Eye opening video on the lead arm - pro vs am - AMG video

[Golfbeat]

I did not realize that the difference between pros and ams was this big. The lead arm discussion starts in the video at around 8:35

 

[glk]

Yeah they first talked about this back in spring on their Instagram. I started making changes then - minor and mostly how the trail arm works. Money. Still see lots of folks here in videos that get their lead arm too far across their chests - leading issue is the early forearm roll.

[Golfbeat]

It is interesting that we actually are doing much too much work it seems and creating inferior results with all that work.

[MonteScheinblum]

Low and slow is a killer. I needed them to make this video 10 years ago, could have saved me a lot of arguments. ?

[BigBad]

Am I correct that I'm taking from this that the arms essentially only lift and depth is really just a reflection of the upper body turn?

 

 

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Rickie Fowler. Poster boy for getting that left arm across, say it ain’t so , joe.

[Golfbeat]

Is that the end of the back swing?

 

[MK7Golf21]

good videos, still need to make sure you have enough shoulder turn on backswing though. Left arm is going to get more across the chest with little shoulder turn

[glk]

> @Golfbeat said:

> Is that the end of the back swing?

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left arm parallel. Don’t like when you post Instagram on here cause it cuts of a lot off a lot of stuff like the comments. They’ve been posting instagrams on this since March. On thing I noted in making the change is now my left arm is really not on my chest much if at all so in transition I can feel myself turning my chest into my arm. Also left arm parallel swings are really easy since the arm just work more down and very little out - simplified.

 

 

[glk]

> @BigBad said:

> Am I correct that I'm taking from this that the arms essentially only lift and depth is really just a reflection of the upper body turn?

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Yep. Depth from pivot not dragging arm across though it will come across a bit. AMG shows how much at left arm parallel for a number of pros Here is one of 5 of top 10 pros.

[Golfbeat]

> @glk said:

> > @Golfbeat said:

> > Is that the end of the back swing?

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> left arm parallel. Don’t like when you post Instagram on here cause it cuts of a lot off a lot of stuff like the comments. They’ve been posting instagrams on this since March. On thing I noted in making the change is now my left arm is really not on my chest much if at all so in transition I can feel myself turning my chest into my arm. Also left arm parallel swings are really easy since the arm just work more down and very little out - simplified.

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That’s what I thought. Saw a video on the back swing at Course Kings by Jeff Smith and he said when the left arm is parallel to the ground the arms stop doing anything anymore: just turning the shoulders further to complete the back swing.

 

 

[GeneralTsoTso]

They say at ~8:20 that lead arm adduction at address for pros is 90 degrees and amateurs is 93 degrees. That sounds strange to me. How is that the case unless you set up with tons of forward shaft lean?

[SirFuego]

> @GeneralTsoTso said:

> They say at ~8:20 that lead arm adduction at address for pros is 90 degrees and amateurs is 93 degrees. That sounds strange to me. How is that the case unless you set up with tons of forward shaft lean?

 

I found that odd, too. However, if you look at the Instagram video in Post #6, it looks like that 90 degree angle is actually measured to a sensor in the back of the shoulder or scapula. If you were to draw a line down the the shoulder line in that video, it would be a lot less than 90 degrees. The graphics on the first video probably should be clarified if that is the case.

[Soloman1]

He's using the term lead arm adduction improperly. Adduction is the movement towards the body and it's measured from the ribcage to the upper arm, not from a line perpendicular to the ribcage.

 

Adduction occurs early in the downswing (moving the arm closer to the ribcage), then the arm abduction (movement away from the body) occurs. But not always. Some pros have no adduction in the downswing.

[glk]

AMG guys mentioned in an Instagram that angle is to spine and in the video in post #6 they say trunk and they talk about they are rotating the view to stay constant with the turn. In their youtube they show the angle is measured to the spine. Doesn’t require shaft lean at setup in my experience but if you play the ball back then it is going to decrease - it is the upper arm position not the forearm, I believe. More important is the angle at arm parallel and how maintaining width is key to not getting the lead arm sucked too much across the chest. And the angle does decrease a bit in transition before rapidly expanding the rest of downswing.

[MK7Golf21]

Point is am's turn their shoulders less and swing their arms more across body, should be opposite.

[Golfbeat]

> @Redjeep83 said:

> Point is am's turn their shoulders less and swing their arms more across body, should be opposite.

 

Not sure whether am turn their shoulders less. I think they turn their shoulders differently. Pros turn them also steeper usually.

 

 

 

 

[Ghost of Snead]

> @Golfbeat said:

> > @Redjeep83 said:

> > Point is am's turn their shoulders less and swing their arms more across body, should be opposite.

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> Not sure whether am turn their shoulders less. I think they turn their shoulders differently. Pros turn them also steeper usually.

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Most ams do turn their shoulders less - flexibility issues, poor mechanics, etc.

Google 'golf fake turn".

 

[GungHoGolf]

Great video, but it contradicts one of their earlier videos:

 

[ebrasmus21]

Yup...

 

 

[TheCityGame]

> @GungHoGolf said:

> Great video, but it contradicts one of their earlier videos:

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No it doesn't.

 

In your video, he says that pros move their arm in front of their chest. . .that it's a myth that the arms "stay in front of" the chest.

 

In the other video, he's saying Am's move their arm across their chest MORE than pros do. He never claims in that video that a pro doesn't move his lead arm across his chest (as a matter of fact, he points out just how much a pro does do it). He just says that am's do it more than pros.

 

As a matter of fact, if you put the two ideas together, you can see where the myth arises. . ."keep your arms in front of your chest" is an exaggerated saying (like saying "turn in a barrel") that is meant to cure an amateur of a problem like moving the arms too much.

 

 

 

[LyinEye]

Just what amateurs need, another video showing the effects, not their motivating causes. Good luck with that chase down the rabbit hole.

 

The arms swing in the sagittal plane, not the coronal plane.

[Golfbeat]

> @"Ping's Duck" said:

> Just what amateurs need, another video showing the effects, not their motivating causes. Good luck with that chase down the rabbit hole.

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> The arms swing in the sagittal plane, not the coronal plane.

 

Not sure what this means. Could you perhaps explain what motivating causes the amateur should have?

 

 

[dlygrisse]

> @"Ping's Duck" said:

> Just what amateurs need, another video showing the effects, not their motivating causes. Good luck with that chase down the rabbit hole.

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> The arms swing in the sagittal plane, not the coronal plane.

 

I thought that is what they were saying.

[TMoakley1547]

I liked this video. As someone who pins my lead arm too much, gets narrow, and has too much arm overrun, seeing what my arm triangle should look like in the backswing is helpful. To me, it seems like its all about keeping the trail arm straight as long as possible, and not allowing it to collapse as I approach the end of my backswing. From there, its just regain flexion, trail elbow forward, get to my lead heel and rip it.

[PostandGhost]

I've practiced with a plastic range bucket in between my arms, across my chest. It really gave me a good feel for not getting too far across my chest and moving that lead arm into abduction. Does anyone else have any good drills for getting the left arm away from the body before impact on the downswing?

[80sFredriksson]

Seems like they are confirming the arm swing illusion

[bogeypro]

The biggest problem is simply conditioning. Most ams can’t make the kind of torso turn needed to keep the arm out and still reach the backswing position they want.

[dap]

Depends on the pro AMG is using. Kuchar is going to be awfully different to Jason Day with how much the lead arm is pinned.