Taylormade SIM hybrid?

[Z1ggy16]

Can your sources say if a tour head will be made for them and if so, when?

[JStang]

It's amazing how much influence tour guys have on our decisions. One video surfaces of a guy talking about how much he loves a hybrid and all of a sudden everyone has to try one.

[Z1ggy16]

Yup. Why do you think they (oems) spend so much on marketing?

[halfsumo]

Wait, so according to the story these are all retail heads that were designed for a 60 gram regular flex shaft with very upright lie angles that are not bendable, (i.e. not for better players) and that they were genuinely surprised that the tour guys liked it. Now, you are saying your inside guys is telling you the heads were designed for better players? You have to admit it is kind of contradictory. I know you are just the messenger, but it sounds like they need to internally get their marketing story straight here. Like they need to say something like, "we designed these to be high launch and forgiving, but with a neutral flight that 'better players' can also enjoy." I'm not bashing, I will likely get one as I just waggled it at the shop and love the look. Just there is a lot of marketing hype, second hand info and possibly mis-information surrounding these.

[JStang]

 

This marketing clip made hybrids cool again.

[Z1ggy16]

Its a solid business strategy in my mind. Gapr was not a success as far as I know and not that many regular players have the game or speed for the p790 udi.

Positioning the hybrid as a "Hey, look DJ plays this, too" brings lots of players back to TM for a club they have not traditionally done well in. Plus, I personally have hit it and from that one time, I'd say they are legit. I plan to confirm this though by hitting again.

[JJBonyai]

Just got mine and hit it 40+ balls with it today.

Lefty here.. hzrdus smoke 6.5 tipped 1”

Absolutely love it. I’m a sucker for tour issue stuff too but this club is as clean at set up as it gets. Great feel and no threat of a hook.

[Z1ggy16]

Yeah I'd be interested to talk to a person in the know on how they designed this so it didn't over draw. Compared to most of the market these play fairly upright, yet when I was hitting the 4h I was pretty much hitting it straight and the only time it produced the hook flight was when I hit it from the toe.

Stock open face or toe weighting internally ?

[Richsgbox]

Maybe you both can agree that Rory likes it, bags it and that made for a great marketing strategy for TM. Who cares anyways?

As a guy who doesn't bag a hybrid, i'm intrigued. I've always liked the higher flight from a hybrid compared to a long iron but couldn't get over the hooks. I haven't been able to try them out but it seems it does sit more open at address than of years past.

[bruinmw]

Also got my first range session in with this, SIM Max Rescue 3h with GD DI-85x. Hits high straight bombs. Tried to hit a hook, and just got slight draws. I prefer to hit a slight fade, and this just wants to go straight to slight fade. Feel like there's more forgiveness over my Apex hybrid. Really like the way it looks at address. I did feel like the swingweight felt a little light, so I'll have to get that checked out. Looking forward to more testing and getting this out on the course.

[Fatz]

 

Tensei White 90x

Tested ADDI 85x & it lost to the above on spin. Too much. Ballooned. Tensei more consistent with better carry.

In the bag now over the 5w

Currently going back and forth on driver between regular Sim 9 set at standard or the Max Dtype 9 set to LOWER sitting open and loft -2*

Deep face Max D head bombs it. Opening it reduces spin & amount of draw for me. Forgiving af.

Playing the Sim Max open for me or reg sim open is not favourable. Gets too fade biased block right prone.

M5 9 used to be set to Standard. Forward & heel weights.

Used to game R1 as -2* at 8* and sitting open w/ draw bias. Not exactly surprised the Dtype Max clocked open at LOWER is working.

 

 

[golfer55082]

Mine same shaft, standard length. Just checked and my sw is d2.

[BostonWRX]

I always debated grabbing the D Type driver(I play a fade/high launch/high spin) and dropping it down in loft to open the face up like you did. Very interested

[Fatz]

Honestly, it ends up playing like my old 9015D and Cleveland Hibore XL/XLS Tour heads pre-dating my TM days.

Open face address, but they had some draw bias to counter the open. That was back when you had no sleeve and it was glued hozel.

The thought to do it with D-Type never occured to me before because there wasn't such a big difference in the face depth on the M6, and the M5 outshined in ballspeed.

