Ping G425 closer than we think? (In hand Pics Pg. 16)

[RobNY22]

Looks good.  I like the idea of making it even more stealthy with minimal color accents, although their driver soleplates have always been nice to me.  Reminds me of the Anser driver that was al black with white lettering.  

[boycer]

On 8/25/2020 at 7:37 AM, GolfMonster09 said:

G425 Drivers: 9* LST, 10* LST, 9* MAX, 10.5* MAX, 12* MAX, 10.5 SFT

G425 Fairways: 3 LST, 3 MAX, 5 MAX, 7 MAX, 9 MAX, 3 SFT, 5 SFT, 7 SFT

G425 Hybrids: 17*,  19*, 22*, 26*, 30*, 34*

G425 Crossovers: 2, 3, 4

 

Also some really solid stock shaft options from 

Can't wait to hear about the stock shafts and put an order in. Come on ping get this thing out to us. 

[Konklifer]

My G400 Max has yet to be de-throned, but I am digging these more and more.

[ShortSticks]

13 minutes ago, Konklifer said:

My G400 Max has yet to be de-throned, but I am digging these more and more.

 

Same here, the G410 Plus, SIM MAX, Mavrik MAX and Speedzone Extreme were not able to kick the G400 MAX out the bag.  But I am willing to give this new G425MAX a try to dethrone the king.

[RacineBoxer]

48 minutes ago, ShortSticks said:

 

Same here, the G410 Plus, SIM MAX, Mavrik MAX and Speedzone Extreme were not able to kick the G400 MAX out the bag.  But I am willing to give this new G425MAX a try to dethrone the king.

 

I'm playing a 2014 Cobra BioCell driver and have struggled to kick it out of the bag.  IMO these G410 and G425 "upgrades" are going to be very small when compared to the G400 Max which was already a top performer.

 

The G410 Plus had more adjustability but that's about it.  The logic also seems to be that when you put the G410 weight into either the draw or fade position MOI takes a pretty big hit.  So folks should probably leave it center if they can work on their swing.  Now we see the G425 and it appears to have minimum movement in the rear weight.  It's almost like we're back to G400 anyways, at least if you're good with the weight in the center (and highest MOI). 

[Drawfader]

This may have already been mentioned, but apparently this will be seeded on the Japanese LPGA Tour first with an Asian market released expected before North America. It's not supposed to be released in the US until early 2021. This was mentioned by Jonathan Wall on the Fully Equipped podcast. 

[J_Tizzle]

Keep the G410 LST, go over to the SIM, or wait for the G425 LST...

 

Tough decisions here folks.  

[BigtimeHC]

1 hour ago, J_Tizzle said:

Keep the G410 LST, go over to the SIM, or wait for the G425 LST...

 

Tough decisions here folks.  

Love my SIM after coming from the g400 lst, however, G425 LST has my ears perked up for that little bit of extra forgiveness if ball speeds are similar. Potentially expensive dilemma ahead. 

[J_Tizzle]

13 minutes ago, BigtimeHC said:

Love my SIM after coming from the g400 lst, however, G425 LST has my ears perked up for that little bit of extra forgiveness if ball speeds are similar. Potentially expensive dilemma ahead. 

 

Hahahaha EXACTLY.  I hate buying something new so late in the season, plus with all the new stuff delayed until who knows when, it could get expensive really quick.  

[gmiller598]

8 hours ago, JerryTBall said:

I apologize if the translation isn’t 100% I am fortunate to have a Japanese wife, but since her stroke some of her assistance in interpretation has changed a little but this pretty much says these are a shaft for everyone there’s a red and there’s a blue

試合での使用準備が整っていた。また、鈴木はこれまでピンの純正シャフト『ALTA J CB RED』を使用してきたが、今作『ALTA J CB』は手元部がブルーのグラデーションとなり、ロゴも大きく変わったことが画像から確認できる。

The Alta J CB was a stock shaft available on the G410 and is listed on the Ping Japan website. It looks like a 45g Alta and I would not expect that to be available in the USA. Japan's shaft offerings on the G410 are pretty different than the USA. The Tensei Orange was available but that was the only similarity I recall seeing.

[JerryTBall]

Yes I agree they are usually much lighter I’m sure they’ll be putting the tour A.D. in there once the driver is available for the public.  I’m thinking right now they’re just playing it stock for Ping who knows.

