New FlightScope Mevo+ (MERGED)

[Bubbtubbs]

33 minutes ago, And0o said:

This was from an 8 Iron. Let me know if there is any other specific club data you’re looking for.

Do you have talc powder, foot spray or impact tape to determine if you're actually making optimal contact? (i.e. measured smash is wrong from the ball speed being incorrectly low)

 

Also, dashboard mode is much easier since all the parameters are visible.

 

Here's a terrible, low-launching 4w shot as an example.

[And0o]

8 minutes ago, Bubbtubbs said:

Do you have talc powder, foot spray or impact tape to determine if you're actually making optimal contact? (i.e. measured smash is wrong from the ball speed being incorrectly low)

 

Also, dashboard mode is much easier since all the parameters are visible.

 

Here's a terrible, low-launching 4w shot as an example.

Sorry about that, obviously new to usage here is the dashboard view. I can definitely add some talc powder, but I am very certain this was well struck as I have a general good feeling on strike location. 

 

[Bubbtubbs]

1 hour ago, And0o said:

Sorry about that, obviously new to usage here is the dashboard view. I can definitely add some talc powder, but I am very certain this was well struck as I have a general good feeling on strike location. 

 

Are you aware of the optimizer tool?

 

https://trajectory.flightscope.com/

 

 

Your vertical launch is a touch low for 8i and that club speedv- at least, going by the Flightscope tour averages. If you bump it up in the optimizer and keep the other parameters the same, are you closer to your normal carry distance?

 

Have you used a launch monitor before to record the carry or are you going from GPS/laser measurements from where it ended up? Roll distance is always unreliable in any of the launch monitor algorithms so carry is really what matters.

Edited August 25, 2022 by Bubbtubbs

[And0o]

28 minutes ago, Bubbtubbs said:

Are you aware of the optimizer tool?

 

https://trajectory.flightscope.com/

 

 

Your vertical launch is a touch low for 8i and that club speedv- at least, going by the Flightscope tour averages. If you bump it up in the optimizer and keep the other parameters the same, are you closer to your normal carry distance?

 

Have you used a launch monitor before to record the carry or are you going from GPS/laser measurements from where it ended up? Roll distance is always unreliable in any of the launch monitor algorithms so carry is really what matters.

First of all thank you for trying to help me with this, I appreciate it very much! It has been sometime since I’ve been on an actual launch monitor but as someone who routinely plays 1-2x per week I know I can take an 8 Iron on just about any par 3 between 140-155ish and be on the green. 
 

Using the optimizer and adjusting that value I cannot get close to my 8 Iron numbers unless I adjust my ball speed. Those numbers are closer to a PW for me with slightly less spin.

 

Looking at the Trackman Avg Spread Sheet my Vertical Launch only appears to be about 2* off from Tour Avg. (18 to 16) for an 8 Iron

Edited August 25, 2022 by And0o

[And0o]

Just got off the phone with FS Support, they want me to try and move the net back to 13’ and see what data points I get at that distance. They think that with my VLaunch being at 16 that it might be unable to get accurate enough information for short indoor mode.

[Bubbtubbs]

58 minutes ago, And0o said:

First of all thank you for trying to help me with this, I appreciate it very much! It has been sometime since I’ve been on an actual launch monitor but as someone who routinely plays 1-2x per week I know I can take an 8 Iron on just about any par 3 between 140-155ish and be on the green. 
 

Using the optimizer and adjusting that value I cannot get close to my 8 Iron numbers unless I adjust my ball speed. Those numbers are closer to a PW for me with slightly less spin.

 

Looking at the Trackman Avg Spread Sheet my Vertical Launch only appears to be about 2* off from Tour Avg. (18 to 16) for an 8 Iron

You're only 2° lower but your club speed is 8mph less. Even with tour average efficiency, you'll have 11mph lower ball speed which means you'll have a different optimal launch angle than they do to maximize carry. 

 

If you take a look at the LPGA Flightscope averages, a 75mph swing speed 8i has an average vertical launch of nearly 21° so you're probably somewhere between 19-20°.

[Chunked Blade]

How has it performed for those of you who use it for Superspeed / Speed Stick training? I use the $130 radar monitor usually, but I wanted to try the Mevo+ out of curiosity.

 

I was very lazy about setup so some of this was self inflicted but it was mis-reading low on a lot of them. And obviously no reads on the non-dominant hand swing unless I flipped my stance. 
 

