Callaway Super Hybrid

[Valtiel]

One would think that with how much stink has been raised over the years about "real deal" shafts that they would be air tight with the messaging on this, ESPECIALLY at that price point. There should not be even an inkling of doubt as to what you're getting, and instead the product page has all the clarity of a Dustin Johnson press conference.

[StarFleetGolfer]

I hit this today. Very meh for me. Not any longer than other hybrids , it's like a 5w on a shorter shaft.

[SMUGamer]

> @StarFleetGolfer said:

> I hit this today. Very meh for me. Not any longer than other hybrids , it's like a 5w on a shorter shaft.

Which is why Ill go with the TS3 and trade it out with my driving iron depending on the track.

[summerof]

What I don't understand is if the shaft is real deal, and I don't have an opinion either way, how can a graphite design ad to or ad iz be justified as a $200 upcharge when you can buy either the tensei or GD as a stand alone for $200.

[braincramp52]

I love the looks but $320 for a hybrid is over the top. I'm far from a cheap a$$ but there ain't no way I'd buy one of these. I suppose OTR drivers will be going for $699 in 2020.

[Davidv]

> @lawsonman said:

> I love the looks but $320 for a hybrid is over the top. I'm far from a cheap a$$ but there ain't no way I'd buy one of these. I suppose OTR drivers will be going for $699 in 2020.

 

Have to agree they are really getting a bit greedy with their pricing strategy.

[fsusmith]

Over $300 for a hybrid s crazy

[mxtitleistgolfer]

> @Davidv said:

> > @lawsonman said:

> > I love the looks but $320 for a hybrid is over the top. I'm far from a cheap a$$ but there ain't no way I'd buy one of these. I suppose OTR drivers will be going for $699 in 2020.

>

> Have to agree they are really getting a bit greedy with their pricing strategy.

 

With all this talk of the price being too high, in all seriousness I want to ask what would make it worth that price?

 

Do most of the people that feel that way not think the technology in the head is worth a premium price? Is having a premium shaft and grip like the CK Pro Orange and New Decade Align not worth the price? It just seems like every component of this club is premium but no one thinks it’s worth a premium price. So again, what would it take for the club the be worth that?

 

[Mike_C]

I loved the current Epic flash hybrid when I demoed it, but balked at the $299 price. If they come down in price to more like $199 when the Super Hybrid launches, I probably will get the Flash....

[braincramp52]

> @mxtitleistgolfer said:

> > @Davidv said:

> > > @lawsonman said:

> > > I love the looks but $320 for a hybrid is over the top. I'm far from a cheap a$$ but there ain't no way I'd buy one of these. I suppose OTR drivers will be going for $699 in 2020.

> >

> > Have to agree they are really getting a bit greedy with their pricing strategy.

>

> With all this talk of the price being too high, in all seriousness I want to ask what would make it worth that price?

>

> Do most of the people that feel that way not think the technology in the head is worth a premium price? Is having a premium shaft and grip like the CK Pro Orange and New Decade Align not worth the price? It just seems like every component of this club is premium but no one thinks it’s worth a premium price. So again, what would it take for the club the be worth that?

>

 

For 99% of the players out there there is nothing they could do to make it worth that price. It's all smoke and mirrors and BS marketing.

[mxtitleistgolfer]

> @lawsonman said:

> > @mxtitleistgolfer said:

> > > @Davidv said:

> > > > @lawsonman said:

> > > > I love the looks but $320 for a hybrid is over the top. I'm far from a cheap a$$ but there ain't no way I'd buy one of these. I suppose OTR drivers will be going for $699 in 2020.

> > >

> > > Have to agree they are really getting a bit greedy with their pricing strategy.

> >

> > With all this talk of the price being too high, in all seriousness I want to ask what would make it worth that price?

> >

> > Do most of the people that feel that way not think the technology in the head is worth a premium price? Is having a premium shaft and grip like the CK Pro Orange and New Decade Align not worth the price? It just seems like every component of this club is premium but no one thinks it’s worth a premium price. So again, what would it take for the club the be worth that?

> >

>

> For 99% of the players out there there is nothing they could do to make it worth that price. It's all smoke and mirrors and BS marketing.

 

I appreciate the candid answer. So if we forget about the number on the price tag and just talk in general terms, would you say it’s fair for a club like this to be more expensive than a club that is made with cheaper materials, a made-for shaft, and generic grip?

[BunkerSnot]

Already using hybrids instead of fairways woods. This could be interesting in the lower loft - better off the tee and anti left.

