Ping G425 closer than we think? (In hand Pics Pg. 16)

[jblough99]

48 minutes ago, scott_Donald said:

Regarding the Open/ Closed/Square; there can be manufacturing tolerances, as said my 410 LST is 2* Open ish, I requested that... I bet there was ones closed. 

 

A lot has to do with whether you square the face up or leave it slightly open/closed at address. 

 

Exactly.  I can make any driver look open or closed by how I grip it.  The pics I took are of the club with the sole resting on the ground.  

[erock9174]

6 hours ago, jblough99 said:

 

Exactly.  I can make any driver look open or closed by how I grip it.  The pics I took are of the club with the sole resting on the ground.  

True, but at address now your hands need to be in a position that might not feel natural. For example I had probably 10 different K15 drivers.  I had to play my hands so far forward at address just to get the 5* closed face to sit straight that it was very unnatural feeling.  

[Wardonation]

I am hopeful the 25 MAX is neutral bias and NOT fade bias? I cannot turn my 410 LST over in neutral setting at all and I HAT to hook the ball. I have spent my whole life looking for all woods to sit "open". The 400 max turned over brilliantly and the 410 plus a touch easier 410 LST cannot turn it over and miss is a block all day...

[Golftat]

31 minutes ago, Wardonation said:

I am hopeful the 25 MAX is neutral bias and NOT fade bias? I cannot turn my 410 LST over in neutral setting at all and I HAT to hook the ball. I have spent my whole life looking for all woods to sit "open". The 400 max turned over brilliantly and the 410 plus a touch easier 410 LST cannot turn it over and miss is a block all day...

Hi, Wardonation, everybody,

I am a G400&G400 MAX user who lives in Japan.  Here are what I felt.

 

* Sound  Pitch：　High＞Low

XXIO＞G410＞G425 MAX = SFT ＞G425 LST = G400 ＞MARVRIC ＞SIM

 

* Sound Loudness：　Loud＞ Muted

XXIO = G410 ＞G425 MAX = SFT ＞ G425 LST = G400 ＞MARVRIC ＞SIM

 

* Feel：　Springy&hollow　＞　Solid&muted

G410＞ XXIO ＞ G425 MAX = SFT ＞ G400=G425LST ＞  MARVRIC ＞SIM

 

* Workability?  (I don't work drivers.)

G425 LST ＞＞＞ SUBZERO ＞ G400 ? G425 MAX ? SIM ?

 

* Draw/Fade bias : D ＞ F

G424SFT ＞＞＞ G425 MAX ＞ G400 ＞ G400 MAX  ＞ G425 LST

 

G425 MAX is much more draw-biased than G400 MAX. G425 SFT is too much draw-biased (for me.)

G410 plus and G410 LST are close in terms of D/F bias characteristics. However, G425 MAX and G425 LST are apart, i.e., G425 MAX=draw-biased, G425 LST= Slighty-fade-biased (STREIGHT-biased?).

[Wardonation]

3 minutes ago, Golftat said:

Hi, Wardonation, everybody,

I am a G400&G400 MAX user who lives in Japan.  Here are what I felt.

 

* Sound  Pitch：　High＞Low

XXIO＞G410＞G425 MAX = SFT ＞G425 LST = G400 ＞MARVRIC ＞SIM

 

* Sound Loudness：　Loud＞ Muted

XXIO = G410 ＞G425 MAX = SFT ＞ G425 LST = G400 ＞MARVRIC ＞SIM

 

* Feel：　Springy&hollow　＞　Solid&muted

G410＞ XXIO ＞ G425 MAX = SFT ＞ G400=G425LST ＞  MARVRIC ＞SIM

 

* Workability?  (I don't work drivers.)

G425 LST ＞＞＞ SUBZERO ＞ G400 ? G425 MAX ? SIM ?

 

* Draw/Fade bias : D ＞ F

G424SFT ＞＞＞ G425 MAX ＞ G400 ＞ G400 MAX  ＞ G425 LST

 

G425 MAX is much more draw-biased than G400 MAX. G425 SFT is too much draw-biased (for me.)

G410 plus and G410 LST are close in terms of D/F bias characteristics. However, G425 MAX and G425 LST are apart, i.e., G425 MAX=draw-biased, G425 LST= Slighty-fade-biased (STREIGHT-biased?).

brilliant thanks dude

[jblough99]

1 hour ago, Wardonation said:

I am hopeful the 25 MAX is neutral bias and NOT fade bias? I cannot turn my 410 LST over in neutral setting at all and I HAT to hook the ball. I have spent my whole life looking for all woods to sit "open". The 400 max turned over brilliantly and the 410 plus a touch easier 410 LST cannot turn it over and miss is a block all day...