[JerryTBall]

I’ve got a question, the movable weight on the back of my 410 and they’ll be one on the 425 has anybody ever tried two of them in different positions leaving one hole open

[GolfMonster09]

8 hours ago, boycer said:

Can't wait to hear about the stock shafts and put an order in. Come on ping get this thing out to us. 

 

Rogue 130 MSI

Tensei AV Orange

Updated Alta

Updated Tour

[boycer]

6 minutes ago, GolfMonster09 said:

 

Rogue 130 MSI

Tensei AV Orange

Updated Alta

Updated Tour

Thanks man. Will have to get my order in for a 9* g425 max tensei av orange playing 45". 

[GolfMonster09]

Just now, boycer said:

Thanks man. Will have to get my order in for a 9* g425 max tensei av orange playing 45". 

For sure. I'm probably going to go G425 LST 10.5 with a Hulk 6.5 hopefully. Still need to see our rep and check the upcharge shaft availability

[ATXHorn]

36 minutes ago, GolfMonster09 said:

For sure. I'm probably going to go G425 LST 10.5 with a Hulk 6.5 hopefully. Still need to see our rep and check the upcharge shaft availability

Be sure to tip that setup a few inches, if not it'll spin off the planet.

 

Any idea if adaptor stays the same from G410?

[Stetson]

2 hours ago, JerryTBall said:

I’ve got a question, the movable weight on the back of my 410 and they’ll be one on the 425 has anybody ever tried two of them in different positions leaving one hole open

in the G410 I have 12 in the center and 6 in the fade

[JerryTBall]

50 minutes ago, Stetson said:

in the G410 I have 12 in the center and 6 in the fade

What did it do to swing weight Stetson

[Stetson]

17 minutes ago, JerryTBall said:

What did it do to swing weight Stetson

I put in a 43.5” shaft, so it plays at 44.75”. Thus the extra weight was great to get it to the D3 range. It feels just a touch more solid with the additional weight out there. Might not be the case but feels like the hot spot is touch hotter. 

[JerryTBall]

33 minutes ago, Stetson said:

I put in a 43.5” shaft, so it plays at 44.75”. Thus the extra weight was great to get it to the D3 range. It feels just a touch more solid with the additional weight out there. Might not be the case but feels like the hot spot is touch hotter. 

Makes sense, had to add hot melt to G25 when cut an inch off, cause SW went to C7

[gmiller598]

2 hours ago, ATXHorn said:

Be sure to tip that setup a few inches, if not it'll spin off the planet.

 

Any idea if adaptor stays the same from G410?

It is bad enough that they aren't launching this in the USA for several months. It would be a horrible business decision if they changed the adapter 2 releases in a row. I think it is pretty safe to say the adapter will be the same.

[boycer]

59 minutes ago, gmiller598 said:

It is bad enough that they aren't launching this in the USA for several months. It would be a horrible business decision if they changed the adapter 2 releases in a row. I think it is pretty safe to say the adapter will be the same.

Pretty sure it's been mentioned here or on Instagram that it is the same adapter.

[boycer]

So who is going to Japan to buy some and bring them back for us? ?

[Poolparty]

5 hours ago, GolfMonster09 said:

 

Rogue 130 MSI

Tensei AV Orange

Updated Alta

Updated Tour

Hope it's just graphics on the Tour. Thanks

 

1 hour ago, boycer said:

So who is going to Japan to buy some and bring them back for us? ?

I'll volunteer of you guys crowd fund it!

[halfsumo]

1 hour ago, Poolparty said:

Hope it's just graphics on the Tour. Thanks

 

I'll volunteer of you guys crowd fund it!

If we get a vaccine, I''ll go for sure. If not, TourSpec  may be a good bet.

[bobbyclampett!!]

I have some very undude questions to ask, but I have recently come to focus on nothing other than MOI as I want to live in the fairway. With that:

 

1) Ping website says the combined MOI of G400 MAX, apparently they most forgiving driver ever, is over 9,900. Is there a USGA limit to MOI like there is for size and COR? 
 

2) If there is room to improve, do you guys think the MOI of G425 Max will beat G400 max? If so I will order site unseen. 
 

3) It looks amazing. I know, not a question. 
 

