Tried all the new mp 20s today

[taoslcl]

> @Oldboy said:

> > @BCA said:

> > > @gvogel said:

> > > > @tets said:

> > > > Shop owner told me today it stands for hot metal blade

> > > > > I think HMB stands for Hollow Muscleback?

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > Hollow Muscle Back on the Mizuno website.

> >

> > Weird. Vosh said Hot Metal Blade in the video. Maybe it's still up for debate, or either is perfectly acceptable!

>

> Its hot metal blade. post the link because on the mizuno europe website they refer to it as hot metal blade. and voshall called it the same

 

Golf-monthly review called it "hybrid muscleback". Apparently the branding needs some clarification.

[mizuno player]

Had a fitting today. I went in thinking 919 tour. Very surprised with the MMC. Didn't order anything as I need to decide which way to go. Right now I am leaning 919. Will definitely be hitting both again before ordering.

 

The HMB I hit way too high. Which ever way I go my 4 iron will most likely be the P790 with the Hazardous shaft.

[Hammer22]

If only there was a way to figure out what HMB means...

https://www.mizunousa.com/category/golf+content/mp-20.do

Also easy to compare them to current lines:

https://golf.mizunoeurope.com/irons-comparison-table/

 

 

[dmeeksDC]

Great review. Eager to see these and how the MP20 HMB compares to the MP18 MMC Fli-Hi, which seems to be the most like it design-wise. And those Fli-Hi’s are the easiest-to-hit long irons in a compact head that I have tried.

[gatorgolfer86]

I think it stands for hot mother b**** can't wait to hit them!

[gatorgolfer86]

Wonder who they think an "elite" player is, or is the cavity elite? ?

[JDMRN81]

> @gatorgolfer86 said:

> I think it stands for hot mother b**** can't wait to hit them!

 

They’re not really that strong lofted so don’t expect huge numbers. Most reviews I see they’re getting similar numbers compared to the MMC’s which have similar lofts. I hit them and they’re very nice feeling/sounding for a non forged hollow iron.

 

[fjroney]

I hit the both the MP20 and MMC20 6 irons today - both look and feel great. I got ~10 more yards of carry out of the MMC, which makes sense given the 2 degrees of lower loft. I also tested the Titleist 620 MBs and CBs... man are those visually intimidating... way spinnier and carried shorter too. Had to end my fitting early but hoping to hit the HMB long irons next week in part II

[gatorgolfer86]

> @JDMRN81 said:

> > @gatorgolfer86 said:

> > I think it stands for hot mother b**** can't wait to hit them!

>

> They’re not really that strong lofted so don’t expect huge numbers. Most reviews I see they’re getting similar numbers compared to the MMC’s which have similar lofts. I hit them and they’re very nice feeling/sounding for a non forged hollow iron.

>

 

Right. I just meant the lofts match between the sets. The JPX and future mp lines didn't really line up across the lines.

[Jimjam651]

> @keto said:

> > @grantc79 said:

> > > @golfinguru11 said:

> > > > @Jimjam651 said:

> > > > Great reviews thanks!

> > > > Was there much difference in the distance between the different irons? I wondered if taking a bit of loft off the HMB would bring the spin up a bit & help match it to distances from the blades

> > >

> > > The problem with that is you end up increasing offset on a club that already has a ton more offset than the blades

> >

> > Actually the HMB didn't have a lot of offset and bending them weaker REMOVES some offset not adds.

>

> He said 'taking loft off', I took that to meant stronger not weaker (adding loft), in theory reducing offset.

 

Ah sorry, when I say taking loft off I mean making the loft weaker... my fault!

 

[fullbodyfix]

Thanks for the review. I do think the HMBs are going to be a hit.

[Z1ggy16]

I'm really pumped they have the SELs for us lefties but honestly I think I'd want to play the HMB all the way up to 6i, maybe even 7i. 100% I don't want to game a 5i blade.... If Mizuno went through the lengths to design and buy the supplies/processes for lefty HMB 3 and 4's, why not just finish the set? I strongly believe these will be better than the Apex 19 irons or the P790's because many reviews I've seen put these as the most consistent iron as far as distance dispersion goes.

[BLF0901]

Does the HMB look like Jewelry in person like the blade?

[CROUSE99]

> @BLF0901 said:

> Does the HMB look like Jewelry in person like the blade?

 

All 3 of them look wonderful to my eye, the HMB is just a little bigger. I am going to take HMB, MMC and 919 Forged demo 7 irons to the course this weekend to help me decide but hitting inside into a net I saw very little difference in performance from all 3. I am leaning heavily toward the HMB.

[BLF0901]

> @CROUSE99 said:

> > @BLF0901 said:

> > Does the HMB look like Jewelry in person like the blade?

>

> All 3 of them look wonderful to my eye, the HMB is just a little bigger. I am going to take HMB, MMC and 919 Forged demo 7 irons to the course this weekend to help me decide but hitting inside into a net I saw very little difference in performance from all 3. I am leaning heavily toward the HMB.

 

Looking at Mizuno's comparison table, the HMB is almost the exact same dimensions (blade length, offset, sole width) as the 919 Forged, but with a marginally slimmer topline. As someone who has gamed the 850 Forged for a while, that has me _very_ intrigued.

[Barfolomew]

OP can you update review after you can break 100 :D

[miles2go]

> I think HMB stands for Hollow Muscleback?

It's like ordering jumbo shrimp. Isn't a hollow muscle = cavity back?

