Jump to content

The New Course, Castle, or Jubilee?


Recommended Posts

I am planning a first trip to Scotland and have been told to book a reservation at The Old Course, I must also book a round at one of the other nearby courses (The New Course, the Castle course or Jubilee).

Any ideas on which one of these to pick?

Would appreciate any/all opinions. \

We will also be playing Turnberry/Prestwick/Troon/North Berwick/Muirfield/The Old Course/Kingsbarn, so the pick isn't that important, but we do want to play something memorable.

 

Thanks

Driver: Ping G425 Max 12 deg w/MR Tensei Orange R
Woods: Ping G425 5w & 7w w/MR Tensei Orange R
Hybrid: PXG 25 w/MR Tensei Red R
Irons: Ping i200 5-U w/Project X 5.5 LZ
Wedges: Ping Eye 2 Gorge S w/DG Spinner/Cleveland 588 60 Tour Issue w/DG S400
Putter: Gamer Arizonan 
Ball: Titleist ProV1x 

Link to post
Share on other sites
  • Replies 65
  • Created
  • Last Reply

Top Posters In This Topic

Top Posters In This Topic

Popular Posts

Castle is probably the most memorable of the three. It doesn't get the love that the older courses (Old, New, Jubilee) do because it is a more modern design but I quite liked it.

I would actually go for the Castle course, the 17th makes it worth it on its own, and the views are fantastic   I have played the new a few times now though and the castle only once, castle is just a

New is the best course. Castle has the best views. New would be my choice if I were only playing one but I’ve played both several times. For a person that is less likely to go back I’d probably recomm

Castle is probably the most memorable of the three. It doesn't get the love that the older courses (Old, New, Jubilee) do because it is a more modern design but I quite liked it.

  • Like 2

Cobra RAD Speed 9* : Ventus Blue 6-S

Cobra RAD Speed 3W : Graphite Design AD TP8-S

Cobra ForgedTec 3-iron : Ventus Blue HB 8-S

Srixon Z785 4-PW : Nippon Modus3 120-S

Cleveland RTX3 50, 54: Nippon 115-S Wedge

Cobra MIM Black 58 : Nippon 125-S Wedge

Piretti Potenza 370g : Breakthrough Technology Stability Shaft - 34"

Link to post
Share on other sites

I played Old, New and Castle courses last April.

Castle was a quality course with spectacular views and some great holes. A course you could play ever day quite easily... But in my opinion it is a modern day course. and could be on a coastline anywhere.

The New, running along side the Old would be my preference. Great old links course, on the same patch of land and close to all the history of the town.

With views across TOC and into the town sometimes you feel like you are on the old course!

 

Cheers,

Waz

Link to post
Share on other sites

I would actually go for the Castle course, the 17th makes it worth it on its own, and the views are fantastic

 

I have played the new a few times now though and the castle only once, castle is just a little different

  • Like 1

Driver: :taylormade-small: Sim2 MAX 9*

3 Wood: :taylormade-small: Sim Max 15*

Hybrid:     :ping-small: G 19*

Hybrid Irons: :adams-small:  Pro DHY 21 & 24*

Irons:       :ping-small: i500 6-PW

Gap Wedge:  :ping-small: Glide 3 50*

Wedges: :taylormade-small: Hi-Toe Raw 54 & 58*

Putter:  :odyssey-small:  O-Works 7

 

 

Link to post
Share on other sites

I've played the New and the Jubilee. Both are really solid, and relatively similar in design and layout. The Jubilee has a few holes with really significant tall dunes, something that's not really present on the New. For that reason alone, I'd suggest the Jubilee. I've never played the Castle, but have heard that its a bit polarizing. Some like its location, views, and sometimes extreme greens, others don't.

I see you're playing the standard high-end Open Championship rota, which is absolutely great. But you could also consider substituting a few of the less famous courses, save a few pounds, and play alongside Scots instead of tourists for a day or two.

Link to post
Share on other sites

Having played and been on all of them.....

The new and old course are very similar, if playing the Old, then I wouldn't recommend the new. I am not a huge fan of the Castle course and prefer the Jubilee. The Jubilee as stated just above has quite a few significant dunes on it and I think takes the cake.

However I will say the New Course I think is better than the Old Course, but for it's history, if you haven't played the old you have to play it.

