Tried all the new mp 20s today

[grantc79]

The blades felt great as they always do

 

The MMC also felt really good

 

I couldn't get over the hot metal blade though they looked fantastic felt much much better than hot metal pros and obviously silly long.

 

The hot metal blade felt extremely soft for a distance iron I think they will sell very well.

 

EDIT: More in depth review

 

I tested all with the $ Taper shaft.

 

The HMB was very forgiving, my miss is typically toe or low on the face and neither miss punished me badly. I had enough feedback I could tell where I missed it but I only lost a few yards and still got plenty of height. Overall the launch was very high but the $ Taper kept the spin down so it wasn't an issue. Was getting peak heights of about 40 yards with a 7 iron but spin down around 5000 with a draw. Cuts were producing spin just under 6000 with a 7 iron. So very low spin but launching high enough with a high descent angle that the ball just died wherever it landed.

 

The MMC felt a TOUCH softer but wasn't quite as forgiving. It launched a touch lower but I was getting very similar spin numbers, not much difference there. Basically more compact, thinner top line, less forgiving, SLIGHTLY softer feel.

 

The Mp 20 was quite forgiving for a blade, I felt like I could have played it but I'm not sure why I would. Launched a touch lower, maybe spun a touch more but not much. I had a couple that were a groove or two low and a couple toe hits. It was a bit more punishing on mishits with a bit more feedback but overall it wasn't bad and I felt like I could bag them. Just not sure why I would because I liked the feel of the HMB and it was a ton longer and more forgiving.

 

 

To sum it up with the old Hot Metal Pro I felt like you give up a lot of feel and feedback to get the distance and forgiveness. With the new Hot Metal Blade I didn't feel like I gave feel or feedback and still got great distance and forgiveness. The Hot metal blade feels better than any distance iron I've ever hit. There was no "click" feel of most hollow headed clubs, I found it to be pretty muted.

 

 

The MMC was a great club in its own right and so was the MP 20 blade, but realistically I couldn't make myself buy anything other than the hot metal blade because I don't feel like I give up feel, feedback, or that famous Mizuno "smoosh" feel but I'm getting loads of distance and forgiveness.

[Foreleft]

Any comments on the relative forgiveness between the models - particularly, MMC & HMB (assuming MB is as forgiving as a MB gets)

[Chuck905]

I think HMB stands for Hollow Muscleback?

[JDMRN81]

I’m 99.9% sure it’s hot metal blade.

 

 

[Dudee]

Thanks OP. I am really excited about the MP20 line, specifically the MMC. Looking forward to more reviews on the entire lineup including the T20 wedges.

[grantc79]

> @Foreleft said:

> Any comments on the relative forgiveness between the models - particularly, MMC & HMB (assuming MB is as forgiving as a MB gets)

 

Sure I tested all with the $ Taper shaft.

 

The HMB was very forgiving, my miss is typically toe or low on the face and neither miss punished me badly. I had enough feedback I could tell where I missed it but I only lost a few yards and still got plenty of height. Overall the launch was very high but the $ Taper kept the spin down so it wasn't an issue. Was getting peak heights of about 40 yards with a 7 iron but spin down around 5000 with a draw. Cuts were producing spin just under 6000 with a 7 iron. So very low spin but launching high enough with a high descent angle that the ball just died wherever it landed.

 

The MMC felt a TOUCH softer but wasn't quite as forgiving. It launched a touch lower but I was getting very similar spin numbers, not much difference there. Basically more compact, thinner top line, less forgiving, SLIGHTLY softer feel.

 

The Mp 20 was quite forgiving for a blade, I felt like I could have played it but I'm not sure why I would. Launched a touch lower, maybe spun a touch more but not much. I had a couple that were a groove or two low and a couple toe hits. It was a bit more punishing on mishits with a bit more feedback but overall it wasn't bad and I felt like I could bag them. Just not sure why I would because I liked the feel of the HMB and it was a ton longer and more forgiving.

 

 

To sum it up with the old Hot Metal Pro I felt like you give up a lot of feel and feedback to get the distance and forgiveness. With the new Hot Metal Blade I didn't feel like I gave feel or feedback and still got great distance and forgiveness. The Hot metal blade feels better than any distance iron I've ever hit. There was no "click" feel of most hollow headed clubs, I found it to be pretty muted.

