling someone a liar. You’re unreliable, too.

> >

> > Nah kiddo, you've basically tried to make this thread about you... Your opinion or stated 'facts' are to be taken as law and how dare anyone have a differing opinion... As I said previously, pathetic.

>

> You sure lack self-awareness. You’ve posted more in this thread than I have and all you’ve done is rage at other WRX members.

>

> Back to topic . . .

>

> Still looks like the probability is that the OP didn’t weight the shaft correctly or there’s a standard rather than lite Tour Velvet grip (or a similar 50 to 60 gram grip.)

>

> But we will probably never know as the OP won’t be back here or if he/she/it comes back, they will report that Titleist refunded them for the driver or they replaced it with one at or near 275 grams total.

 

I just don't get why you wouldn't take it up with the retailer or Titleist. Surely it's a fixable problem for them - what's the forum supposed to do about it?

[mogc60]

Fight like cats back and forth about it of course. Poor guy just wanted a 275 gram driver for Pete’s sake. ****in Titleist

[JeffreySpicoli]

> @mogc60 said:

> Fight like cats back and forth about it of course. Poor guy just wanted a 275 gram driver for Pete’s sake. ****in Titleist

 

That’s the point though. We don’t know that Titleist is the cause of this problem and, if they are, that this is an issue beyond this one shaft.

 

The OP wouldn’t be the first poster to make a false claim here or on the Internet.

 

[mogc60]

> @JeffreySpicoli said:

> > @mogc60 said:

> > Fight like cats back and forth about it of course. Poor guy just wanted a 275 gram driver for Pete’s sake. ****in Titleist

>

> That’s the point though. We don’t know that Titleist is the cause of this problem and, if they are, that this is an issue beyond this one shaft.

>

> The OP wouldn’t be the first poster to make a false claim here or on the Internet.

>

 

Let’s assume just for fun that the OP is actually being honest. It’s 25 grams off...that would be a Titleist issue. Can’t blame everything on the internet or the government or intels incels or infidels...

[BottleCap]

> @gvogel said:

> > @agolf1 said:

> > > @dciccoritti said:

> > > So the TS1 driver is a disappointment?

> > We don't know how it actually hits the ball yet.

>

> Which was exactly what I came to this thread for. I have a deteriorated rotator cuff tendon, and came here looking for a swing that is diminishing in speed.

 

Have you tried an XXIO driver?

[JeffreySpicoli]

> @mogc60 said:

> > @JeffreySpicoli said:

> > > @mogc60 said:

> > > Fight like cats back and forth about it of course. Poor guy just wanted a 275 gram driver for Pete’s sake. ****in Titleist

> >

> > That’s the point though. We don’t know that Titleist is the cause of this problem and, if they are, that this is an issue beyond this one shaft.

> >

> > The OP wouldn’t be the first poster to make a false claim here or on the Internet.

> >

>

> Let’s assume just for fun that the OP is actually being honest. It’s 25 grams off...that would be a Titleist issue. Can’t blame everything on the internet or the government or intels incels or infidels...

 

And how would the shaft be that far off? The OP reports the shaft is the 40 gram version with the 30 gram grip.

[mogc60]

> @JeffreySpicoli said:

> > @mogc60 said:

> > > @JeffreySpicoli said:

> > > > @mogc60 said:

> > > > Fight like cats back and forth about it of course. Poor guy just wanted a 275 gram driver for Pete’s sake. ****in Titleist

> > >

> > > That’s the point though. We don’t know that Titleist is the cause of this problem and, if they are, that this is an issue beyond this one shaft.

> > >

> > > The OP wouldn’t be the first poster to make a false claim here or on the Internet.

> > >

> >

> > Let’s assume just for fun that the OP is actually being honest. It’s 25 grams off...that would be a Titleist issue. Can’t blame everything on the internet or the government or intels incels or infidels...

>

> And how would the shaft be that far off? The OP reports the shaft is the 40 gram version with the 30 gram grip.

 

Did I ever say the shaft was off? It’s 25 grams too heavy. My guess is the grip but regardless it’s 25 grams off. The guy said he contacted Titleist and waiting on a response and asked for any ideas on what it could be. Then gets his ass ate for pointing out that the holy kingdom of Titleist and it’s band of brothers goofed on this one. Had he said it was a Wilson everyone would have sent him a gift card and told him how right he is.

[mogc60]

Honestly?? Who’s in the wrong here? I don’t see why this guy gets bashed by a couple of people on here like he was tearing the heck out of Titleist. He was curious as to what could have been the problem. I don’t see anything he said that deserved that. The guy buys a stock club that’s 25 grams off from what’s listed as spec. Asks what the issue might be on a golf forum and gets lit up by the loft police and told he has a 200 yard slice.

[Mr. Grumpy]

Why is it so hard to believe that the OP weighed it wrong? I mean it should be simple, check scale, return club, get another. It really is not solvable here which is why some of the member are posting the way they are. Maybe the OP really wasn't looking for an "answer, ideas" and just wanted to be heard.. Anywhoo,, those that delivered the driver, box store or Titleist will provide the info the OP needs...

[mogc60]

Isn’t every post on here someone looking for ideas or wanting to be heard.

[Mr. Grumpy]

> @mogc60 said:

> Isn’t every post on here someone looking for ideas or wanting to be heard.

