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10 hours ago, Scyukon said:

I think you can buy the training video off Vimeo but i think it was around $300 US. How did you get the board without getting the video? I had only one choice when buying could not purchase board only but glad i got the video too certainly lays out the path to learning his swing it appears. Time will tell.

Marcus did a youtube live session where he answered a lot of questions re his teaching. Some of the stuff he talks about sounds like advertising mumbo jumbo, but I do feel that there is a lot of merit in finding your own rhythm and getting rid of all the external noise surrounding positions etc etc. This has certainly helped me a lot on the course.

 

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Very frustrated at the moment. Finally scratch out some time to start the exercises per the video, and the first time i try out my self repaired disk with the board, the magnet comes apart from the disk again. Check the tracking of the new disks - estimate April 28!

@##$&&*(())’!!!!!

 

so instead of repairing my swing, I’m off to the garage to try and repair my disk again. Tempted to drill a couple holes and countersink some screws but would probably end up cracking the entire disk.

 

I’m going to sand or Dremel off the excess glue this time. Not sure what the paper was in there for to begin with but it’s  going away before i give the superglue another chance.

 

i knew the day was going too well, lol.

 

 

 

 

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Thank god I found my dremel. Almost gave up and sat down to watch live from the masters. Would have taken years to scrape off the old glue and my superglue. It’s nice and scuffed now so hopefully holds better this time. Really would be nice to get going  with device so can report on my experience so others can benefit. Fingers crossed repair try 2 holds this time.

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34 minutes ago, Scyukon said:

Very frustrated at the moment. Finally scratch out some time to start the exercises per the video, and the first time i try out my self repaired disk with the board, the magnet comes apart from the disk again. Check the tracking of the new disks - estimate April 28!

@##$&&*(())’!!!!!

 

so instead of repairing my swing, I’m off to the garage to try and repair my disk again. Tempted to drill a couple holes and countersink some screws but would probably end up cracking the entire disk.

 

I’m going to sand or Dremel off the excess glue this time. Not sure what the paper was in there for to begin with but it’s  going away before i give the superglue another chance.

 

i knew the day was going too well, lol.

 

 

 

 

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7 minutes ago, Scyukon said:

Thanks I will do - just off to store now so will pick some up.

Since this is about golf - why not use epoxy?  Superglue only works if the surfaces fit well together - if there are variances in the surfaces you need something that can hold them together better - I would use epoxy that you would use to shaft golf clubs.

 

 

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6 minutes ago, ajlacombe said:

Since this is about golf - why not use epoxy?  Superglue only works if the surfaces fit well together - if there are variances in the surfaces you need something that can hold them together better - I would use epoxy that you would use to shaft golf clubs.

 

 

I will take that under advisement as well since I can’t make to the closest store that has gorilla adhesive spray before they close in 6 minutes. Time to watch my tape of Live at the Masters anyways lol.

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9 hours ago, ajlacombe said:

Since this is about golf - why not use epoxy?  Superglue only works if the surfaces fit well together - if there are variances in the surfaces you need something that can hold them together better - I would use epoxy that you would use to shaft golf clubs.

 

 

 

If you have club epoxy that's probably even better. 

 

I grabbed my Gorilla spray the other day because it was sitting there in front of me. My issue was with a SuperStroke counter weight. The weight part had come loose from the part that screws into the grip. Both parts are metal. I think the spray worked (it's pretty good stuff) but I also have clubmaking epoxy which would have been even better. 

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4 hours ago, me05501 said:

 

If you have club epoxy that's probably even better. 

 

I grabbed my Gorilla spray the other day because it was sitting there in front of me. My issue was with a SuperStroke counter weight. The weight part had come loose from the part that screws into the grip. Both parts are metal. I think the spray worked (it's pretty good stuff) but I also have clubmaking epoxy which would have been even better. 

Thanks. I don’t have clubmaking epoxy but I did a bit of research and will be going to pick some up later today. Thanks for the tips everyone.

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So far so good. Made it halfway through the video and my repaired disc is holding up. I’m the one that’s worn out already lol!
 So far my only suggestion for video improvements would be how many reps of each of the exercises should one do, and when is it logical to move on to the next exercise in the training sequence. I think I may sign into one of Marcus’s YouTube live sessions to inquire about this. But so far the movements to bring in the ground forces are not something I’ve ever tried in swinging the club before (but obviously are something that better golfers do in an efficient swing) so I am very excited to be starting to train my body to those feelings.

 

Anyways glad to finally be up and running with this training system. 

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I had a lesson (3 hours) with Marcus last August and it was superb. I’m a high handicapper having just over a year of playing time. I’d had some lessons before but my head was filled with swing thoughts and my body very tense. Marcus freed that up and I was hitting draws and fades for the first time after 5 balls and I put over 20 yds on pretty much every club.

 

I’ve had further lessons cancelled due to lockdowns but now booked in for September. I think the next available lessons are October now!!