 

 

The MMC was a great club in its own right and so was the MP 20 blade, but realistically I couldn't make myself buy anything other than the hot metal blade because I don't feel like I give up feel, feedback, or that famous Mizuno "smoosh" feel but I'm getting loads of distance and forgiveness.

 

 

 

[tets]

Shop owner told me today it stands for hot metal blade

> I think HMB stands for Hollow Muscleback?

 

 

[tets]

Hit all 3 new ones inside today .. long time mizuno player/fan. I have had the following mizuno sets 14, 29, Pro, Pro ll, 33, 32, 30, 60, Grad, 69, 900 forged and tried all 18 models. The 20s felt good, BUT ... then I hit the new Taylor Made P790. They felt like butter, actually softer than the Mizuno's, everything about them felt better. There was another guy in the shop that said he was a "mizuno guy" and didn't like Taylor Made. I said hit these. He couldn't believe it either. Again this was inside, but I may be ordering the 790s

[Chuck905]

> @tets said:

> Shop owner told me today it stands for hot metal blade

> > I think HMB stands for Hollow Muscleback?

>

>

 

You guys are correct based on the released literature. I did hear CV say hollow muscle back in a video.

 

Anyways, after reviewing the specs, the two iron intrigues me with the tungsten material, and at 16* of loft; one can deloft it down to 15* as a wood replacement or stretch out my (2-PW) blade set) as well.

 

This HMB is lights years ahead of that awful Fli-hi, that stupid semi cavity back was retarding the proper launch conditions and forgiveness.

 

 

[BCA]

OP, I notice that your sig shows that you’re currently playing Hot Metal Pros. Have you been playing them most of the year? Sounds like you are planning to go back in the direction of MPs mainly for the feel and feedback but I was just curious if there is anything else about the HMPs that you aren’t enjoying.

 

I’m love my current Mizunos (MP-54 and MP-5 combo) and am looking into going with Hot Metal Pros mainly because I haven’t been playing as much and am looking for a little extra forgiveness and distance. I’m willing to give up some feel to get it but I guess something about these high tech irons give me pause. Played with a friend a couple weeks ago who has P790s and he hit a few low trajectory fliers....he flew at least 3 greens that I can recall and each of them surprised him. I’m worried about the rumored random fliers, maybe big yardage gaps between clubs, etc. But now I’m thinking I may need to hit the HMBs just to make sure I wouldn’t rather have those.

 

Thanks for any feedback.

[grantc79]

> @BCA said:

> OP, I notice that your sig shows that you’re currently playing Hot Metal Pros. Have you been playing them most of the year? Sounds like you are planning to go back in the direction of MPs mainly for the feel and feedback but I was just curious if there is anything else about the HMPs that you aren’t enjoying.

>

> I’m love my current Mizunos (MP-54 and MP-5 combo) and am looking into going with Hot Metal Pros mainly because I haven’t been playing as much and am looking for a little extra forgiveness and distance. I’m willing to give up some feel to get it but I guess something about these high tech irons give me pause. Played with a friend a couple weeks ago who has P790s and he hit a few low trajectory fliers....he flew at least 3 greens that I can recall and each of them surprised him. I’m worried about the rumored random fliers, maybe big yardage gaps between clubs, etc. But now I’m thinking I may need to hit the HMBs just to make sure I wouldn’t rather have those.

>

> Thanks for any feedback.

 

I'm not playing those hot metal pros anymore. I currently have Callaway X Forged irons in my bag which I like. If I do wind up switching to anything else I would be the Hot Metal Blades. I liked my hot metal pros but the shaft didn't suit me and rather than spend money reshafting I just traded them in.

 

That said, I never got any random fliers with them and never had any issues with them. I don't put much stock into the people who say they get random fliers.

 

Most of these "players distance" irons launch really high with really high ball speeds. In my opinion in order to be paired properly you need a lower spinning shaft otherwise you are hitting high spinners. If you can hit high shots that drop steeply into the greens thats the ticket.

 

The demo was a 7 iron and I swing that about 94 mph. If I messed up and hit a high pull draw I could fly one considerably farther with no spin but that isn't the arrows that the indian.

