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Any reviews on this driver, looking at changing from a TS3 to a TS4 pretty solid ball striker so just a preferred look and lower spin ?? anyone made the jump or put the TS4 through it paces

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I think it’s fairly niche due to the smaller head size and lower spin. I’ve hit one and like it, but didn’t track the numbers.   Im hoping to do a low spin review in a few weeks if I have the time.

Zero doubt that the TS4 is the longest driver I’ve ever had. I like the 430cc head. To be fair, loved the TS3. I did not find it to be particularly more forgiving than the TS4, though. My good passes

> @agolf1 said: > > @Nard_S said: > > > @agolf1 said: > > > > @Nard_S said: > > > > > @cmb71 said: > > > > > Yes, the face angle closes

I think it’s fairly niche due to the smaller head size and lower spin. I’ve hit one and like it, but didn’t track the numbers.

 

Im hoping to do a low spin review in a few weeks if I have the time.

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I hit it on trackman the other day, it seemed more fade biased than ts3 to me. Ts3 and ts4 were spinning the same for me, but ts3 i was hitting straight and ts4 were fades so I suspect ts4 would spin less if i was squaring it. Because of the fade/ toe bias the face felt hard to square and heavy and therefore swung it about 3 mph slower with the same shaft for some reason. The head does what it is designed to do though

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I'm not particularly high spin. My F9 sits around 2200-2300rpm. TS3 was 1900-2100 and TS4 was was down around 1500-1600. It looks fantastic but IMO it fits a very small portion of skilled golfers. TS3 is plenty low spin for most and a fair bit more forgiving.

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I've been gaming it since it came out in July. I have always played the tour sized drivers heads, Titleist 910D3, 915D3,917D3, M1-440, M3-440, have always prefered the smaller CC heads. Yup, I have tried the 460's but seems like your just swinging at the ball & know it will be Ok.. With the 8.5degree TS4, right off the bat, 1st swing and hearing that sound, I know i made the right decision on my purchase. Always nice to see the ball do what you want it to do when struck properly and more importantly, it allows for more focus and attention on the strike. If your a Titileist player, your gonna love it.

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Great sound, looks beautiful, and longest I've hit..... But got me into far too much trouble on bad days. Hit 1 fairway in my last round with it. Moved to Epic Flash and am finding much more consistency. 14/14 fairways last weekend. If you're a very low spin player TS4 may be perfect for you. To make it work I think I needed to move out of the low/low shaft profile I've always used. Biggest problem for me with it was I couldnt hit a draw due to lack of spin. I prefer to play a draw, but couldn't keep them in the air with TS4.

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The ts4 is one of the better looking new drivers this cycle! Feels really solid and hot off the face. I love smaller size drivers and you really have to in order to appreciate it. If it wasn’t so expensive it would be in the bag.

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> Great sound, looks beautiful, and longest I've hit..... But got me into far too much trouble on bad days. Hit 1 fairway in my last round with it. Moved to Epic Flash and am finding much more consistency. 14/14 fairways last weekend. If you're a very low spin player TS4 may be perfect for you. To make it work I think I needed to move out of the low/low shaft profile I've always used. Biggest problem for me with it was I couldnt hit a draw due to lack of spin. I prefer to play a draw, but couldn't keep them in the air with TS4

 

Golf equipment is certainly unique in that what we use needs to fit us. I, respectfully, think that you need to be a high spin generating player to benefit from the TS4. If the TS3 is already knocking enough spin off for you, then you are in good shape and wouldn’t benefit from the TS4. I really enjoy the TS4 aesthetically, by site and sound, and play it as well as any driver I’ve had. May be the driver shaft combo, may be the driver head, may be my swing today....but I was hitting fairways today and hitting draws. Just an observation not that either of us is wrong, but that the equipment needs to work with the player, and the player needs to work with the equipment for it to be a good fit.