 

On the course I’m much more confident, am hitting further and actually shaping the ball. Friends have been amazed at the transformation with just one lesson but I do feel I need more to progress. And my scores have come down around 10 shots but difficult to be exact because of the disruption due to lockdowns. The main thing is that I’m enjoying my golf.

 

I have bought the GRF board but not tried it yet do to a running injury. However I’ve watched the video and can visualise how it’ll feel to use it. Cant wait for my knee to heal so I can get on the board and on the course.

 

There’s good interaction with Marcus through his Instagram live sessions and also his YouTube live sessions. He answers questions about the board and how to use it. He’s also on Facebook (Students of Zen).

 

His style may not be for everyone, particularly if you’re looking for a more technical approach but for me he’s been great and I’d thoroughly recommend checking him out.

 

 

 

 

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38 minutes ago, ianr said:

I had a lesson (3 hours) with Marcus last August and it was superb. I’m a high handicapper having just over a year of playing time. I’d had some lessons before but my head was filled with swing thoughts and my body very tense. Marcus freed that up and I was hitting draws and fades for the first time after 5 balls and I put over 20 yds on pretty much every club.

 

I’ve had further lessons cancelled due to lockdowns but now booked in for September. I think the next available lessons are October now!!

 

On the course I’m much more confident, am hitting further and actually shaping the ball. Friends have been amazed at the transformation with just one lesson but I do feel I need more to progress. And my scores have come down around 10 shots but difficult to be exact because of the disruption due to lockdowns. The main thing is that I’m enjoying my golf.

 

I have bought the GRF board but not tried it yet do to a running injury. However I’ve watched the video and can visualise how it’ll feel to use it. Cant wait for my knee to heal so I can get on the board and on the course.

 

There’s good interaction with Marcus through his Instagram live sessions and also his YouTube live sessions. He answers questions about the board and how to use it. He’s also on Facebook (Students of Zen).

 

His style may not be for everyone, particularly if you’re looking for a more technical approach but for me he’s been great and I’d thoroughly recommend checking him out.

 

 

 

 

Right on thanks for the confirmation, inspires me to get down to the basement and continue training. Good luck with your injury recovery.

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On 9/1/2020 at 1:01 PM, AndersUK said:

My only concern is that some of the students now look like they sway way off the ball, leave the club behind them and then flip at impact to make contact?

I’ve already got that shot. 😁

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I just took a couple of videos from early days (2 days in) so I can see if starting to get some of the early rotation and whip. Will be interesting to compare to maybe a few weeks or month down the road to see how movements are (or are not) getting ingrained. As usual I’m impatient so had to hit some balls to see if working or not. Hit a few good 8 irons (the one in one video went 148) and one other I tried to film (but messed up) went 158. However most went 135ish so no real consistent gain yet but as always I want it all now and lack patience. Definitely felt like had more and earlier hip rotation on most swings though. Goats may eventually be safe. 😉 
 

For reference, I am 55, probably a 25-30 handicap (struggle to break 100 these days), at best was about a 10 76-83, but that was when 16 and playing twice a day (aka a long time ago).

 

After hitting balls i jumped ahead towards the drills at the end, which aim to blend together the 3 dimensional forces to result in a proper pivot. It sure would be great to have one of those force measuring boards that Marcus has. Watching the force line rotate about 60 degrees counterclockwise from right heel to right toe (and converse for left foot) in one of his free YouTube videos really hammered home the way that the forces should move. Having been a lateral slider for so long i think it is going to take a lot of drilling to ingrain a better movement. 

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I went to an outdoor range for the first time this year today and was very pleased with the results. Started off hooking pretty bad but experimented with more of a shift then rotate move and straightened out flight.

 

The biggest takeaway was my shots had a lot of zip. 5 irons were going 190-200 with good height. 7 irons 170+, 3 wood around 240, also with more height than i am used to. To be fair though, was hitting off mat and who knows how accurate the range markers are, so until i hit off grass (first round scheduled for Monday), I won’t have a feel for how much contact and distance has been improved.

 

i think all of the drills where you work on getting weight back onto right heel (and therefore get rear hip back - instead of front hip thrusting out while keeping rear hip in place, as shown in many of the useful videos shared in this forum eg athletic swing motion, mike malaska) are going to be a real game changer.

 

One other very encouraging sign is my back did not and does not hurt even after a large basket. This is big for me as have done a lot of damage in past chasing lag.

 

Fingers crossed it holds up Monday. I look forward to playing a round of golf hopefully, rather than a round of golf swing.

 

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106. But to be fair i had 45 putts (we can discuss the yips in another thread at another time). I had good contact throughout the day but was hooking like a madman, save for the odd straight push when i would allow for it.  Disappointed as thought could take range swing to course for a change. Time for some more drills then try again Friday....

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On 4/27/2021 at 3:56 AM, Scyukon said:

106. But to be fair i had 45 putts (we can discuss the yips in another thread at another time). I had good contact throughout the day but was hooking like a madman, save for the odd straight push when i would allow for it.  Disappointed as thought could take range swing to course for a change. Time for some more drills then try again Friday....