 
From what I’ve personally seen so far, the 425 MAX is neutral with the CG shifter in the fade setting, and draw biased with the CG shifter in the neutral setting.  Again this is how it has performed for me.

 

I had the same issues with the G410 line as you so that should give you hope for the G425’s.

[osubuckeyes691]

On 11/18/2020 at 4:30 PM, jblough99 said:

 

Well good news is I have a ventus black 6x en route, hopefully it shows up Friday or Saturday so I can see what these things can really do.  

Hopefully can make my decision on which head I'm keeping.  Then I'll be the most important WRXer on the BST.

Don't forget to cut me a good deal on that LST when it's time to sell since I sent you that VB 😉 haha

[SwingBlues]

@jblough99 I am curious if the G425 Max sound changes with different shafts or not? (assuming the same strike pattern)

[jblough99]

27 minutes ago, SwingBlues said:

@jblough99 I am curious if the G425 Max sound changes with different shafts or not? (assuming the same strike pattern)

 

I could see how it sounds with the Alta CB slate and will definitely try with the Ventus when it shows up.

[SwingBlues]

2 minutes ago, jblough99 said:

 

I could see how it sounds with the Alta CB slate and will definitely try with the Ventus when it shows up.

 

Thanks. I also wanted to say THANK YOU for all your great postings and followups for me and others here. It's very much appreciated and really help us all to consider the G425

[jblough99]

10 minutes ago, SwingBlues said:

 

Thanks. I also wanted to say THANK YOU for all your great postings and followups for me and others here. It's very much appreciated and really help us all to consider the G425

 

Sure thing, no problem at all.  That's the whole point of this site isn't it?  A place for a bunch of golf gear degenerates to come together and share their experiences.

[jblough99]

Ventus Black 6X showed up this morning, currently waiting on the epoxy to dry.  Really makes me wonder why I use 24 hour cure epoxy!!!!

 

Should have some time on the sim tomorrow to get some updated numbers.

[Holy Moses]

When will the G425 be in stores to try and demo?

[hybrid25]

1 hour ago, Holy Moses said:

When will the G425 be in stores to try and demo?

I personally am looking forward to it! Right now, I think it is going to be the driver I will buy. Either that or the 410 Plus. I can get a great deal on the 410 plus, especially after the 425 Max comes out, so it will be one of those two most likely. When I demo them side-by-side I will select. I got to believe the 425 Max is even more forgiving with the heavier weight in the back.

As far as your question, I have heard in January sometime.

Edited November 21, 2020 by hybrid25

[Mookieb10]

Danggg. I had the best round of my life today, a 4 over par 74, with the g410 lst, 10.5* in the bag. Played in the ventus blue 6x, 45”, in the “secret +” setting. I drove the ball quite well today, hitting 10/13 fairways with the driver. Funny enough 2/3 fairways I didn’t hit are the 2 birdies I made. It’s gunna be hard to move on, but that 2% improvement in MOI and 200-300 rpm spin reduction hit are tempting. 
 

Man, so happy right now. Super high of golf.  I just wish I got rid of those FOUR 3 putts!!! 

[OhYeahPlayer]

14 minutes ago, Mookieb10 said:

Played in the ventus blue 6x, 45”, in the “secret +” setting.

 

Can you explain or link what this means? 

[Frid_the_kid]

I believe he means FLAT +1 setting.  That flat lie angle option is good for a lot of people (especially if playing a longer driver).  

[hybrid25]

In this video, the 410plus is compared to the 425max. The author says that because the 425 is a lower spin than the 410, you might have to put the 425 in a higher loft than the 410 to get the same distance out of it. 

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLv45wEyAac

[bama11]

1 hour ago, Mookieb10 said:

Danggg. I had the best round of my life today, a 4 over par 74, with the g410 lst, 10.5* in the bag. Played in the ventus blue 6x, 45”, in the “secret +” setting. I drove the ball quite well today, hitting 10/13 fairways with the driver. Funny enough 2/3 fairways I didn’t hit are the 2 birdies I made. It’s gunna be hard to move on, but that 2% improvement in MOI and 200-300 rpm spin reduction hit are tempting. 
 

Man, so happy right now. Super high of golf.  I just wish I got rid of those FOUR 3 putts!!! 