 

Edited August 29, 2022 by Chunked Blade
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[Bubbtubbs]

3 minutes ago, Chunked Blade said:

How has it performed for those of you who use it for Superspeed / Speed Stick training? I use the $130 radar monitor usually, but I wanted to try the Mevo+ out of curiosity.

 

I was very lazy about setup so some of this was be self inflicted but it was mis-reading low on a lot of them. And obviously no reads on the non-dominant hand swing unless I flipped my stance. 

If you want reliable numbers with lazy drop-and-go, this probably isn't for you. All the club data is fairly sensitive to proper setup parameters.

[Chunked Blade]

On 8/29/2022 at 8:53 AM, Bubbtubbs said:

If you want reliable numbers with lazy drop-and-go, this probably isn't for you. All the club data is fairly sensitive to proper setup parameters.

 I understand this. I am just trying to get an idea of whether or not the Mevo+ is capable of accurate reads when set up correctly and doing speed training. My understanding is that it is a newer feature, and sometimes LMs struggle with "dry" / ball-less reads.

[Bubbtubbs]

20 minutes ago, Chunked Blade said:

 I understand this. I am just trying to get an idea of whether or not the Mevo+ is capable of accurate reads when set up correctly and doing speed training. My understanding is that it is a newer feature, and sometimes LMs struggle with "dry" / ball-less reads.

I hear you, just wanted to make sure you were going in "eyes wide open".

 

The Facebook group is filled with ridiculous setups (metal, fans, air conditioners, tight space) or people taking shortcuts to get their "real" distances but then they can't understand why the rest of the data is unreliable and subsequently blame the unit.

 

I can't offer any personal anecdotes about the speed training feature since I've never used it.

[Chunked Blade]

2 hours ago, Bubbtubbs said:

I hear you, just wanted to make sure you were going in "eyes wide open".

 

The Facebook group is filled with ridiculous setups (metal, fans, air conditioners, tight space) or people taking shortcuts to get their "real" distances but then they can't understand why the rest of the data is unreliable and subsequently blame the unit.

 

I can't offer any personal anecdotes about the speed training feature since I've never used it.

Ha! I can only imagine. My first day out there with it I didn't really know what I was doing, and my path and face to path numbers were garbage.

 

Sat down with a YouTube video on its setup, bought some alignment sticks, and it's bang-on what I usually see on Trackman. An amazing tool considering the price point.

[soberD]

My mevo+ stopped recording video in coaching mode at some point this summer (I only used range mode a handful of times since the spring).

All I get is the spinning 'processing' type indicator in the display. 

 

Anybody else have this happen?

[VoodooZ]

On 10/11/2022 at 9:00 AM, soberD said:

My mevo+ stopped recording video in coaching mode at some point this summer (I only used range mode a handful of times since the spring).

All I get is the spinning 'processing' type indicator in the display. 

 

Anybody else have this happen?

Actually... I had this happen a few times on Android FS Golf app. But it usually fixed itself the next day. 

I can't quite say if it was a simple App restart but I assume rebooting Mevo+ would likely do it...

The radar has a special port that produces an MJPEG video stream so maybe the android app gets confused somehow...

[getitdaily]

Ordered mine today.

[getitdaily]

The data this things gives is just superb. 

[getitdaily]

2nd day using mine in my backyard. Saw this in a video I watched...seems this thing does not like either too much sunlight or the unit in the shade and the ball in sunlight. 

 

I had my unit in a shaded area and the ball in direct sunlight, hitting into a net in the sunlight. Unit read the start line perfectly but had everything turning left. I had to hit a hard cut (slice basically) to get it to read a slight fade. Will test more tomorrow. 

[getitdaily]

So, not feeling very confident in this thing at all. Measured exact distances. 8 feet ball to unit. 9 feet ball to net. 

 

Had the alignment setup perfectly. Had the unit at 12.7 degrees. Had the roll under 1 degree (.7 I believe).

 

7i shots showed a few pulls and mostly straight shots that started online.

 

3w showed really low launch (7 degrees) and several low duck hooks. I can tell by contact that they didn't hook. 

 

Then moved to driver and 3/4 of the drives were draws. Again, could tell by contact that it wasn't a draw. I know when I draw one and I was swinging well. I'm a fader and a +cap. 

 

I tried a ball with the silver dot and a ball without. The dot was worse. The placement of the dot dictates a lot of how the unit reads launch and path. I purposely put the dot in different places and saw all.kinds of weird reads. 