[braincramp52]

No, I wouldn't. There are no precious metals in the club. Titanium is the expensive part because titanium is a rare metal. Tungsten is not expensive. My understanding from previous posts is the shaft is not a premium shaft. Hey, if these things fly off the shelves more power to them. I'm just not contributing.

[MizunoMac72]

> @Breaking_Baddeley said:

> Does anyone know how much loft adjustability there will be in each direction?

 

 

Although the Super Hybrid has a more neutral weighting, the OptiFit 3 hosel offers numerous settings, making it possible to not only increase the loft by 2 degrees or lower it by 1 degree but also adjust the lie angle to a more upright position for a draw shot shape.

[mrmikeac]

Exotics does it better.

[scooterhd2]

Hit it today as well. Meh as well. Like the epic and apex better as far as hybrids go.

[snagy2000]

I hit the 20 degree today and have to say its stupid easy to hit...As far as being "super", hardly...Shaft is watered down and this club is just a updated version of the Big Bertha hybrid...You're not going to see massive, if any significant distance gains with this club...I hit them side by side and didn't see anything really making me want to pull the trigger...

[skraly]

> @lawsonman said:

> No, I wouldn't. There are no precious metals in the club. Titanium is the expensive part because titanium is a rare metal. Tungsten is not expensive. My understanding from previous posts is the shaft is not a premium shaft. Hey, if these things fly off the shelves more power to them. I'm just not contributing.

 

Actually, titanium is one of the most common metals, not at all rare.

 

[mxtitleistgolfer]

> @snagy2000 said:

> I hit the 20 degree today and have to say its stupid easy to hit...As far as being "super", hardly...Shaft is watered down and this club is just a updated version of the Big Bertha hybrid...You're not going to see massive, if any significant distance gains with this club...I hit them side by side and didn't see anything really making me want to pull the trigger...

 

I have a feeling that where this club is going to shine is as a fairway finder off the tee.

[braincramp52]

> @skraly said:

> > @lawsonman said:

> > No, I wouldn't. There are no precious metals in the club. Titanium is the expensive part because titanium is a rare metal. Tungsten is not expensive. My understanding from previous posts is the shaft is not a premium shaft. Hey, if these things fly off the shelves more power to them. I'm just not contributing.

>

> Actually, titanium is one of the most common metals, not at all rare.

>

 

You're right in a way.It's not a rare exotic metal but in comparison to regular steels and aluminums it is the expensive metal because much of it is wasted by the extraction process. I shouldn't have said it was rare without saying compared to other steels.

[JohnKHawk]

> @mrmikeac said:

> Exotics does it better.

 

Callaway does it for left handed folks.

[double or triple?]

> @snagy2000 said:

> I hit the 20 degree today and have to say its stupid easy to hit...As far as being "super", hardly...Shaft is watered down and this club is just a updated version of the Big Bertha hybrid...You're not going to see massive, if any significant distance gains with this club...I hit them side by side and didn't see anything really making me want to pull the trigger...

 

 

How do you know the shaft is watered down? Everything on the website says “pro orange” and is same weigh as listed on MRC’s website for Pro Orange.

 

 

[snagy2000]

> @"double or triple?" said:

> > @snagy2000 said:

> > I hit the 20 degree today and have to say its stupid easy to hit...As far as being "super", hardly...Shaft is watered down and this club is just a updated version of the Big Bertha hybrid...You're not going to see massive, if any significant distance gains with this club...I hit them side by side and didn't see anything really making me want to pull the trigger...

>

>

> How do you know the shaft is watered down? Everything on the website says “pro orange” and is same weigh as listed on MRC’s website for Pro Orange.

>

>

 

I have spent a lot time with the original and can tell this shaft is a little loose. Callaway's website doesn't deliver the torque numbers and this has more than 3.2 as stated on MRC. Callaway always puts words instead of numbers for torque because they traditionally water down their shafts in an attempt make it easier for consumers to play. Example, T800 instead of T1100. Right or wrong it's their way of doing things. They can always come out and say it's the same exact shaft, but I'm betting they won't.

[double or triple?]

> @snagy2000 said:

> > @"double or triple?" said:

> > > @snagy2000 said:

> > > I hit the 20 degree today and have to say its stupid easy to hit...As far as being "super", hardly...Shaft is watered down and this club is just a updated version of the Big Bertha hybrid...You're not going to see massive, if any significant distance gains with this club...I hit them side by side and didn't see anything really making me want to pull the trigger...

> >

> >

> > How do you know the shaft is watered down? Everything on the website says “pro orange” and is same weigh as listed on MRC’s website for Pro Orange.

