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My buddy has gone from a twice a year 20+HCP golfer to a weekly 14HCP player and is ready to trade his Ping G700s to something with a bit more feel and spin. I accompanied him to a fitting at Club Champion where he was fit into the new Mavrik Pro with Steelfiber i95 regular. He hit it very well and had better numbers and dispersion than his current gamers, but ultimately he was very disappointed because the Callaway Apex fitting head was broken, and this was one of the irons her really wanted to try! It is hard to get info on the Mavrik Pro given it is so new, but I really hoped that the gear heads here may have hit the two or had some experiences.

He had a few questions, and I offered to post them in hopes of a response since I spend a lot of time on these boards.

1) Which iron (Standard Apex '19 or Mavrik PRO) would be considered more "player" and which "more forgiving"?

2) Any comments on feel/ball speed/spin between Apex '19 and Mavrik PRO?

3) Thoughts on the Steelfiber i95? He swings 6i at ~85 during the fitting with a fairly smooth release. He enjoyed the feel and weight, but was concerned about not going with stiff in case he picks up a few MPH as he plays more.

So how bout it guys? Any insights?

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This is a tough one and he really needs to hit the apex.

the mav pr is a sleeper this year and is a great iron - but its callaways "yearly" iron. the apex is an every-three-years-iron. ymmv on what that means to you.

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I've talked him into going into the local big box and hitting the two with the stock offerings. The shafts are basically the same (elevate 95 and 105) and this way he can at least get an idea of feel and ball speed head to head.

 

Still, I would love some responses... surely some have tried both! I was trying to dissect the Mavrik Pro thread and saw some responses... anyone care to elaborate? My bud can't be the only one comparing these two offerings!

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Radio silence huh? I will update after my buddy goes to hit the two again tomorrow.

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Calloway Apex 4h - 23* - Rogue Silver 110msi X (or 4i)
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I compared the Mavrik Pro with both the Apex CF19 and Apex Pro. Of the three, I preferred the feel of the Apex Pro the best. I preferred the Mavrik Pro over the Apex, however, most likely because I hit it better. The Mavrik Pro compared similarly to the Apex Pro in size (thinish top line) and offset. Additionally, the Mavrik was longest of the bunch and the most forgiving.

I ultimately chose the Mavrik Pro due to its similarities to the Apex Pro, but with added forgiveness and distance. When I pure the Mavrik Pros it is quite the satisfying sound and feeling. They are not clickey.

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I have heard this too and let my buddy know. With 85ss on the 6, and around 100 on driver, Aerotech would put him in the regular too.

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I can't really chime in totally on-point, but I can give you some tidbits that you might cobble together into something useful.

80mph 6 iron swing speed, and currently play SF i110 regular flex in my 919 HM irons. Also have a set of Epic irons with SF i95 regular flex. Both shafts in regular flex work for me. To be honest, I would think at 85mph swing speed, regular might be fine, but regular hard-stepped or stiff soft-stepped might be better. I find the stiffness of the SF 95 to be a bit overstated, but in fairness, I have never hit the stiff flex. Regular flex is very playable. Personally, I get along a bit better with the heavier weight of the i110, which played out in my fitting.

I also have a set of Rogue Pros with Tour V-100 (regular flex). I really like the Rogue Pros, which I am sure are pretty similar to the Mavrik Pros. I hit the standard Apex '19 in my fitting, and didn't love them. They were one of the worst performers for me. But that is obviously personal. YMMV.

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I had the Apex 19 and left them to go to my current gamers which are the latest P790 irons. I like my current irons better than I did the Apex 19. They just didn’t look right to me with the more rounded shape. I hit the Mavrik pros the other night at golf galaxy and I was blown away! The feel was so soft and the dispersion was within a couple of yards after about 10 shots. Very consistent irons. They have me intrigued. They felt as good to me as Apex and were more forgiving too.

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I say stay with the Mav. Pro's. Maybe not quite as sleek as the Apex 19's , but not much of a difference. Feel for me is better in the Mav. Pro's, both irons produce great ball speeds. As far as the SF. shaft, the 95 in reg. can handle what he has for speed now and even if he goes up a little faster.

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I haven't hit the steelfiber regulars, but i was shocked how stiff the i95 stiff flex is. I usually plays an x flex iron shaft, especially in lower weights. Had recently been plays Modus 105x. thought i would easily translate into steelfibers in x flex. i mean, graphite and lower weight. usually you are thinking to go up a flex. but the stiff actually fit me better. and with some research this is common knowledge that they play stiff to flex. alot of the tour players that are playing steelfibers are using the s flex as well. so would not seem to strange to me that your friend was fit into the regular flex.

that being said. why not address that into the fitting. if i am interested in walking away with a stiff flex to support my growing game and the fitter fits me into a regular flex, id have a conversation with him at the least. actually, i could guarantee that i would say okay these numbers looks great, but lets put a stiff flex in of the same shaft and see what the potential pros and cons are. hit the ball nearly as well and maybe you could lean that way, but if you start mistiming things, not being able to turn it over and dispersion worsens than you just answered all your questions.

