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Paul is a serious problem. I don't think that he's completely on point.

 

1. Tension in the grip is always due to palm gripping. If you grip a club right, it's in the fingers, giving the grip way less tension

 

2. Throwing the hips into it without any arms is done before you begin. That always bothered me with him

 

3. My hands are really strong. I can carry my entire pushcart with one hand. My forearms are key to my speed, as when the club releases, it needs force. I have to grip the club firmer consciously, to maintain it. It's mostly left hand, but without the forearm strength I'd have less than 95 mph

 

4. The way Paul is it occurs to me that he's just a cashgrab. He can't play, and it's clear because with what he teaches being so high in BS I figure he barely breaks 85. I wouldn't bother.

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On 1/1/2020 at 9:15 AM, braincramp52 said:

The biggest distance killer which has plagued me forever is tension in my swing. I was watching some clips from Paul Wilson and really liked what he was teaching. Just wondered if anybody has bought his digital lesson program he's selling?

 

Haven't bought it but, as I've posted before, I know at least one person (from my small sample of acquaintances) his methods have helped. I'm sure there are others they haven't. It all depends on your particular issue. Face it, there are numerous instructors (online and in person) who are good, conscientious people whose methods simply don't work with some golfers, you have to see if tension in your arms is destroying your sequencing. It does for me but the reason I don't adopt Paul's methods full-on is that I can't control the face well enough, that's why I've gravitated towards the SP (but that's a story for another day).

 

The idea of twisting the hips and letting the pelvis/torso drive the swing from the ground up is not new (e.g. Pete Cowen's "Spiral Staircase"), nor is the approach of keeping the arms back until the body drags them around (Clay Ballard has a drill for this as does Todd Graves). Paul in fact seems to be a disciple (either knowingly or otherwise) of Mike McTeigue; he just delivers the message in his particular way.

 

Worth a look, but in order to tell if ANY approach will work for you requires a significant time and effort investment.

 

Good Luck.

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On 5/16/2021 at 6:48 AM, nlk10010 said:

 

Haven't bought it but, as I've posted before, I know at least one person (from my small sample of acquaintances) his methods have helped. I'm sure there are others they haven't. It all depends on your particular issue. Face it, there are numerous instructors (online and in person) who are good, conscientious people whose methods simply don't work with some golfers, you have to see if tension in your arms is destroying your sequencing. It does for me but the reason I don't adopt Paul's methods full-on is that I can't control the face well enough, that's why I've gravitated towards the SP (but that's a story for another day).

 

The idea of twisting the hips and letting the pelvis/torso drive the swing from the ground up is not new (e.g. Pete Cowen's "Spiral Staircase"), nor is the approach of keeping the arms back until the body drags them around (Clay Ballard has a drill for this as does Todd Graves). Paul in fact seems to be a disciple (either knowingly or otherwise) of Mike McTeigue; he just delivers the message in his particular way.

 

Worth a look, but in order to tell if ANY approach will work for you requires a significant time and effort investment.

 

Good Luck.

This is the real answer. All instruction has its advocates and deniers. Just find what works for you and swing your swing. 

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1 hour ago, NoTalentLefty said:

This is the real answer. All instruction has its advocates and deniers. Just find what works for you and swing your swing. 

 

This right here. There are some instructors that the majority of people may think aren't worth the money they pay for their free YouTube videos, but they might say something that resonates with *someone* and they end up a better golfer as a result. Lots of different "methods" and viewpoints out there, and if you find one that helps you be more consistent and score better, good for you.

 

That said, I can't think of a single forum where Paul Wilson actually has fans, or has shown up himself and added quality content. It's not just here that he's sent threads off the rails. His claims have been called out all over the place.

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Personally I watch two guys. Paul Wilson and Clay Ballard. Paul teaches an early wrist c0ck, exactly what Jim Flick taught. You can have a firm grip and still have an early wrist c0ck. Speed comes from less tension in the wrists only. 
Wilsons rotary swing teachings are a bit different, and close to Tom Watsons swing in a barrel. Wilson had back surgery and had to develop a swing. As he’s says many times “pain free”. I think he’s an good teacher for seniors.

Clay Ballard has some excellent teachings, especially drills for ball position and contact. 
Much of the teachings all have common threads, it’s just presented in different ways.  Still can’t beat the Texarkana 9 to 3 drill. 
Play well everyone. 

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Paul Wilson's  stuff on you tube was helpful to me.  Became a very straight driver without any loss of distance.   And it didn't cost me a penny. 

Then, of course, several years ago, I drifted away from Paul's stuff to I don't know what in hopes of hitting it a bit further.

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On 1/2/2020 at 11:18 AM, braincramp52 said:

I was just curious because I can relate to the tension in the wrists. I can get around a course fairly decent but I know the tension I have in my wrist and forearms knocks off a bunch of distance

 

I'm not a Paul Wilson disciple - but I like his stuff and I especially like some of his drills.

So I cherry pick a few things to use/practice.

Then again....I don't 100% follow any particular instructor.

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I like the guy, talks calm and clear, and anyone who's 50 that can hit it 300 has a decent swing to learn from. 

 

Also, I believe people in general can reason really well. And the things he says probably are exactly right for what he's trying to do. If we all had an intimate view of his swing and swing principles, everything he says would probably be spot on. 

 

But its like any swing, works for some and not others. There's a trigger out there for everyone, some people find it when they are dreaming golf, some people hear so.e hacker say something and it makes everything click.

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On 1/2/2020 at 4:42 PM, juststeve said:

I can't stand to look at Clement's golf swing. It's all lumpy and ugly. Nevertheless a firm grip doesn't always equate to tension anywhere except in the fingers. I was taught to grip as firmly as I wanted so long as it didn't induce tension in my wrists and arms.

Steve

 

This is what I have in mind also when gripping the club. When I was a youngster, I was told over and over, light grip. I just didn't know where light ended and firm began! So, I just experimented with grip tension until I found what was right for me. In my mind, I grip the club tightly with pinky - middle of my left hand (righty), but I only feel tension in the fingers. My left arm is relaxed. I generate enough speed to get the ball out there where I need it.

 

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I have mixed feelings about him.  I can't speak for his paid content but his free stuff is all very redundant and he comes across as a one trick pony.  It's like how many videos can you make about keeping your wrists loose and not swinging with your arms?  I definitely agree with him that amateurs don't use their bigger muscles (lower body and core) enough to generate power and distance but he doesn't really go into detail and falls back on cliches.  "Coil and uncoil"  "Use the ground"  "Create a whipping action... etc"  I will give him credit for correctly describing his free videos as "tips" rather than instruction. 

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At the end of the day, ask yourself: "how much of what Paul Wilson is talking about is applicable to me?" Very often, we're poor judges of what the root problems in our swings are (myself included). So Paul Wilson's fixes might work for one person if it solves their issues. But man, if you already hit a slice and you weaken your grip and fire the hips, my only advice for you is to aim 100 yards left. And play for a shank with your irons. 

 

Great coaches coach people. They don't foist methods on everyone like it's a one-size fits all solution. That's not coaching, that's just selling stuff. Also, "keep your hands out of the swing" is one of the biggest misnomers in teaching. Even body-orientated coaches teach the proper use of the hands. And BTW, good luck being a decent chipper if you don't have feel in your hands.

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