[BCA]

^Thanks; I appreciate the info

[Jimjam651]

Great reviews thanks!

Was there much difference in the distance between the different irons? I wondered if taking a bit of loft off the HMB would bring the spin up a bit & help match it to distances from the blades

[golfinguru11]

> @Jimjam651 said:

> Great reviews thanks!

> Was there much difference in the distance between the different irons? I wondered if taking a bit of loft off the HMB would bring the spin up a bit & help match it to distances from the blades

 

The problem with that is you end up increasing offset on a club that already has a ton more offset than the blades

[grantc79]

> @Jimjam651 said:

> Great reviews thanks!

> Was there much difference in the distance between the different irons? I wondered if taking a bit of loft off the HMB would bring the spin up a bit & help match it to distances from the blades

 

HMB was clearly longer. MMC and MP 20 were similar on perfect shots overall average the MMC would be longer for me due to punishment on mishits.

[grantc79]

> @golfinguru11 said:

> > @Jimjam651 said:

> > Great reviews thanks!

> > Was there much difference in the distance between the different irons? I wondered if taking a bit of loft off the HMB would bring the spin up a bit & help match it to distances from the blades

>

> The problem with that is you end up increasing offset on a club that already has a ton more offset than the blades

 

Actually the HMB didn't have a lot of offset and bending them weaker REMOVES some offset not adds.

[xGameOver]

Love the 20mb. Way softer than the 919 tours and softer than srixon z forged. I might try to get them in 7-p and mmc in 5-6 then hmb in 4 iron bent a degree stronger so it’s close to a 3 iron.

 

 

[arobbins3]

Thanks for the great, in-depth review. I'm looking into them and this helps!

[keto]

> @grantc79 said:

> > @golfinguru11 said:

> > > @Jimjam651 said:

> > > Great reviews thanks!

> > > Was there much difference in the distance between the different irons? I wondered if taking a bit of loft off the HMB would bring the spin up a bit & help match it to distances from the blades

> >

> > The problem with that is you end up increasing offset on a club that already has a ton more offset than the blades

>

> Actually the HMB didn't have a lot of offset and bending them weaker REMOVES some offset not adds.

 

He said 'taking loft off', I took that to meant stronger not weaker (adding loft), in theory reducing offset.

[gvogel]

> @tets said:

> Shop owner told me today it stands for hot metal blade

> > I think HMB stands for Hollow Muscleback?

>

>

 

Hollow Muscle Back on the Mizuno website.

[Weston11]

I demoed the blade 7 iron all weekend and got to see the other two irons (MMC and HMB) today. I ended up ordering MMC: 4, 5, and 6; and blades: 7,8, and 9. I had the MMC's weakened two degrees to blend with the lofts of the MP 20 blades. The HMB's were just a little too big for my liking.

 

The look and the feel of the blades and MMCs (didn't hit the HMB) was unbelievable. I wasn't overly impressed by the MP18s, but this new line definitely seems like a winner for Mizuno.

[BCA]

> @gvogel said:

> > @tets said:

> > Shop owner told me today it stands for hot metal blade

> > > I think HMB stands for Hollow Muscleback?

> >

> >

>

> Hollow Muscle Back on the Mizuno website.

 

Weird. Vosh said Hot Metal Blade in the video. Maybe it's still up for debate, or either is perfectly acceptable!

[Rory4Pres]

Keep in mind some models have a 7 iron at 31* and some have it at the true 34*. So when you compare apples to apples, you really aren't unless you research the lofts of each.

Unless I can gain distance with the 4 iron, I really don't see the advantage of irons going further. Basically, if my 7 iron goes 20 yards further but my 4 iron goes 5 yards further, it's going to leave big gaps in distance from 100-160 and tiny gaps from 160-200.

Best thing you can do is find clubs you like that leave a 10-15 yd gap between each club.

[14mh]

> @keto said:

> > @grantc79 said:

> > > @golfinguru11 said:

> > > > @Jimjam651 said:

> > > > Great reviews thanks!

> > > > Was there much difference in the distance between the different irons? I wondered if taking a bit of loft off the HMB would bring the spin up a bit & help match it to distances from the blades

> > >

> > > The problem with that is you end up increasing offset on a club that already has a ton more offset than the blades

> >

> > Actually the HMB didn't have a lot of offset and bending them weaker REMOVES some offset not adds.