 

Entire testing 2nite was in setting sun, shade. About 545pm Orlando time. Plenty of light to see, unit, ball, net all out of direct sunlight. 

 

Idk about this thing. Gonna have to go see the guys at flightscope. They're HQ'd about 20 minutes from my house. They're wither going to help me get this thing reading correctly or it's going back.

[Bubbtubbs]

Why 12.7° and not 12°? 

 

Is the tee height setting accurate? It's going to read lower launch if it thinks you're hitting 2" above it and you're really 3 or 4. Hitting lower than the launch monitor is bad. Likewise, having a drop in elevation between the launch monitor and the hitting area is also no bueno, even if they're eventually on the same level.

 

Dot is only for spin rpm and shouldn't affect launch or start direction readings. Spin axis is calculated based on club parameters and flight since radar can only read total spin.

 

Lighting is also irrelevant - the unit functions the same in the dark as it does in full sunlight. Ball placement relative to target, however, will affect path, as will poor alignment.

[getitdaily]

11 hours ago, Bubbtubbs said:

Why 12.7° and not 12°? 

 

Is the tee height setting accurate? It's going to read lower launch if it thinks you're hitting 2" above it and you're really 3 or 4. Hitting lower than the launch monitor is bad. Likewise, having a drop in elevation between the launch monitor and the hitting area is also no bueno, even if they're eventually on the same level.

 

Dot is only for spin rpm and shouldn't affect launch or start direction readings. Spin axis is calculated based on club parameters and flight since radar can only read total spin.

 

Lighting is also irrelevant - the unit functions the same in the dark as it does in full sunlight. Ball placement relative to target, however, will affect path, as will poor alignment.

I don't have my backyard setup fully ready yet so the unit is resting on the ground. Getting to 12* on the nose isn't the easiest. My final.setup will be better since the device will sit on a small concrete paver block. 

 

I'm going to move my setup around a bit. The device is slightly above my mat. I wondered if that was bad. I have a bigger mat coming that will help. I'm also going to move my net back a few more feet when I hit driver and 3w, see if that helps. 

 

With flightscope hq 20 minutes from my house, I'm going to see if they'll give me an in-person feedback in setup.

[getitdaily]

11 hours ago, Bubbtubbs said:

Why 12.7° and not 12°? 

 

Is the tee height setting accurate? It's going to read lower launch if it thinks you're hitting 2" above it and you're really 3 or 4. Hitting lower than the launch monitor is bad. Likewise, having a drop in elevation between the launch monitor and the hitting area is also no bueno, even if they're eventually on the same level.

 

Dot is only for spin rpm and shouldn't affect launch or start direction readings. Spin axis is calculated based on club parameters and flight since radar can only read total spin.

 

Lighting is also irrelevant - the unit functions the same in the dark as it does in full sunlight. Ball placement relative to target, however, will affect path, as will poor alignment.

Is start line and curve based on the clubhead reading and not spin reading from the ball?

[Bubbtubbs]

2 hours ago, getitdaily said:

Is start line and curve based on the clubhead reading and not spin reading from the ball?

The radar tracks the ball. Start line is dependent on the launch direction relative to the unit's alignment. It reads total spin with the reflective dots/RCT then uses the club and launch data to extrapolate spin axis in indoor/short indoor mode. Outdoor it gets more flight so the spin axis is more accurate.

 

9' of flight is better than 8' but still not great for longer clubs. What's your driver ball speed?

[getitdaily]

6 minutes ago, Bubbtubbs said:

The radar tracks the ball. Start line is dependent on the launch direction relative to the unit's alignment. It reads total spin with the reflective dots/RCT then uses the club and launch data to extrapolate spin axis in indoor/short indoor mode. Outdoor it gets more flight so the spin axis is more accurate.

 

9' of flight is better than 8' but still not great for longer clubs. What's your driver ball speed?

160

[Bubbtubbs]

3w might be ok. My 19° hybrid gets up close to 150mph occasionally and no issues with it indoors, though I have 11.5' of flight.

 

Driver and 4w (to a lesser extent) consistently read higher spin and launch than outdoor numbers though. At +160mph, the unit has less than 2 revolutions to go on before it hits the net.

 

4i through wedges, the device is gold. 

[getitdaily]

On 10/31/2022 at 1:35 PM, Bubbtubbs said:

3w might be ok. My 19° hybrid gets up close to 150mph occasionally and no issues with it indoors, though I have 11.5' of flight.