No disrespect to any shellfish.

Can't wait to try them.

 

[Chuck905]

> @miles2go said:

> > I think HMB stands for Hollow Muscleback?

> It's like ordering jumbo shrimp. Isn't a hollow muscle = cavity back?

> No disrespect to any shellfish.

> Can't wait to try them.

>

 

Haha.

 

Hot Metal Blade

 

 

[Golf64]

yes!> @BLF0901 said:

> Does the HMB look like Jewelry in person like the blade?

 

 

[BLF0901]

> @Golf64 said:

> yes!> @BLF0901 said:

> > Does the HMB look like Jewelry in person like the blade?

>

>

 

*sigh*...I was hoping you guys would say they're ugly as sin in person...now I have to try them and buy them. Thanks a lot!

[dmeeksDC]

> @BLF0901 said:

> > @CROUSE99 said:

> > > @BLF0901 said:

> > > Does the HMB look like Jewelry in person like the blade?

> >

> > All 3 of them look wonderful to my eye, the HMB is just a little bigger. I am going to take HMB, MMC and 919 Forged demo 7 irons to the course this weekend to help me decide but hitting inside into a net I saw very little difference in performance from all 3. I am leaning heavily toward the HMB.

>

> Looking at Mizuno's comparison table, the HMB is almost the exact same dimensions (blade length, offset, sole width) as the 919 Forged, but with a marginally slimmer topline. As someone who has gamed the 850 Forged for a while, that has me _very_ intrigued.

 

The HMB looks a little larger than the 919 Forged in person. The dimensions are very similar but the cambered sole on the HMB makes it measure more narrow than it is. With its hollow two-multi-piece construction, it has a larger backside than the 919F. But not a tremendous difference. I think it would be easy to combo any of these irons.

[coryj558]

The naming has been less than clear, Google '"hybrid muscle back" mizuno hmb' and see what you get!

[arbeck]

> @Z1ggy16 said:

> I'm really pumped they have the SELs for us lefties but honestly I think I'd want to play the HMB all the way up to 6i, maybe even 7i. 100% I don't want to game a 5i blade.... If Mizuno went through the lengths to design and buy the supplies/processes for lefty HMB 3 and 4's, why not just finish the set? I strongly believe these will be better than the Apex 19 irons or the P790's because many reviews I've seen put these as the most consistent iron as far as distance dispersion goes.

 

There is a cost for tooling the forging setup for every club. Mizuno probably had a pretty good idea of how many extra 5i and 6i HMB's they'd sell if they gave the option there and it simply wasn't worth it financially. I'm sure there was internal debate about whether or not to go 5i or 4i as the highest lofted HMB in the set, but they probably have tons of data on how sets are ordered and that maximized the number of people.

[tgoodspe1991]

I'm definitely going to be in the minority camp here, but I was let down by the looks of the MP20 line in person. They aren't as small as I was hoping for and something about them looks sort of lumpy and odd to my eye. The soles on the MP20 are a lot larger than I expected them to be as well. I was floored by the looks and feel of the 620MB this year and I have never, ever been a fan of Titleist irons...

 

The MP20 though is what should have been the replacement for the MP5 line IMO and they are a great step back in the right direction from last model's MP18!

[palmer70]

I saw the entire line at a demo day in Chicago last week. Every club as they had full sets of each line. Have been in the market for a new set and was waiting for these to test before deciding. After demoing for a couple hours at the fitting day then the next day confirming number at an indoor fitting center, I went with HMB 4,5 iron, 6-9 MMC and T20 46 degree wedge. Of course everything is personal preference, however I had consistent yardages shot after shot without any jumpers on both the HMB and MMC. Also the best ball speeds with the seven iron compared to a lot of others I compared them too. I may down the line go with the MMC 5 iron but after seeing a lot of tour guys going with more forgiving five irons, why shouldn't I? We all have preferences but it was these or a set of Miuras. I love the fact I could see every iron and cant remember having a full set that each head fits my eye very well and this set does just that. The feel was solid as you'd expect from Mizuno and for me its important to have irons that quality is priority #1. If the top line on the HMB's could be a tad thinner, that would be my only complaint.

[aquapig]

Walk into my local shop today and fresh off the truck were boxes of the entire MP 20 line. He let me take the MP 20 MMC 7 iron and the 7 iron HMB to the range and man oh man...love.

Both look and felt fantastic.

I want to pull the trigger but want to go through a shaft fitting and decide if I should do a combo set or just go MMC all the way through.

I knew I shouldn't have walked into the golf shop today.

[FredWomble]

I hit all three 7s and ordered 5-6 HMB, 7-9 MMC and P MB. The HMB look great to me, the 7 arguably looks better in HMB than MMC (keep in mind, I'm a mid-handicap). I've now seen all 3 sets and feel comfortable with my decision. I will say that the MMC PW looks large in relation to the 9, as seems to be the case with Mizuno irons. Very happy that I selected the MB over MMC in PW. Now the question is, what about a T20 gap wedge, lol. :)

[FmaxTurboSi]

I ended up going with 3-6hmb and 7-pMB. I considered going full hmb, but the scoring irons were just a tad too large for my liking. I probably could've went with 6-pMB, but I'll take the extra confidence with the 6i for now. I can always shift the combo's either way down the road. Can't wait for them to arrive and get them out on the course.

[Pete Dye Rules]

Is anyone able to compare the mp20 Mmc vs the mp18 sc?