>

> He said 'taking loft off', I took that to meant stronger not weaker (adding loft), in theory reducing offset.

 

So you think he was saying he wants to increase spin and get them closer to the blade version on distance by making the lofts stronger in the HMB?

[Oldboy]

> @BCA said:

> > @gvogel said:

> > > @tets said:

> > > Shop owner told me today it stands for hot metal blade

> > > > I think HMB stands for Hollow Muscleback?

> > >

> > >

> >

> > Hollow Muscle Back on the Mizuno website.

>

> Weird. Vosh said Hot Metal Blade in the video. Maybe it's still up for debate, or either is perfectly acceptable!

 

Its hot metal blade. post the link because on the mizuno europe website they refer to it as hot metal blade. and voshall called it the same

[lefty1978]

I tried the MP-20 SEL last week with a few different shafts. Feel and sound was amazing. I hit off natural grass range, turf interaction was great. I hit it against my MP-32 7 iron, ball flight and feel was very similar, edge in distance to the 20 which was 1° stronger and shaft was 1/2" longer.

Unfortunately they did not have a HMB demo head in lefty. I was wanting to try the 3 or 4 in HMB.

[Big A HG]

This is a copy pasta from my reply to the MP-20 thread in the Tour/Pre-Release forum. I'd say OP here hit the nail on the head.

 

Just hit few dozen balls with demos of the MP-20 MMC and MP-20 HMB. I tell ya what, that HMB has a fantastic look for a more forgiving club. I spent more time with the MMC, so got that dialed in a bit better than the HMB, which I didn't see significant benefits from immediately. I definitely need a different shaft with the HMB than I would with the MMC, and I'm sure I could find a good option that warranted more significant distance gains than I saw. Feel-wise, the HMB was much better than any of the competing irons in the players distance category I've hit (Ping and TaylorMade). With the same shaft in both the MMC and HMB heads, I saw a significant height difference, but minimal yardage differences, with the HMB the higher of the two. Like I said, I'd look at a different shaft for the HMB since, for my needs, it was going too high.

 

I currently game MP-62s, and have since I purchased them new back when they first released in 2009. I replaced MP-60s with these 62s. Both of my previous Mizuno iron sets felt better than anything I've hit before then. But, the new MP-20 MMC felt unreal. Maybe it was partly the $-Taper shaft (currently game Project X in my 62s), but wow, they were butter. There was also a significant difference in feel, in my opinion, compared to the HMB, which felt great, but definitely not as soft. The MP-20s didn't show any gains in yardage (didn't expect any) over my 62s. The dispersion was very good (could be a shaft difference as well).

[keto]

> @14mh said:

> > @keto said:

> > > @grantc79 said:

> > > > @golfinguru11 said:

> > > > > @Jimjam651 said:

> > > > > Great reviews thanks!

> > > > > Was there much difference in the distance between the different irons? I wondered if taking a bit of loft off the HMB would bring the spin up a bit & help match it to distances from the blades

> > > >

> > > > The problem with that is you end up increasing offset on a club that already has a ton more offset than the blades

> > >

> > > Actually the HMB didn't have a lot of offset and bending them weaker REMOVES some offset not adds.

> >

> > He said 'taking loft off', I took that to meant stronger not weaker (adding loft), in theory reducing offset.

>

> So you think he was saying he wants to increase spin and get them closer to the blade version on distance by making the lofts stronger in the HMB?

 

When you say it like that, I follow the logic and agree I'm likely wrong up above.

[BostonWRX]

just say golf has these irons all listed and the info on them fyi

https://www.justsaygolf.com/mizuno-mp-20-mmc-irons-2020/

https://www.justsaygolf.com/mizuno-mp-20-hmb-irons-2020/

https://www.justsaygolf.com/mizuno-mp-20-irons-2020/

[theanthonyv]

I’ll be interested to see how the 20 blades compare in feel to the TN87s. I play the latter and can’t imagine any iron feeling as good or better. I’ve compared the TNs head to head with the 14s, 33s, 37s, 69s and 18s and the TN has blown them all away, by miles.