 

Driver and 4w (to a lesser extent) consistently read higher spin and launch than outdoor numbers though. At +160mph, the unit has less than 2 revolutions to go on before it hits the net.

 

4i through wedges, the device is gold. 

Yeah, I'm going to move my net back as much as I can when I hit driver and 3w.

 

I have an appointment with flightscope this morning at their HQ to go over device setup.

 

Have any questions you'd like me to ask them? 

[VoodooZ]

Somebody above mentioned the lighting didn't matter... That's not totally true.

Yes, Radar component doesn't need light but the Mevo+ newer firmware  uses sensor fusion using the onboard camera for clubhead data (swing path, face, etc..).

Which means it might affect some number if you have the setting sun flooding the radar's camera... 

I'm in a garage with a controlled LED light source and although it might not be perfect, it's at least consistent.

 

As for tilt... That number can really affect things.. I know because I got a unit that was reporting a small tilt offset and since having FS support adjust it in software, my numbers make a lot more sense.. Well... as good as they can be for a hacker like me! 😞

 

Cheers

Edited November 5, 2022 by VoodooZ

[Bubbtubbs]

3 hours ago, VoodooZ said:

Somebody above mentioned the lighting didn't matter... That's not totally true.

Yes, Radar component doesn't need light but the Mevo+ newer firmware  uses sensor fusion using the onboard camera for clubhead data (swing path, face, etc..).

Which means it might affect some number if you have the setting sun flooding the radar's camera... 

I'm in a garage with a controlled LED light source and although it might not be perfect, it's at least consistent.

 

As for tilt... That number can really affect things.. I know because I got a unit that was reporting a small tilt offset and since having FS support adjust it in software, my numbers make a lot more sense.. Well... as good as they can be for a hacker like me! 😞

 

Cheers

As far as I've been told, Fusion Tracking is primarily outdoor and has little, if any effect with limited flight, given the extremely small time frame it has to observe anything with low framerate.

 

Edit: it might make a difference with low speed shots, like chipping, though I haven't seen any confirmation of that. Not to say that you're wrong - as far as I'm aware, Flightscope hasn't issued an official statement on what it does/doesn't change over previous radar-only readings indoors.

Edited November 5, 2022 by Bubbtubbs

[getitdaily]

On 11/5/2022 at 1:05 PM, Bubbtubbs said:

As far as I've been told, Fusion Tracking is primarily outdoor and has little, if any effect with limited flight, given the extremely small time frame it has to observe anything with low framerate.

 

Edit: it might make a difference with low speed shots, like chipping, though I haven't seen any confirmation of that. Not to say that you're wrong - as far as I'm aware, Flightscope hasn't issued an official statement on what it does/doesn't change over previous radar-only readings indoors.

I did some reading on the effect of direct sunlight into a doppler radar. It does seem that direct sunlight can affect the radar. How much? Idk. I generally won't have mine pointed at the setting sun, but there could be an issue for those who do.

[getitdaily]

For those of your who take your mevo+ outside. How are you making sure the device is perfectly perpendicular to the target line? 

 

I am.pretty sure all.of my misread flight directions have come from the device looking like it was 90 deg to target line but being off. The guys at flightscope told me that setup variable was critical but it's the one setup variable you can't check in the app...

 

Set it up earlier and thought it was good. Read pw face to path of 9 open...knew it was off.

[Bubbtubbs]

1 hour ago, getitdaily said:

For those of your who take your mevo+ outside. How are you making sure the device is perfectly perpendicular to the target line? 

 

I am.pretty sure all.of my misread flight directions have come from the device looking like it was 90 deg to target line but being off. The guys at flightscope told me that setup variable was critical but it's the one setup variable you can't check in the app...

 

Set it up earlier and thought it was good. Read pw face to path of 9 open...knew it was off.

I use the camera. Not much difference from lining up any other mid-to-high radar monitor, other than having to manually level it.

 

If you're concerned the unit is reading path and face metrics too far to one side, reset the camera fine adjustment and see if that helps. 

[getitdaily]

2 minutes ago, Bubbtubbs said:

I use the camera. Not much difference from lining up any other mid-to-high radar monitor, other than having to manually level it.

 

If you're concerned the unit is reading path and face metrics too far to one side, reset the camera fine adjustment and see if that helps. 

I just don't get it set perpendicular to the target line on the first try...have to adjust until things look right. Just wondering if there's an easy way to set the unit perpendicular to the target line. 

 

I'll eventually have a static hitting area and will have a paver with the device resting location measured. But for now, I have to setup and adjust.