  • Driver - Callaway Epic Max LS on Ventus Purple
  • 4 Wood - Company that shall not be named, turned down 1* and open on a UST Mamaiya Black
  • 7 Wood - Company that shall not be named, turned down 1* and open on a UST Mamaiya Black
  • Hybrid - Ping G400 17*
  • Irons - Srixon ZX4 4 iron on Recoil 110
  • Irons - Srixon ZX5 5 iron on Recoil 110
  • Irons - Srixon ZX7 (6-PW) on Recoil 110
  • Wedges - Cleveland 50* mid Zipcore, Callaway MD5 54*, Cleveland Zipcore 60* Mid all on Recoil 110
  • Putters -  Sunset Beach Ocracoke or Mannkrafted MA/66 (Testing Odyssey V Line Tank @ 39" with split hands)
  • Ball - TP5 or Srixon Z Star 
Link to post
Share on other sites

As long as it's not the Castle. New/Jubilee is a toss up IMHO.

You've got all the big guns nailed down, so can you choose Eden course instead of New/Jubilee? It's got some mediocre ones around a marsh, but it also has some really cool holes and actually has the estuary in play for a bit unlike the others.

Great trip regardless. Have fun!

[url="http://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vTOZNxdsDKajrKxaUCRjcU8eB7URcAMpaCWN-67Bt6QG8rmBUPYW3QAQ7k87BlYizIMKJzEhuzqr9OQ/pubhtml?gid=0&single=true"]WITB[/url] | [url="http://tinyurl.com/CoursesPlayedList"]Courses Played list[/url] |  [url="http://tinyurl.com/25GolfingFaves"] 25 Faves [/url]

F.T.

Link to post
Share on other sites

I'll vote castle. Yes it is new and not historic. But I think it is worth it and a nice change of pace from 6 of the other 8. Obviously Kingsbarns is new as well, but they are totally different. You are playing plenty of the classics, the New Course isn't memorable like the castle course will be. It will be your eye candy course.

  • Like 1
Link to post
Share on other sites

I personally prefer The Castle over all the courses around St. Andrews. The similarity of The Old and The New when it comes to topography makes it a little redundant. That being said they are all good courses and even The Jubilee has some really good holes in the dunes but i still prefer the Castle. In fact I prefer The Castle over Kingsbarns, however, as mentioned the greens on The Castle are pretty severe, so keep that in mind. I would add one other option since you are playing the other Scottish courses in the Open rota. You are only a little over an hour drive to Carnoustie. If you don't mind the drive I would pick Carnousite over any of the other courses.

TaylorMade Sim Max 9* @ 7* Aldila Quaranta Reg
Ping G410 3wd @ Flat setting Grafalloy Pro lite 3.5 Reg
Ping G410 7wd @ Flat setting Graffaloy Pro Lite 3.5 Reg
Ping G410 22 hybrid @ 21 flat Alta CB Reg
Ping g25 5-PW Steelfiber i95 Reg
Cleveland Zipcore Raw 50* Mid, 54* Full @ 55, 58* Low @ 60 Hi Rev 2.0 Reg
Evnroll TR8 33"

Link to post
Share on other sites

In order to apply for advanced reservations on the Old Course, he's required to commit to play one of the other St Andrews courses, and pay for it in advance. Adding Carnoustie might mean adding another day, which certainly is never a bad idea.

Link to post
Share on other sites

Is that a new requirement? When I went in 2018 and applied for an advanced time that was not required. Just asking because I am planning our 2022 trip for the Aberdeen area but wanted to squeeze in a round at The Old since some new guys going on that trip have not played it yet.

TaylorMade Sim Max 9* @ 7* Aldila Quaranta Reg
Ping G410 3wd @ Flat setting Grafalloy Pro lite 3.5 Reg
Ping G410 7wd @ Flat setting Graffaloy Pro Lite 3.5 Reg
Ping G410 22 hybrid @ 21 flat Alta CB Reg
Ping g25 5-PW Steelfiber i95 Reg
Cleveland Zipcore Raw 50* Mid, 54* Full @ 55, 58* Low @ 60 Hi Rev 2.0 Reg
Evnroll TR8 33"

Link to post
Share on other sites

It was definitely a requirement when I planned trips in 2011 and 2012. In looking at the St Andrews website, it was a requirement for 2020, except in the Low Season (before March 31 or after November 1). I don't know if it applies to tour planners, who have their own sources for Old Course tee times.