 

Yes,, and the OP asked for ideas as to why the weight could be off. Granted some will always post a snide remark,, some will genuinely offer helpful remarks and some will white knight when things go south for the OP.. All pretty normal here..

[mogc60]

> @"Mr. Grumpy" said:

> > @mogc60 said:

> > Isn’t every post on here someone looking for ideas or wanting to be heard.

>

> Yes,, and the OP asked for ideas as to why the weight could be off. Granted some will always post a snide remark,, some will genuinely offer helpful remarks and some will white knight when things go south for the OP.. All pretty normal here..

 

Hahaha...well said my friend.

[1Mordrid1]

The question to me is not whether or not the driver received from the OEM's total weight is off, the question is what are realistic expectations from commercially available golf equipment.

 

Can we really expect Titleist, Callaway, Taylormade, and Cobra to weigh every component from every club they assemble. And then turn around and weigh the finished club as well. Or should those of us who are going to be that specific about a club's final weight, be going to a specialty fitting shop like Cool Clubs or Club Champion or even a tour van fitting, to where you are "paying" for that extra attention to detail. There is a lot wider margin for getting a correct swingweight than there is for trying to have an exact total weight.

 

I try to have no delusions when dealing with OEMs. Their goal is balance moving as much product as they can, while maximizing profit. Unfortunately this means there will be less attention to detail. How many times have we all ordered clubs direct from the OEM or through a large retailer with specific specs, just to get them in with at least one or 2 clubs way out of spec in respect to the other clubs. Is this right? NO. But is this within the margin of error of the industry standard ? Unfortunately YES. But in most cases, you can send the club right back to the OEM and they will correct any major oversights. But IMO there is a difference in expecting clubs to be bent to the right loft and lie, and expecting a club to come in at an exact total weight. One requires a lot more detail.

 

So this is just my opinion. If someone is extremely particular about their clubs, and wants a very personalized and detailed experience then they should either be assembling them on their own, or having a "specialized" fitter building their clubs. Anyone buying from a large retail outlet or directly from the OEM and expecting an extremely personalized and detailed experience will more likely than not end up disappointed.

[dciccoritti]

> @jjfcpa said:

> > @balls_deep said:

> > > @gwelfgulfer said:

> > > > @balls_deep said:

> > > > > @gwelfgulfer said:

> > > > > > @balls_deep said:

> > > > > > > @gwelfgulfer said:

> > > > > > > > @balls_deep said:

> > > > > > > > This right here is why golf companies must absolutely hate their customer bases. Literally having a stroke over a slight weight difference.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Yeah, I'd hate it for people to call me out on what I say in ads to try and garner them to spend money on over priced products to make sure I hit target sales for bonuses. Being almost 10% off of advertised spec isn't small potatoes...

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Yeah that 10% difference is going to make a drastic difference in a 200 yard slice.

> > > > >

> > > > > You literally just started a thread crying about jacked up lofts and how it is almost dishonest to the avg golfer who doesn't know any better... But you magically defend a 10% out of advertised spec club... Might be time for you to log out...

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > You like to follow me around. I'm in Ontario as well you might as well just come over and hang.

> > >

> > > You replied to my comment, thus triggering an alert, to which I replied to... I'm just trying to figure out the weak ego of being called out for something so pathetic, or if you understand hypocrisy at all.

> >

> > I'm not sure you fully understand it. Quality control and marketing are not the same thing. This guy weighed his driver, figured out it's off and then made a whiny post about it. Get it dealt with and move on. My comment re: drive length was probably out of line and more reactionary to you rather than OP. To be frank, I think the marketing of both this and distance irons is a sham. I don't think giving anyone who struggles with driver something nearly 46" is responsible product development. They can't hit the ball far so make them a super long club that's hard to control and give them less weight which generally promotes an OTT swing. "That's okay, just make it super upright and close the face". Great.

>

> I think the OP post was informative. Yes, it did have a whiny tone to it, but it does bring home the point that manufacturers are selling products that don't match their advertising. As they have always said, buyer beware! If nothing else, this should alert other golfers who purchase the TS1.

 

Beware of what? Has Titleist responded yet? Is the TS1 the first ever golf club that wasn't delivered to spec? Should everyone beware of the Cally PM Grind because mine arrived in the dark finish and the wrong grip?

> @mogc60 said:

>

> Honestly?? Who’s in the wrong here? I don’t see why this guy gets bashed by a couple of people on here like he was tearing the heck out of Titleist. He was curious as to what could have been the problem. I don’t see anything he said that deserved that. The guy buys a stock club that’s 25 grams off from what’s listed as spec. Asks what the issue might be on a golf forum and gets lit up by the loft police and told he has a 200 yard slice.

 

The title of the thread is a deceptive bash. Many clubs have been received not to spec and most, if not all issues were resolved with the OEM. Instead of giving Titleist a chance to respond and resolve the issue, he bashes their product on a public forum. The title clearly insinuates the product doesn't perform well until you read the OP's first post only to find out it 'may' not be to spec as advertised. How do we know the OP is right? You think Titleist is going advertise 275g for a standard set up and be wrong about it? Maybe, but I somehow doubt it.

 

Will the OP come back to his own thread and let us know how this situation was resolved? We'll see. I'm subscribed so I'll be waiting. Sorry but I can't help but be suspicious regarding 'bash' threads by posters with a very small post count.