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If you are talking about this one https://www.golfworks.ca/exact-measure-tool/p/tmr/ I have been using the Golfsmith version for 20+yrs. The only thing that really matters is that it is consistent for clubs that you measure. Given the differences in how different companies measure clubs(outlined in a various threads here over the years) it really is the only factor you need to worry about.

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9 hours ago, Nickthurgood said:

I know this is an older thread but I just received my Ralph Maltby Ruler (accounts for lie angle) from GolfWorks. Very high quality but is consistently reading 3/16ths longer than stated OEM specs. For example and Ungripped “Standard” SIM measured to 45-7/8ths @ 56* lie angle. Every other club coming in similarly long across varying brands. I have access to a Mitchell Ruler which seems to be right on but this one is surprisingly long. Anyone else have one of these?   

I assume it is this one:  Several comments on the Golfworks site for this ruler that say measurement it is inaccurate.  Don't know how that happens, but sounds like you should've gotten the Mitchell one.  I've used the Auditor for a long time (actually before Golfworks sold them) and it is true.

 

 

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Ping G400 9º TFC 419 Stiff at 45"

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Ping i20 3 Hyb 707H Stiff
Rogue 3iron Recoil 660 F3 +1/2"
X2 Hot 4-PW Recoil 660 F3 +1/2"
Vokey SM2 52º cc, Ping ES 56º and ES 60º
Ping Sigma2 Valor at 34.75"
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4 hours ago, kiwii said:

Not sure if this helps at all but there are a few videos on youtube of the OEM tour vans. Here is Ping: (club measuring is at 7min mark)

 

 

Hadn't watched this specific one before.  3 things really stood out. 

One was the measuring of the irons.  Claimed the USGA mandated a 58º angle for irons.  Totally false. The USGA only uses 60º.  Sounds like Ping has come up with a number that works for them without having to adjust the device for every head.

Two was the crappola about memory in the heads when bending them.  Clearly doesn't understand the physics and just toes the party line.

Three was the digital measurement of the woods loft and the variability is mostly in the adaptors and not so much in the heads.  This makes real sense.

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Ping G400 9º TFC 419 Stiff at 45"

Jazz 3 wd Powercoil Stiff
Ping i20 3 Hyb 707H Stiff
Rogue 3iron Recoil 660 F3 +1/2"
X2 Hot 4-PW Recoil 660 F3 +1/2"
Vokey SM2 52º cc, Ping ES 56º and ES 60º
Ping Sigma2 Valor at 34.75"
MCC Align Midsize

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15 hours ago, kiwii said:

Here's for PXG: (50 sec in)

 

Well, that answered one or two questions I had about PXG assembly.  Wow!!  If I used that much QuickCenter for my assemblies I'd have to say that I sucked as a clubmaker.

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Ping G400 9º TFC 419 Stiff at 45"

Jazz 3 wd Powercoil Stiff
Ping i20 3 Hyb 707H Stiff
Rogue 3iron Recoil 660 F3 +1/2"
X2 Hot 4-PW Recoil 660 F3 +1/2"
Vokey SM2 52º cc, Ping ES 56º and ES 60º
Ping Sigma2 Valor at 34.75"
MCC Align Midsize

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7 hours ago, Stuart_G said:

Don't assume that the Tour vans use the same methods as the factories.

They actually used more than I thought they would.  Just found it odd that they came up with a diff lie angle to use for irons and gave some BS story.

Ping G400 9º TFC 419 Stiff at 45"

Jazz 3 wd Powercoil Stiff
Ping i20 3 Hyb 707H Stiff
Rogue 3iron Recoil 660 F3 +1/2"
X2 Hot 4-PW Recoil 660 F3 +1/2"
Vokey SM2 52º cc, Ping ES 56º and ES 60º
Ping Sigma2 Valor at 34.75"
MCC Align Midsize

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On 11/6/2020 at 5:02 PM, kiwii said:

Not sure if this helps at all but there are a few videos on youtube of the OEM tour vans. Here is Ping: (club measuring is at 7min mark)

 

 

First time I've hears 58* for irons.  As Stuart said, can't count on Tour Van's using same process as factories.  The Saga continues.  

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I think OEM club length is almost secondary to how designers, using CAD, configure heads using various materials.  I have five sets of irons going back to 2000 in the garage storage closet.  I am sure history has its influences when it comes to club length.  All five sets by different OEM's, have the same club length specs for each club, as my Titleist 620 MB & CB series sets.  Nonetheless, lofts vary by a degree, lie angles vary a bit, bounce 1-2*.

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On 11/3/2020 at 1:20 AM, Nickthurgood said:

I know this is an older thread but I just received my Ralph Maltby Ruler (accounts for lie angle) from GolfWorks. Very high quality but is consistently reading 3/16ths longer than stated OEM specs. For example and Ungripped “Standard” SIM measured to 45-7/8ths @ 56* lie angle. Every other club coming in similarly long across varying brands. I have access to a Mitchell Ruler which seems to be right on but this one is surprisingly long. Anyone else have one of these?   

Interesting....I picked up a Mitchell Ruler this spring and I have found it to measure slightly shorter usually 1/8” than the 60* USGA method I’ve used in the past...needless to say as long as the build lengths are consistent I’m not worried.

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What would be interesting is have someone send the same iron around to the OEM's and ask them to measure the length. So far we have seen the possibility of at least a 1/4 inch difference.

 

I love when people say their clubs were say 1/2inch longer over standard when there is no standard. Some OEM's do not even use the same length standard between their product lines. I have seen as much as a 3/4 in difference

 

Year back the old PCS had a frequency machine calibration dummy club they sent to clubmakers and a spreadsheet. They were to measure the CPM and enter the reading in a cell on the spreadsheet and the spreadsheet would compute any differences and print out a chart. That was when a PCS Clubmaker said a club was say 5.6 FCM another PCS Clubmaker would show the same 5.6 FCM even if the  two frequency machines had a different reading. Basically the spreadsheet was the calibrator.

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On 5/19/2021 at 4:54 PM, mistaklavin said:

Didn't happen to see any mention of Srixon on this thread. Anyone have any idea of how they measure length?

I just bought some zipcores, completely stock standard, and the playing length is bang on the advertised number on the website. So cleveland appear to measure including cap (there's no dome on the standard grip), so I imagine Srixon would do the same.

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9 hours ago, rt_charger said:

I just bought some zipcores, completely stock standard, and the playing length is bang on the advertised number on the website. So cleveland appear to measure including cap (there's no dome on the standard grip), so I imagine Srixon would do the same.

 

Appreciate the follow up and good to know. I ordered a set of ZX7s a quarter inch over, so when they get in I'll chime in here to let you guys know what I see.

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