What is the secret + setting? I’m thinking of putting that shaft in my 410 lst; congrats on your nice round!

[Carolina Golfer 2]

4 hours ago, Holy Moses said:

When will the G425 be in stores to try and demo?

Officially early January, although some select fitters may get it in late December. 

[Qegurezi]

1 hour ago, hybrid25 said:

In this video, the 410plus is compared to the 425max. The author says that because the 425 is a lower spin than the 410, you might have to put the 425 in a higher loft than the 410 to get the same distance out of it. 

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLv45wEyAac

 

What a pity his results and strikes are all over the place. I'd throw his stats out tbh. In the comments tho he says he's fitting people into higher lofts with the 425 Max so that's interesting to take on board. 

[jblough99]

So here are the updated numbers with the Ventus Black 6X.  Again played both heads in the standard loft setting with the CG shifter in neutral.  Shaft is tipped 1” and plays at 44.5”.  No additional weight was added to either head, swingweight came out right around D0.  The LST is red on the charts and the MAX is green.

 

As you can see from the averages below, the LST works better for me.  What really surprised me was how much tighter the dispersion circle was with the LST vs the MAX.  Just felt really dialed in with this combo.

 

@SwingBlues The sound definitely improved on the MAX with the Ventus vs the stock shaft.  Still has a bit of a hollow sound, nothing a little hotmelt couldn’t fix.

 

 

[TheGolfingRealtor]

6 hours ago, Holy Moses said:

When will the G425 be in stores to try and demo?

12/15

[scott_Donald]

58 minutes ago, jblough99 said:

So here are the updated numbers with the Ventus Black 6X.  Again played both heads in the standard loft setting with the CG shifter in neutral.  Shaft is tipped 1” and plays at 44.5”.  No additional weight was added to either head, swingweight came out right around D0.  The LST is red on the charts and the MAX is green.

 

As you can see from the averages below, the LST works better for me.  What really surprised me was how much tighter the dispersion circle was with the LST vs the MAX.  Just felt really dialed in with this combo.

 

@SwingBlues The sound definitely improved on the MAX with the Ventus vs the stock shaft.  Still has a bit of a hollow sound, nothing a little hotmelt couldn’t fix.

 

 

 

What weight do you normally play a driver at? at D0 I would have no idea where the head was.

[jblough99]

4 minutes ago, scott_Donald said:

 

What weight do you normally play a driver at? at D0 I would have no idea where the head was.

 

Usually around D3-D4 but I have no problems with lighter.  I've messed around with setups as low as C8 and as heavy as E0.

 

I might swap over the Max weight into the LST.  Would add about 9 grams and bring it up to right around D4.

Edited November 22, 2020 by jblough99

[Mookieb10]

7 hours ago, bama11 said:

What is the secret + setting? I’m thinking of putting that shaft in my 410 lst; congrats on your nice round!

Thanks. The “flat +” setting. “Secret +” was a stupid name to call it but it was the first name that came to mind. I think they used to call it that cause when the head is played in any of the flat settings, there isn’t any image visible on the adapter. 

[Mookieb10]

8 hours ago, arenapoutine said:

 

Can you explain or link what this means? 

sorry. The “flat +” setting. The other name was the first one that came to mind. 

[jblough99]

Also just an FYI on how I have my Skytrak setup.  You have the option of displaying spin 2 ways.  Total spin with spin axis which is how I have mine or backspin and sidespin without spin axis.

The total spin shows the back spin and side spin added together and gives a separate spin axis measurement.  So actual back spin is lower than what the numbers in the charts above are showing.

I might change it to see the actual backspin numbers.

Only reason I mention any of this is to illustrate that both heads are in fact quite low spin.  Even using the stock stiff shaft, my spin numbers were really good for both heads.

 

Update:  Went back in to my session history from last night and it let me change to backspin/sidespin.  So here are the true backspin numbers.  First is the LST and Max is second.

 

Edited November 22, 2020 by jblough99

[Frid_the_kid]

6 hours ago, Mookieb10 said:

sorry. The “flat +” setting. The other name was the first one that came to mind. 

You are correct about it being called a secret setting originally (started off as completely unmarked & unpublished in the anser/G25/Rapture 13).  Then it went away, until G410 (now only marked internally).  

[Mookieb10]

49 minutes ago, Frid_the_kid said:

You are correct about it being called a secret setting originally (started off as completely unmarked & unpublished in the anser/G25/Rapture 13).  Then it went away, until G410 (now only marked internally).  

 
Interesting. I thought I remembered that name but did not know the back story.