  • Like 1
Link to post
Share on other sites

Ok thanks for the headsup. I won't be applying until August of 2021 but I will have to keep that in mind. Focus now is counting the days till our Ireland trip...

TaylorMade Sim Max 9* @ 7* Aldila Quaranta Reg
Ping G410 3wd @ Flat setting Grafalloy Pro lite 3.5 Reg
Ping G410 7wd @ Flat setting Graffaloy Pro Lite 3.5 Reg
Ping G410 22 hybrid @ 21 flat Alta CB Reg
Ping g25 5-PW Steelfiber i95 Reg
Cleveland Zipcore Raw 50* Mid, 54* Full @ 55, 58* Low @ 60 Hi Rev 2.0 Reg
Evnroll TR8 33"

Link to post
Share on other sites

I won a spot in the 2019 singles lottery, and the package included a round at TOC and Castle. There was no option to pick a 2nd course. I played TOC, Castle, Kingsbarns, New, and Jubilee. New and Jubilee were fine, but I should have arranged to spend the last day at Carnoustie.

 

Ping G400 Max 10.5 - Fujikura Vista Pro 65 Flex-X 44.5"
TaylorMade AeroBurner Mini Driver 16 - Matrix Speed RUL-Z 60 Stiff
Ping G410 7wd 20.5 (0 Flat) - Alta CB 65 Stiff (43")
Ping G410 9wd 23.5 (0 Flat) - Alta CB 65 Stiff (42.5")
Ping G410 5h 26 (0 Flat) - Alta CB 70 Stiff
Ping i200 6-P (2 Deg Weak) Orange Dot (2 Deg Flat) - True Temper X95 S300
Ping Glide 3.0 52-12 SS, 56-10 Eye2, and 60-10 SS Orange Dot (2 Deg Flat) - Ping Z-Z115 Wedge
Odyssey O-Works #7 Tank 38"

Link to post
Share on other sites

If you applied as a single that is likely because there is no choice, you're getting the Castle Course (as Arg points out). So there wouldn't be any dropdown list to choose the 2nd one from.

If you're putting in an application for between 2-8 players you get the choice.

[url="http://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vTOZNxdsDKajrKxaUCRjcU8eB7URcAMpaCWN-67Bt6QG8rmBUPYW3QAQ7k87BlYizIMKJzEhuzqr9OQ/pubhtml?gid=0&single=true"]WITB[/url] | [url="http://tinyurl.com/CoursesPlayedList"]Courses Played list[/url] |  [url="http://tinyurl.com/25GolfingFaves"] 25 Faves [/url]

F.T.

Link to post
Share on other sites

Applied this year and was selected. We are going in June. It gave me the option to select one of the other courses or leave it open to what was picked for us. Don’t remember the actual wording when filling out the request. In addition to our Old Course time we were given a time at Castle. I am actually looking forward to it given the views it is supposed to have.

We also have North Berwick, Muirfield, Carnoustie and Kingsbarns planned so a good mix of old and newer.

Ping G400 10.5* - Ping Tour 65
Ping G410  17.5* and 20.5* Tour stiff
Ping I25 5-pw - CFS S Cushin +1/4
Ping Glide 3.0 52/58 SS
Ping Redwood Anser - Starshot Finish

Link to post
Share on other sites

here's my order...New Course, Jubilee and anything other than the Castle course. The greens were so tricked up (way too many undulations and hills in the greens) that it was borderline unplayable. Yes, beautiful setting and a beautiful course but that doesn't mean it was designed well. Make the trek over to Carnoustie and/or Kingsbarnes, you won't regret it. Or play Crail Golfing Society down the road (Balcomie and Craigshead courses are fantastic). The New Course is actually a really good golf course and I quite enjoyed the very "playable" Jubilee course (great warm up course). If I went back I wouldn't even consider the Castle course.