Hi mate, I'm just intrigued to find out how much you have progressed since using the board?

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On 7/12/2021 at 3:02 PM, nathanhtfc83 said:

Hi mate, I'm just intrigued to find out how much you have progressed since using the board?

I was progressing nicely but had to stop the ground force route as my 56 year old out of shape back would seize up 3 holes into the round. As I have commented in other posts my goal has changed from finding the extra distance to swinging pain free. 
 

I had a couple pain free rounds and sessions using the Venetos swing but was have issues with the 45 degree alignment to the right.

 

I went back to the Darrell Klassen hammer type swing last week and my ball striking took right off again. Narrowly missed a putt for 89, which was great as I had not broken 100 yet this year. Also was pain free. I was hitting 3 wood off the deck about 230 dead straight, and used same ball for 18 holes - whereas I had gone through 4 or 5 per round (or worse when not keeping score).

 

I may try and incorporate the zen board with the hammer type swing yet but for now the poor board is sitting in its case. I just think it’s for people with better backs than me.

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Not sure if this is allowed but if anyone is interested in buying the board and the stuff that comes with it search "Zen GRF" on ebay, I have one listed on the site. 

 

I'm only selling as I don't really use it and don't have much time to practice golf mainly just playing on the course these days.

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On 7/15/2021 at 4:10 AM, Scyukon said:

I was progressing nicely but had to stop the ground force route as my 56 year old out of shape back would seize up 3 holes into the round. As I have commented in other posts my goal has changed from finding the extra distance to swinging pain free. 
 

I had a couple pain free rounds and sessions using the Venetos swing but was have issues with the 45 degree alignment to the right.

 

I went back to the Darrell Klassen hammer type swing last week and my ball striking took right off again. Narrowly missed a putt for 89, which was great as I had not broken 100 yet this year. Also was pain free. I was hitting 3 wood off the deck about 230 dead straight, and used same ball for 18 holes - whereas I had gone through 4 or 5 per round (or worse when not keeping score).

 

I may try and incorporate the zen board with the hammer type swing yet but for now the poor board is sitting in its case. I just think it’s for people with better backs than me.

If your back is causing issues it maybe you are doing something wrong .

I think at least some of Marcus Bells ideas are based on Flowmotion golf (helps here if you speak French!)

Brian Sparks ..Easiest Swing is also similarly based. Or you could try Michael McTeigue Effortless Golf Swing book (+ videos of this on YouTube).

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On 7/30/2021 at 1:26 AM, Nickc said:

If your back is causing issues it maybe you are doing something wrong .

I think at least some of Marcus Bells ideas are based on Flowmotion golf (helps here if you speak French!)

Brian Sparks ..Easiest Swing is also similarly based. Or you could try Michael McTeigue Effortless Golf Swing book (+ videos of this on YouTube).

So about a month ago i went back to wood chopping swing advocated by Darrell Klassen. I had used this swing quite successfully 3 years ago but abandoned it in search of more distance. I also started playing each hole with bogey as my personal par and now I’m shooting 90-92 each time out, zero back pain, and playing rounds without losing a ball!

 

i just had to give up trying to hit my 8 iron 160, 9 iron 150, pw 135 etc like l used to 5 years ago, and accept that a good drive is 230 max (but in the fairway), and i hit 9 iron from 125.  If i can get my putting down to 36 putts or fewer, i will easily be in the middle 80s.

 

what i was doing wrong was trying to swing like i was 26 when with a goofy looking swing i could hit it 320 and break 80 at least a couple of times a year when the putter cooperated. Instead just trying to learn how to get better at “old man golf” where you chip and putt people to insanity.

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On 10/11/2020 at 10:59 AM, willbones said:

I've been down a similar path many years ago..... Kendal McWade and his 'Instinctive Golf'. Initially I thought it was amazing, and to a degree it did make golf more enjoyable.  But 3 months down the line, I ended up with a massive lateral slide and no turn. A month later, I could barely get round a course. The idea that the golf swing is a natural movement has never washed with me.  There is nothing particularly natural about the golf swing- standing to one side of the target line for one thing makes it pretty unnatural.   

This doesn't make sense. You basically regressed into a swing with no rotation. That's on you.

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On 8/18/2021 at 3:40 AM, MrHateCoffee said:

Seems like the hype with this swing method died down drastically.  Does Marcus even post new content?

 

I haven't bothered to use my homemade GRF board in months. 

 

I'm curious what the others in this thread wound up doing

new content all the time, lots of smiling faces.

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On 8/26/2021 at 10:43 AM, Dillan colleer said:

This doesn't make sense. You basically regressed into a swing with no rotation. That's on you.

Holy Thread resurrection Batman 🤣🤣.  My 'opinion' (incase u missed that bit), was that after an initial honeymoon period, the magic wore off and I ended up making what felt like a 'natural' move and ended up sliding like crazy and had very little rotation.  Thats how it was for me, and u suspect many others..... but people rarely call out the philosophy they've invested in. 

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