> >

> >

>

> I have spent a lot time with the original and can tell this shaft is a little loose. Callaway's website doesn't deliver the torque numbers and this has more than 3.2 as stated on MRC. Callaway always puts words instead of numbers for torque because they traditionally water down their shafts in an attempt make it easier for consumers to play. Example, T800 instead of T1100. Right or wrong it's their way of doing things. They can always come out and say it's the same exact shaft, but I'm betting they won't.

 

Appreciate the response. So what do you think the torque is on the Callaway offering then? Is that measureable at retail store? I ask because I was thinking of pulling the trigger but want to make sure I’m properly educated on what I’m buying.

[juggernaut0629]

Super hybrid built for fairway metal distance. Correct me if I'm wrong but aren't hybrids meant to replace long irons? Now they're building them replace fairway woods? Why do I need to hit a hybrid as far as a fairway metal? I don't.... I certainly won't buy 1 of these. MSRP on golf clubs is getting out of hand.

[snagy2000]

> @"double or triple?" said:

> > @snagy2000 said:

> > > @"double or triple?" said:

> > > > @snagy2000 said:

> > > > I hit the 20 degree today and have to say its stupid easy to hit...As far as being "super", hardly...Shaft is watered down and this club is just a updated version of the Big Bertha hybrid...You're not going to see massive, if any significant distance gains with this club...I hit them side by side and didn't see anything really making me want to pull the trigger...

> > >

> > >

> > > How do you know the shaft is watered down? Everything on the website says “pro orange” and is same weigh as listed on MRC’s website for Pro Orange.

> > >

> > >

> >

> > I have spent a lot time with the original and can tell this shaft is a little loose. Callaway's website doesn't deliver the torque numbers and this has more than 3.2 as stated on MRC. Callaway always puts words instead of numbers for torque because they traditionally water down their shafts in an attempt make it easier for consumers to play. Example, T800 instead of T1100. Right or wrong it's their way of doing things. They can always come out and say it's the same exact shaft, but I'm betting they won't.

>

> Appreciate the response. So what do you think the torque is on the Callaway offering then? Is that measureable at retail store? I ask because I was thinking of pulling the trigger but want to make sure I’m properly educated on what I’m buying.

 

Not sure a big box can or will measure at a store. My suggestion is go hit it and see if the stock shafts offerings work for you. It might! Callaway has a 17 minute fluff errr advertising video on YouTube about the product in which they're silent in regards to the shaft, but explain the head tech well. Interesting point from video, they consider this a better players club to replace 5 woods.

[chch3]

It would take a significant performance jump/forgiveness jump for me to take the Cobra F7 out of the bag. To me, it is hybrid perfection.

[mxtitleistgolfer]

> @juggernaut0629 said:

> Super hybrid built for fairway metal distance. Correct me if I'm wrong but aren't hybrids meant to replace long irons? Now they're building them replace fairway woods? Why do I need to hit a hybrid as far as a fairway metal? I don't.... I certainly won't buy 1 of these. MSRP on golf clubs is getting out of hand.

 

I don’t think there is any rule out there saying a hybrid has to be an iron replacement. Honestly I’m really excited to see what kind of performance I can get out of the 17° (thinking I’ll turn it down to 16°) because I’ve always struggled to hit fairway woods. I’m one of those guys who actually feels more confident with driver on a tight par 4 than a 3 wood. But I’ve always hit hybrids pretty well. So if I can get a hybrid worthy of taking that 3 wood slot then I’m all in.

[braincramp52]

> @mxtitleistgolfer said:

> > @juggernaut0629 said:

> > Super hybrid built for fairway metal distance. Correct me if I'm wrong but aren't hybrids meant to replace long irons? Now they're building them replace fairway woods? Why do I need to hit a hybrid as far as a fairway metal? I don't.... I certainly won't buy 1 of these. MSRP on golf clubs is getting out of hand.

>

> I don’t think there is any rule out there saying a hybrid has to be an iron replacement. Honestly I’m really excited to see what kind of performance I can get out of the 17° (thinking I’ll turn it down to 16°) because I’ve always struggled to hit fairway woods. I’m one of those guys who actually feels more confident with driver on a tight par 4 than a 3 wood. But I’ve always hit hybrids pretty well. So if I can get a hybrid worthy of taking that 3 wood slot then I’m all in.

 

I'm with you. I haven't played a fairway wood at all this year and I don't miss them one bit. My 17* Anser is much more consistant and not that much shorter.

[youngunz5840]

These remind of the adams super xtd hybrids the silver crown ones