Link to post
Share on other sites

New Course for all the reasons mentioned earlier in the thread. :-) Enjoy your Golf Journey, definitely a few ☑️ on the Bucket List. North Berwick is probably the sleeper amongst the courses you’re due to play, in my mind a genuinely good Golf Course! Fingers X:ed for good weather + 12-15 mph winds! ;-)

Driver: TSi3 9 • Ventus Red / Blue 6X / 6X SST-Pured 

3W: TSi2 15 • Graphite Design Tour AD Di ”Black” 7X SST-Pured

7W: TSi2 21 • Graphite Design Tour AD Di ”Black” 7X SST-Pured

2i: 718 T-MB • Graphite Design Tour AD Di 95X

4i - 5i: 718 T-MB • Nippon N.S. PRO Modus3 Tour 130S

6i - 9i: 716 CB • Nippon N.S. PRO Modus3 Tour 130S

W46, 50, 54, 60: SM8 • Nippon N.S. PRO Modus3 Tour 130S

Putter: Evnroll ER8 ”Cleaned Out” 370g / 33,5”

Shoes: FootJoy ICON & Pro-SL

Glove: Titleist Perma Soft (M/L) Ball: Titleist Pro V1x (2021)

Link to post
Share on other sites

My wife shot a 73 in 25mph wins at the Castle Course. She is a .5 and great putter. She had no problems with the greens. They are tough, sure, they beat me up, but I am a trash putter. They aren't unfair like they were when first built. He is already playing 6 classic courses. He is looking for memorable, there is nothing memorable about the new course. It is a watered down version of the old course with no history. His line up is stacked, the only way he will remember this last course is if it is different and stands out in a big way. Castle course fits that.

  • Like 1
Link to post
Share on other sites

Fair enough however, I don't believe the Castle Course is more memorable than a course built in 1895 by Tom Morris that shares the same land as the most famous course in the world. I guess we differ in our thoughts and how we judge and what we consider to be memorable courses. That doesn't mean that your opinion on the Castle course being more memorable is wrong/right.

It sounds like they have changed/modified the greens in the last 10 years (when I was there in 2010)? If that's the case then maybe i would give it another chance.

Frankly, the OP asked for any/all opinions and i offered mine. Plain and simple I didn't like the course when I played it which could very well be outdated due to recent modifications of the greens. To me score and conditions are/were irrelevant. I broke 80 there too and still didn't care for it.

Therefore, I believe your opinion is just as valuable as mine. I love a good debate on golf courses and architecture and would welcome a spirited discussion over a beer or two..I offered that if he wants a more memorable experience to play Carnoustie as his last round. If I had to book 2 rounds on the St Andrews Links Trust courses I wouldn't include, based on my own experience, the Castle Course - that's all.

Link to post
Share on other sites

I would never argue that the Castle Course is a better designed course. My opinion is it is more memorable, I look back on my trip and a lot of those holes stand out and provide great memories. Not so much the New Course. I wouldn't pick it over any of the other 7 courses he has listed, I am not sure I would need to even play it again. But for a first time and 1 time thing I'd play it. I love good architecture as well, and 100% get where you are coming from and it is valid. I also understand your criticism because I looked it up and those greens have been remodeled/flatted 3 or 4 times since being built, so it really was a different course 10 years ago, I can only imagine what they were like when you played..?

It comes down to what the OP considers memorable.

Link to post
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    No registered users viewing this page.

  • Our picks

    • Wichita Open (Korn Ferry) - Discussion and Links
      Please put any question or comments here.
       
      Links to the galleries...
      2021 Wichita Open (Korn Ferry) - Tuesday #1
      2021 Wichita Open (Korn Ferry) - Tuesday #2
      2021 Wichita Open (Korn Ferry) - Tuesday #3
      2021 Wichita Open (Korn Ferry) - Tuesday #4
      2021 Wichita Open (Korn Ferry) - Tuesday #5
      2021 Wichita Open (Korn Ferry) - Tuesday #6
      2021 Wichita Open (Korn Ferry) - Tuesday #7
      2021 Wichita Open (Korn Ferry) - Tuesday #8
      2021 Wichita Open (Korn Ferry) - Tuesday #9
       
      Adam Svensson with new model of Puma golf shoes - 2021 Wichita Open (Korn Ferry)
       


       
      2021 Wichita Open (Korn Ferry) - Tuesday #1
      2021 Wichita Open (Korn Ferry) - Tuesday #2
      2021 Wichita Open (Korn Ferry) - Tuesday #3
      2021 Wichita Open (Korn Ferry) - Tuesday #4
      2021 Wichita Open (Korn Ferry) - Tuesday #5
      2021 Wichita Open (Korn Ferry) - Tuesday #6
      2021 Wichita Open (Korn Ferry) - Tuesday #7
      2021 Wichita Open (Korn Ferry) - Tuesday #8
      2021 Wichita Open (Korn Ferry) - Tuesday #9
       