With the Sim line all 3 heads put me in the same ball speed range. So I am not losing by dabbling with the Dtype set open. Only maybe a smidge more spin by say 200-300 RPM but my carry is right in line with the regular Sim head set at Standard.

Opening the Sim Max or Sim heads though so sit open at address seems to cause me pushing right moreso. Not a fan. Tried the Rory and Day setup or setting up the Max for more forgiveness and anti left. The Dtype just does it better and I am really digging the way deeper face.

As always, it's when you get on the course that the real story shines. Until then it's just Foresight data to me. I could game either driver set up and be OK it seems. The deep face is just more fun to me. And it seems to respond better on my mishits. More consistent.

Rescue is in the bag to stay. Never thought I would say that. Was never one for Rescues. Hooked them all. This one hits tight shapes, flies high and gives me a good consistent carry number and total that I was trying to gap.

 

 

 

 

 

[tsecor]

who are your "sources"? thats kinda lame to write that without some follow up.....They designed them for better players but didnt want the attention of tour players??? what kind of strategy is that? lol

[tsecor]

I totally fall into that trap.....like I can hit it even in the same fairway as McIlroy.....

[tsecor]

why did u tip it???

anyway, you should make a video like TM did as a spoof.

[JStang]

I am the opposite. I hit my hybrid really well but fell into the driving iron trap.

[Oldboy]

can anyone confirm the hybrids were actually in play today? watching some coverage and they mentioned rory hitting a 5 wood ...

[SMUGamer]

Not today, but I can confirm he had it in play at Torrey because I followed him myself.

[gator022]

Faldo kept saying that at Torrey but it was the 3H

[PTM]

Great news. Traded in two putters and two hybrids that never loved me. Got a 4H for free, once they check out the trade-ins.

Hit it on my Skytrak today, and wow. I've always struggled mightily with the left hybrid shot and distance. I was playing four irons more than my four hybrid. I'm getting 194-201 consistently straight, absolutely sold. Going to get a 3H when I order 5-P MP-20 HMBs in a couple weeks.

Easily the most excited about a bag setup then I've ever been before going into 2020.

[Oldboy]

i was watching today and it looked like a choke down 5 wood when they called it

[budcangolf]

Got out to play a few and test my 19* Sim Max hybrid after having a Hzrdus Black 105 6.5 tipped 1” installed. I’ve never been a hybrid guy, always found them to go left quickly and hated most of them. The Sim sets up nice and feels good. I don’t agree with most that this hybrid “won’t/ doesn’t want to go left”. I was still a able to hit several pulls and over draws with it even on a couple swings that felt good. Not 100% the clubs fault, but it will still go left if you don’t put a good swing on it. I will say it’s one of the better hybrids I’ve hit in awhile and even seriously considered gaming. Still too early to really say but all in all very nice club and may earn a spot in the bag. Just wish the lie was flatter and TM offered better shaft options...

[SMUGamer]

Exactly, we need flatter lie options! They make everything upright for those OverTheToppers!

Come on manufacturers!

[Kale_m]

Just get the ping g410. Problem solved

[SMUGamer]

The Ping hybrid just doesn't do it for me, visually. Im sure it performs just fine. If I went with a Hybrid, I'd do the new Mizuno CLK or Titleist TS3. But yes, id do one of the flatter options, per your point.

[halfsumo]

Hahah, yes. It makes me wonder how many people that don't find it to be a hook machine or think it's anti-left are actually over 6 feet tall and order all of their irons 2 degrees upright and such. Of course it's not going to be a hook machine for them, the lie angle is fine for them. I'm not sure how a stock club with a 60 degree lie angle at 40.75" could work for both Rory (at 5'9") and DJ (at 6'4") but, hey, maybe there's some weighting and sole camber type magic that just works.

[tsecor]

[tsecor]

For that shoot, im still skeptical these are "retail heads". how can they build clubs to spec with retail heads without a hot melt port? especially for DJ at his height and Rham. Rory swings it 120mph so it would seem unrealistic for him as well......i dont know...just doesnt add up for me based on the article posted and what i see on film.

once the popularity exploded, i can understand the tour truck issues though