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> > @golflefty said:

> > Great sound, looks beautiful, and longest I've hit..... But got me into far too much trouble on bad days. Hit 1 fairway in my last round with it. Moved to Epic Flash and am finding much more consistency. 14/14 fairways last weekend. If you're a very low spin player TS4 may be perfect for you. To make it work I think I needed to move out of the low/low shaft profile I've always used. Biggest problem for me with it was I couldnt hit a draw due to lack of spin. I prefer to play a draw, but couldn't keep them in the air with TS4

>

> Golf equipment is certainly unique in that what we use needs to fit us. I, respectfully, think that you need to be a high spin generating player to benefit from the TS4. If the TS3 is already knocking enough spin off for you, then you are in good shape and wouldn’t benefit from the TS4. I really enjoy the TS4 aesthetically, by site and sound, and play it as well as any driver I’ve had. May be the driver shaft combo, may be the driver head, may be my swing today....but I was hitting fairways today and hitting draws. Just an observation not that either of us is wrong, but that the equipment needs to work with the player, and the player needs to work with the equipment for it to be a good fit.

 

Agreed, think it's a great great driver for high spin players. Unfortunately I'm just not well enough into that category.

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Did anyone loft up from the TS3, Im playing a 8.5 TS3 but iv changed my swing and need more loft now. so if I needed say 9.5 would you go 10.5 in TS4

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I play the TS3 in 8.5 and was hitting the TS4 9.5 with a similar launch. Spin was definitely a little lower with TS4. I prefer the smaller head (and I like to play a shorter shaft). However, while my numbers were good with the TS4, the sweet spot seemed much smaller and I got quite a lot of feedback even on shots I hit close to bullseye. So the feel and consistency (forgiveness, really) was lower on TS4 and so, at least for now, I'm sticking with my TS3. I would love to experiment with a TS4 with a 44.50" shaft. Winter project. : )

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Yes, the face angle closes when lofting up on these... it opens when lowering loft.

Edit: I don't find that it is unappealing though (if you are averse to a closed or open face...). It's mostly negligible. I prefer the C1 setting myself because of the flatter lie angle, but to my eye it looks almost equal to the Standard A1 setting. See the Titleist True Fit charts, but beware they change for RH or LH.

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I game TS3 and will keep gaming TS3 but I did give the TS4 a go. I just couldn’t spin it enough but then, lower spin is exactly what it is lined up to do. On my best swings, I was hitting absolute bombs but bad swings and the ball was just falling out of the sky. Definitely a niche product but then for the guys that need it, this will be a superb driver.

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> Yes, the face angle closes when lofting up on these... it opens when lowering loft.

> Edit: I don't find that it is unappealing though (if you are averse to a closed or open face...). It's mostly negligible. I prefer the C1 setting myself because of the flatter lie angle, but to my eye it looks almost equal to the Standard A1 setting. See the Titleist True Fit charts, but beware they change for RH or LH.

 

Thanks, pretty much what I suspected. I'm considering the T4 in 10.5 so if I desire to go lower it will open up. I have a Mizuno in 9.5 and would not mind it with more loft but the closing of face is irksome to me and don't want to repeat that mistake. I'll check out True Fit.

 

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> > @cmb71 said:

> > Yes, the face angle closes when lofting up on these... it opens when lowering loft.

> > Edit: I don't find that it is unappealing though (if you are averse to a closed or open face...). It's mostly negligible. I prefer the C1 setting myself because of the flatter lie angle, but to my eye it looks almost equal to the Standard A1 setting. See the Titleist True Fit charts, but beware they change for RH or LH.

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> Thanks, pretty much what I suspected. I'm considering the T4 in 10.5 so if I desire to go lower it will open up. I have a Mizuno in 9.5 and would not mind it with more loft but the closing of face is irksome to me and don't want to repeat that mistake. I'll check out True Fit.

>

It's loft or face angle, not both no?

 

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> > @Nard_S said:

> > > @cmb71 said:

> > > Yes, the face angle closes when lofting up on these... it opens when lowering loft.

> > > Edit: I don't find that it is unappealing though (if you are averse to a closed or open face...). It's mostly negligible. I prefer the C1 setting myself because of the flatter lie angle, but to my eye it looks almost equal to the Standard A1 setting. See the Titleist True Fit charts, but beware they change for RH or LH.

> >

> > Thanks, pretty much what I suspected. I'm considering the T4 in 10.5 so if I desire to go lower it will open up. I have a Mizuno in 9.5 and would not mind it with more loft but the closing of face is irksome to me and don't want to repeat that mistake. I'll check out True Fit.

> >

> It's loft or face angle, not both no?