      Adam Svensson with new model of Puma golf shoes - 2021 Wichita Open (Korn Ferry)
       

       
        • Like
      • 4 replies
    • 2021 Palmetto Championship @ Congaree - Discussion and Links
      Please put any questions or comments here
       
       

       
      2021 Palmetto Championship @ Congaree - Tuesday #1
      2021 Palmetto Championship @ Congaree - Tuesday #2
      2021 Palmetto Championship @ Congaree - Tuesday #3
      2021 Palmetto Championship @ Congaree - Tuesday #4
      2021 Palmetto Championship @ Congaree - Tuesday #5
      2021 Palmetto Championship @ Congaree - Tuesday #6
       
       

       
       
      Bryson Nimmer's Bettinardi putter - 2021 Palmetto Championship @ Congaree
      Dustin Johnson's got the putter try-outs going on - 2021 Palmetto Championship @ Congaree
      Scotty Cameron putters - 2021 Palmetto Championship @ Congaree
       
       
       
       
        • Like
      • 35 replies
    • 2021 Memorial - Discussion & Links
      Please put any questions or comments here
       
       
       
       

       
      2021 Memorial - Tuesday #1
      2021 Memorial - Tuesday #2
      2021 Memorial - Tuesday #3
      2021 Memorial - Tuesday #4
      2021 Memorial - Tuesday #5
      2021 Memorial - Tuesday #6
      2021 Memorial - Tuesday #7
      2021 Memorial - Tuesday #8
      2021 Memorial - Tuesday #9
       
       
       

       
       
       

       
      Piretti putter & cover for Hideki - 2021 Memorial
      Odyssey putters - 2021 Memorial
      New Odyssey (play like a kid) putter over - 2021 Memorial
      Bettinardi putters & covers - 2021 Memorial
      Ben An's Cameron putter - 2021 Memorial
       
       
      • 27 replies
    • 2021 Charles Schwab Challenge  - Discussion & Links
      Please put any questions or comments here
       
       

       
      2021 Charles Schwab Challenge - Tuesday #1
      2021 Charles Schwab Challenge - Tuesday #2
      2021 Charles Schwab Challenge - Tuesday #3
      2021 Charles Schwab Challenge - Tuesday #4
      2021 Charles Schwab Challenge - Tuesday #5
      2021 Charles Schwab Challenge - Tuesday #6
      2021 Charles Schwab Challenge - Tuesday #7
       
       

       
      2021 Charles Schwab Challenge winner will get this Power wagon
      Eric Compton testing Axis 1 putter - 2021 Charles Schwab Challenge
      Cameron putter and new cover - 2021 Charles Schwab Challenge
       
       
      • 7 replies
    • Phil Mickelson Winning WITB from the 2021 PGA Championship
      Phil Mickelson's Winning What's In The Bag? 
       
      Driver: Callaway Epic Speed Triple Diamond (6 degrees @5.5 , green dot cog) Fujikura Ventus Black 6 X (47.9 inches)
      2-wood: TaylorMade “Original One” Mini Driver (11.5 degrees) Fujikura Ventus Black 7 X
      4-wood: (Sunday only): Callaway Mavrik Sub Zero (16.5 degrees) Fujikura Ventus Blue 8 X
      Irons: Callaway X Forged UT (16) (Thursday-Saturday), Callaway X21 UT Proto (19 degrees @20.5, 25), Callaway Apex MB ‘21 (small groove) (6-PW) Shafts- 16* MCA MMT 105 TX, KBS Tour V 125 S+
      Wedges: Callaway PM Grind ’19 “Raw” ([email protected]*, 55-12*, 60-10*) Shafts: KBS Tour V 125 S+
      Putter: Odyssey Milled Blade “Phil Mickelson” SuperStroke Pistol GT Tour
      Ball: Callaway Chrome Soft X (Triple Track)
      Grips: Golf Pride MCC
       
      Link to more pics on the front-page... https://www.golfwrx.com/654804/phil-mickelson-witb-2021-may-pga-championship/
       

       
       
        • Thanks
        • Like
      • 86 replies

×
×
  • Create New...