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Good point. My bud liked the feel a ton. I think it was more mental that he didn’t want to play regular graphite; “that’s for old men,” may have been said more than once (his dad plays reg graphite...)

I had to have a sit down about what steel fibers really are.

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I get a little quick with lighter shafts in my short irons, so I am playing Modus 120s hardstepped right now. I've tried quite a few different shafts in the 95-110 category, experimenting with them as an option for a 4 driving iron, or even possibly into my 5 and 6 iron, but didnt find much I liked, except for the 105x and steelfiber 95s. A big fault of mine is probably swinging too hard. Not fast, but just aggressive and hard and these held up to it, but retained a smooth feel that I like.

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Just to offer another view, my 6 ss on Trackman was 88 mph and I definitely prefer the Steelfiber 95 in stiff. Have that shaft in a TM 770 head and it feels fine. Doesn’t feel any stiffer than a stiff shaft to me. Still hit it high. Stops on a dime. Of course I am coming from Project X Rifles and C Tapers so I am used to firm shafts and like them.

Being in the process of switching from steel, I find Steelfiber is a nice shaft for that transition. Yet I also think the KBS TGI shaft feels even better with that same stability, and low torque. In that one I fit into TGI 95. I would say your buddy is right on the reg vs stiff line in Steelfiber 95 and could play the one he likes better.

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I was fit recently. My swing speed was around 77mph with my own 7 iron. I was fit in to steel fiber 95 stiff which I was swinging at an average of 80.5.i have a very aggressive transition, but waa as amazed at the increase in swingspeed. I hit the mavrik Pro in the fitting and really enjoyed it. But it didn't gain me much from my i500, but it was more forgiving.

 

For me Epic Forged was a game changer. I don't hit the ball very far but do so with too much height and spin. You can say all you want about stronger lofts but I gained 19nyards on the 7 iron but added a ton of shot consistency and much improved dispersion. And they look good at address. The fitter didn't even hand me apex as he new it would launch too high.

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Guys... I really appreciate the responses... it took a minute to get everyone out of the woodwork, but your feedback has been so helpful to my buddy. He's been reading responses as they come in, but doesn't regular the forum.

AS AN UPDATE: I told him if he had any 2nd thoughts he should go to a big box store and hit the apex and MavPro so there was no possibility of second guessing. He went to PGA SuperStore today and hit them both. They weren't too busy so the guy in the Callaway bay let him hit a few shaft combos. He hit the Apex '19 and the Mavrik Pro with the Aerotech Steelfiber FC90 in stiff... and the DEFINITIVE winner was the Mavrik Pro. He called me excited and said that he felt the Apex was just barely softer on prefect strikes, but the Mavrik Pro was softer around the face, while still letting him know EXACTLY where he hit them.

The numbers were better on the Mavrik Pro too... averaged 2mph extra ball speed, with 1* more launch and 200rpm more spin on average. He couldn't be more convinced that his fitting was right for him.

The ONLY remaining question is i95 vs. 90FC. He loved the feel of both. I tried to read up and given his game I think the 90FC would benefit him a ton; its also slightly more true to flex, so he can go with stiff and be confident.

I'd love any input from you guys on the i95 vs. 90FC, but I also just want to thank everyone that helped me and my buddy nail down the perfect set.

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FC90 is a flighted shaft and plays truer to flex....matches you buds trackman stats much better than the i95 profile.

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6 iron 95 mph and play the mav pro with SF 110x hard stepped once. and love them. Ball speed/club speed was much higher with mav pro vs apex. and smash factor was higher as well, but consistently high so no jumpers or anything like that. really enjoying them so far, they go REALLY straight... like you have to change where your aiming straight lol

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He wanted and swung better with a lighter shaft. The numbers were honestly better with the steelfibers, and he planned on taking the fitting to order his own; he didn’t want/need the extra 50/club for puring.

‘He got the mav pros with the i90fc in stiff straight from Cally with the specs nailed and got 50% trade in bonus from his g700s (which was like 640!)

Hes about 8 rounds in and happy. His flight is a tad lower than he wanted, but his GIRs are up 12% almost right away. He’s great with the short irons, and very good with the mid irons. He never was great with long irons, but he’s better (let’s say much more consistent) with his 5i now than he was (he tended to slice the g700, with had stock lie vs his now 2* up) and his front to back dispersion is MUCH better on all. Luis. He seems very happy!

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Calloway Apex 4h - 23* - Rogue Silver 110msi X (or 4i)
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He did not hit the KBS...

He went thru the major players first... DG AMT (most like the AMT in his pings), Modus 105 was decent, Modus 120 wasnt, S200s were so-so, the guy handed him a i95 and he fell in love. It was his choice to stop demoing any others and they rolled with it. Today he fired an 83 with me... by far the best round of his life and he hit a ton of greens. So its apparently a win.

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Callaway Apex 3h - 20* - PX Catalyst 6.5 (or UDI)

Calloway Apex 4h - 23* - Rogue Silver 110msi X (or 4i)
PXG 0311p Gen 2 - 4-PW - Dynamic Gold AMT x100

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