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> https://forums.golfwrx.com/discussion/1081535/how-adjustable-drivers-actually-work-everyone-should-be-required-to-watch-this-to-be-allowed-to-pos#latest

 

Dunno, but when I tweak loft, face angle or how she sits changes too. From what I've heard that's SOP on adjustable but not entirely all.

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> > @agolf1 said:

> > > @Nard_S said:

> > > > @cmb71 said:

> > > > Yes, the face angle closes when lofting up on these... it opens when lowering loft.

> > > > Edit: I don't find that it is unappealing though (if you are averse to a closed or open face...). It's mostly negligible. I prefer the C1 setting myself because of the flatter lie angle, but to my eye it looks almost equal to the Standard A1 setting. See the Titleist True Fit charts, but beware they change for RH or LH.

> > >

> > > Thanks, pretty much what I suspected. I'm considering the T4 in 10.5 so if I desire to go lower it will open up. I have a Mizuno in 9.5 and would not mind it with more loft but the closing of face is irksome to me and don't want to repeat that mistake. I'll check out True Fit.

> > >

> > It's loft or face angle, not both no?

> >

> > https://forums.golfwrx.com/discussion/1081535/how-adjustable-drivers-actually-work-everyone-should-be-required-to-watch-this-to-be-allowed-to-pos#latest

>

> Dunno, but when I tweak loft, face angle or how she sits changes too. From what I've heard that's SOP on adjustable but not entirely all.

The point of his post is if you have a 10.5 head and loft it down, you either have a 9.75 loft and square face or a 10.5 loft and an open face. You don't have a 9.75 loft and an open face.

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> @agolf1 said:

> > @Nard_S said:

> > > @agolf1 said:

> > > > @Nard_S said:

> > > > > @cmb71 said:

> > > > > Yes, the face angle closes when lofting up on these... it opens when lowering loft.

> > > > > Edit: I don't find that it is unappealing though (if you are averse to a closed or open face...). It's mostly negligible. I prefer the C1 setting myself because of the flatter lie angle, but to my eye it looks almost equal to the Standard A1 setting. See the Titleist True Fit charts, but beware they change for RH or LH.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks, pretty much what I suspected. I'm considering the T4 in 10.5 so if I desire to go lower it will open up. I have a Mizuno in 9.5 and would not mind it with more loft but the closing of face is irksome to me and don't want to repeat that mistake. I'll check out True Fit.

> > > >

> > > It's loft or face angle, not both no?

> > >

> > > https://forums.golfwrx.com/discussion/1081535/how-adjustable-drivers-actually-work-everyone-should-be-required-to-watch-this-to-be-allowed-to-pos#latest

> >

> > Dunno, but when I tweak loft, face angle or how she sits changes too. From what I've heard that's SOP on adjustable but not entirely all.

> The point of his post is if you have a 10.5 head and loft it down, you either have a 9.75 loft and square face or a 10.5 loft and an open face. You don't have a 9.75 loft and an open face.

 

True but it changes how it soles, how it "looks" at that point. I don't like drivers that I'm re-tweaking in my grip, I like to grip them as they sole on the ground and that "look" is better when it's open faced.I like anti-left drivers. So when a an OEM offers 8.5, 9.5, 10.5 options I would think that taking a 10.5 version and tweeking down would give me a more open faced "look" than an 8.5* tweaked up.My limited experience with 2 adjustable drivers suggests that would be the case.

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> @Nard_S said:

> > @agolf1 said:

> > > @Nard_S said:

> > > > @agolf1 said:

> > > > > @Nard_S said:

> > > > > > @cmb71 said:

> > > > > > Yes, the face angle closes when lofting up on these... it opens when lowering loft.

> > > > > > Edit: I don't find that it is unappealing though (if you are averse to a closed or open face...). It's mostly negligible. I prefer the C1 setting myself because of the flatter lie angle, but to my eye it looks almost equal to the Standard A1 setting. See the Titleist True Fit charts, but beware they change for RH or LH.

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks, pretty much what I suspected. I'm considering the T4 in 10.5 so if I desire to go lower it will open up. I have a Mizuno in 9.5 and would not mind it with more loft but the closing of face is irksome to me and don't want to repeat that mistake. I'll check out True Fit.

> > > > >

> > > > It's loft or face angle, not both no?