I may be late to the party, but it seems like the best way to be in fairway is to max out the forgiveness in the head (including a higher loft, like 10.5 instead of 9), combined with maxing out the stability of the shaft (low launch, low spin, tip stiff). 
 

So long story short, if this has higher MOI than G400 Max, I will buy. If not, I stick with G400 Max. 
 

Out of curiosity, what is MOI of SIM Max? Can’t find on interweb. 

Edited August 28, 2020 by bobbyclampett!!

[JerryTBall]

No Founders Clubs Bobby?  Ok so try this from a guy who had the 400, traded for the 410, loved it, but wanted to try another brand that advertised as better than 410, used 410 that had high trade for that! Ended up going back to Ping 400 because it was basically given away due to a sad situation. Was excited to hit it again, but because I had slipped the 410 between getting the 400 back,  it did not feel as nice or as long as the 410. Now I know there’s some will say 400 is longer more forgiving, but for me 410 standard plus 10.5 version was better fit. With that said instead of wringing hands over this, try putting the 425 3 wood in the bag. I say that cause other day I was hitting my 410 3 wood on range and the driver was working to keep up with the distance and accuracy. You’ll have 425, and you can replace a beat up fairway wood, then you can ease in to 425 driver if the FW wood can show you something.....yeah I know shorter shafts, thus why I choke up on all my clubs instead cutting, for me works as well, keeps clubs standard setup, easier to trade. 

[bobbyclampett!!]

Okay, I think I answered at least part of my own question. From Rule 4(b)(1) of the USGA Equipment rules: When the club is in a 60 degree lie angle, the moment of inertia component around the vertical axis through the clubhead’s centre of gravity must not exceed 5900 g cm2 (32.259 oz in2), plus a test tolerance of 100 g cm2 (0.547 oz in2). 

 

But that raises another: why, then, does Ping say the G400 Max achieves a "combined MOI over 9,900"? What is a combined MOI?

 

Don't want to derail the thread with definitions of MOI. All I really want to know is if G425 Max is going to have a greater MOI than G400 Max, or if G400 Max was already "maxed" out for MOI? Maybe it's not that simple...

[gmiller598]

5 minutes ago, bobbyclampett!! said:

Okay, I think I answered at least part of my own question. From Rule 4(b)(1) of the USGA Equipment rules: When the club is in a 60 degree lie angle, the moment of inertia component around the vertical axis through the clubhead’s centre of gravity must not exceed 5900 g cm2 (32.259 oz in2), plus a test tolerance of 100 g cm2 (0.547 oz in2). 

 

But that raises another: why, then, does Ping say the G400 Max achieves a "combined MOI over 9,900"? What is a combined MOI?

 

Don't want to derail the thread with definitions of MOI. All I really want to know is if G425 Max is going to have a greater MOI than G400 Max, or if G400 Max was already "maxed" out for MOI? Maybe it's not that simple...

 

Vertical and Horizontal axis. I don't believe that the USGA/R&A tests horizontal axis.

Edited August 28, 2020 by gmiller598

[Stetson]

12 minutes ago, bobbyclampett!! said:

Okay, I think I answered at least part of my own question. From Rule 4(b)(1) of the USGA Equipment rules: When the club is in a 60 degree lie angle, the moment of inertia component around the vertical axis through the clubhead’s centre of gravity must not exceed 5900 g cm2 (32.259 oz in2), plus a test tolerance of 100 g cm2 (0.547 oz in2). 

 

But that raises another: why, then, does Ping say the G400 Max achieves a "combined MOI over 9,900"? What is a combined MOI?

 

Don't want to derail the thread with definitions of MOI. All I really want to know is if G425 Max is going to have a greater MOI than G400 Max, or if G400 Max was already "maxed" out for MOI? Maybe it's not that simple...

 

The G400 Max has an MOI of 5700 as measured by the USGA.  Thus there is still room (not much) for improvement on MOI.  That being said if the G425 matches that MOI while maintaining faster ball speeds or lower spin further from the center of the face than it would still be an improvement over the G400 Max.  That being said I have no clue if they are attempting to surpass that 5700 number in the new model but if they get close to while keeping spin in check on low and heel contact than I think many will sell the 400 to get the 425.  OR ... if they simply make it sound better without requiring owners to hot melt it.