> > > >

> > > > https://forums.golfwrx.com/discussion/1081535/how-adjustable-drivers-actually-work-everyone-should-be-required-to-watch-this-to-be-allowed-to-pos#latest

> > >

> > > Dunno, but when I tweak loft, face angle or how she sits changes too. From what I've heard that's SOP on adjustable but not entirely all.

> > The point of his post is if you have a 10.5 head and loft it down, you either have a 9.75 loft and square face or a 10.5 loft and an open face. You don't have a 9.75 loft and an open face.

>

> True but it changes how it soles, how it "looks" at that point. I don't like drivers that I'm re-tweaking in my grip, I like to grip them as they sole on the ground and that "look" is better when it's open faced.I like anti-left drivers. So when a an OEM offers 8.5, 9.5, 10.5 options I would think that taking a 10.5 version and tweeking down would give me a more open faced "look" than an 8.5* tweaked up.My limited experience with 2 adjustable drivers suggests that would be the case.

Got it. Seems like you are more lofting it down on the hosel for face adjustment, not actually lower loft. I've always been able to play the Titleist drivers in standard or lower loft setting and try to square the face / not sole the club. But they do look different.

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I think many of these super low-spin drivers (TS4, M5 440, etc.) are really for people that have a negative angle of attack and put more spin on the ball than they should due to that. The TS3 is pretty low spin and with the right loft and shaft, it should be plenty suitable for very high swing speeds assuming you have a good, positive angle of attack that you should with a driver.

 

For reference I gamed an 8.5* TS3 w/ Evenflow T1100 White 65 6.5 for quite a while. When I demo'd the TS4, the only head they had was a 9.5*, but I was able to use my shaft and I was getting the same spin with the 9.5* TS4 as I did with my 8.5* TS3 (right around 1700~1800) both in the C1 setting (standard loft, just a bit flatter lie angle). Launch angle was higher than I wanted with the TS4 with the added loft, but that made it pretty clear that no doubt the TS4 is lower spin. The TS4 was also noticeably less forgiving.

 

For me, since I was getting pretty ideal numbers with the TS3 already, there was no advantage with the TS4. I'd have to go down to the 8.5* head to get the right launch and then my spin numbers would be too low. And again, added bonus that the TS3 is 460cc and more forgiving. That said, playing the M5 now with the same shaft, loft set to 8.25* and it's just as long as my TS3 with better feel (to me), same forgiveness, and I hit it quite a bit straighter. I struggled with a bit of a hook with the TS3 where the M5 sits more open and I just hit it straighter.

 

TS3/TS4 and M5 are excellent drivers. Just a matter of preference and what suits your swing type.

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> I think many of these super low-spin drivers (TS4, M5 440, etc.) are really for people that have a negative angle of attack and put more spin on the ball than they should due to that. The TS3 is pretty low spin and with the right loft and shaft, it should be plenty suitable for very high swing speeds assuming you have a good, positive angle of attack that you should with a driver.

I generally agree with the concept of playing the bigger head and tweaking things through loft/shaft while retaining the forgiveness. That being said, I've never had as much luck that way (although I haven't tried every combo on the planet either). For years, I had a 983E that I would play a couple of times a season. I always liked the ball flight, and thought the well-struck shots were just as long as anything else. But it wasn't a good decision to play it all the time vs. the bigger heads. I finally found a 915 D4 that produced a similar ball flight, and have been hitting it for a while now. I will say that I tend to get my best results when keeping my AOA around flat, plus or minus a small amount (not saying this is the best way to do things, just that I hit the ball better this way vs. trying to hit up on it considerably). I also like looking down at more loft at address (I don't really care about the head shape/size itself), and have found I can play a little higher loft with this head vs. a D2 or D3.

 

Unfortunately I've only hit a TS2, and not a TS3, which many people say and the design specs seem to suggest, is an advancement. I'd like to hit a TS4 (I think they just arrived where I am), although I have a feeling that the TS3 may work pretty well for me. I also think any of today's heads, even the 430-440 ones, are not overly difficult to hit, although I get the point that even more MOI is better if you can keep everything else about how the ball flies the same.

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> I think many of these super low-spin drivers (TS4, M5 440, etc.) are really for people that have a negative angle of attack and put more spin on the ball than they should due to that. The TS3 is pretty low spin and with the right loft and shaft, it should be plenty suitable for very high swing speeds assuming you have a good, positive angle of attack that you should with a driver.

>

> For reference I gamed an 8.5* TS3 w/ Evenflow T1100 White 65 6.5 for quite a while. When I demo'd the TS4, the only head they had was a 9.5*, but I was able to use my shaft and I was getting the same spin with the 9.5* TS4 as I did with my 8.5* TS3 (right around 1700~1800) both in the C1 setting (standard loft, just a bit flatter lie angle). Launch angle was higher than I wanted with the TS4 with the added loft, but that made it pretty clear that no doubt the TS4 is lower spin. The TS4 was also noticeably less forgiving.

>

> For me, since I was getting pretty ideal numbers with the TS3 already, there was no advantage with the TS4. I'd have to go down to the 8.5* head to get the right launch and then my spin numbers would be too low. And again, added bonus that the TS3 is 460cc and more forgiving. That said, playing the M5 now with the same shaft, loft set to 8.25* and it's just as long as my TS3 with better feel (to me), same forgiveness, and I hit it quite a bit straighter. I struggled with a bit of a hook with the TS3 where the M5 sits more open and I just hit it straighter.

>

> TS3/TS4 and M5 are excellent drivers. Just a matter of preference and what suits your swing type.

 

I agree for the most part, but for some it’s also about eliminating one side of the course. I have a buddy who is a moderate swing speed guy and isn’t a high spin player and is playing g410 lst 9* and has taken the left side of the course out of play now

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> @agolf1 said:

> > @Nard_S said:

> > > @agolf1 said:

> > > > @Nard_S said:

> > > > > @agolf1 said:

> > > > > > @Nard_S said:

> > > > > > > @cmb71 said:

> > > > > > > Yes, the face angle closes when lofting up on these... it opens when lowering loft.

> > > > > > > Edit: I don't find that it is unappealing though (if you are averse to a closed or open face...). It's mostly negligible. I prefer the C1 setting myself because of the flatter lie angle, but to my eye it looks almost equal to the Standard A1 setting. See the Titleist True Fit charts, but beware they change for RH or LH.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks, pretty much what I suspected. I'm considering the T4 in 10.5 so if I desire to go lower it will open up. I have a Mizuno in 9.5 and would not mind it with more loft but the closing of face is irksome to me and don't want to repeat that mistake. I'll check out True Fit.

> > > > > >

> > > > > It's loft or face angle, not both no?

> > > > >

> > > > > https://forums.golfwrx.com/discussion/1081535/how-adjustable-drivers-actually-work-everyone-should-be-required-to-watch-this-to-be-allowed-to-pos#latest

> > > >

> > > > Dunno, but when I tweak loft, face angle or how she sits changes too. From what I've heard that's SOP on adjustable but not entirely all.

> > > The point of his post is if you have a 10.5 head and loft it down, you either have a 9.75 loft and square face or a 10.5 loft and an open face. You don't have a 9.75 loft and an open face.

> >

> > True but it changes how it soles, how it "looks" at that point. I don't like drivers that I'm re-tweaking in my grip, I like to grip them as they sole on the ground and that "look" is better when it's open faced.I like anti-left drivers. So when a an OEM offers 8.5, 9.5, 10.5 options I would think that taking a 10.5 version and tweeking down would give me a more open faced "look" than an 8.5* tweaked up.My limited experience with 2 adjustable drivers suggests that would be the case.

> Got it. Seems like you are more lofting it down on the hosel for face adjustment, not actually lower loft. I've always been able to play the Titleist drivers in standard or lower loft setting and try to square the face / not sole the club. But they do look different.

 

I love the Driver I use now but on a do over would have got the 10.5* largely based on just how the thing sits. The T4 is similar in looks and specs, got great shaft choices so I may take a chance on one.

 

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Switched from my TS3 to the TS4 about a month and a half ago and loving it. I'm old enough to remember when a driver was the size of a modern 5W, so I actually appreciate the (slightly) smaller size. It's undoubtedly longer than my TS3 - as I'm now keeping up with and often longer than my buddy I was previously well behind off the tee (who's also 10 years younger than me - BOOYAH - sup, #TeamOldGuy). Though I did go from a Tensei Blue S to HZRDUS XS for it.

 

Regardless, I dig it. A lot.

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Titleist TS2 18°

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