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Bumping this beautiful thread to the top.

 

Anyone know proper tip trimming for an OG Blue stiff?  I have a new, uncut one (it's beautiful) and I would like it to play true stiff.  To my knowledge, they were made for full-bore heads, so some extensive tipping is necessary for modern drivers... please correct me if I'm wrong.


I have a Reg flex, full insert into a 983k and it plays a bit softer than the Stiff I have in an MP-001.

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22 hours ago, JNewsted said:

Bumping this beautiful thread to the top.

 

Anyone know proper tip trimming for an OG Blue stiff?  I have a new, uncut one (it's beautiful) and I would like it to play true stiff.  To my knowledge, they were made for full-bore heads, so some extensive tipping is necessary for modern drivers... please correct me if I'm wrong.


I have a Reg flex, full insert into a 983k and it plays a bit softer than the Stiff I have in an MP-001.

 

 If I recall, these actually had a short "parallel tip section", which limited how much tipping was possible.  In general, I wouldn't tip it at all for a driver.

 

These were not designed specifically for bore through heads.  So when they were installed in one, they played stiffer than the stated flex.  For example, the 'S' would play at nearly an 'X' in a bore through

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27 minutes ago, Cwebb said:

 

 If I recall, these actually had a short "parallel tip section", which limited how much tipping was possible.  In general, I wouldn't tip it at all for a driver.

 

These were not designed specifically for bore through heads.  So when they were installed in one, they played stiffer than the stated flex.  For example, the 'S' would play at nearly an 'X' in a bore through

That was it!  I didn't have the story straight after 15 years.

 

Thanks - makes sense.

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On 5/13/2020 at 12:51 AM, A.Princey said:

Ok, I finally think I've found the perfect feeling shaft. A little late to the party given it's a decade+ old, but a tipped Graf Blue S and/or X is the most stable, only shaft I can go all out with and still hit fades. I've scoured eBay and now have like 6 Stiffs and 2 X-flex now, but finding them is not easy. The following clubs are the ones where you will most likely find them(still difficult though):

Ping Si3, Titleist 983K/E, TaylorMade R510,540,580, R7's, Mizuno Mp-001, Cleveland Launcher 400 & Launcher Comp.

Not a complete list, but this is what I've found that works. Not many left after my haul, however, lol!

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Waiting for a warranty SIM to arrive and assistant pro gave me an old Titleist 905S with a Graff Blue Stiff shaft. Boy that shaft is stable as ever. D6 swingweight with lead tape on the back toe side. It will not go left. Even has a skinny grip on it. I have to remember to not try to hit the fade because it does not pull. 288 frequency. Have to turn it over to hit it straight. Does not go as far as newer tech but still has plenty of pop. Now my 714mb soft stepped x100 irons at D3 SW feel like R200s. They are so over active in the tip now. Such an odd feeling in the zone. Wedges at D5 x100 just turn right over and no feeling in the zone. Quick flips. Odd odd feeling. Took my new Wishon 575MMC 6 iron with KBS 130X tip 1/8" at D3.5 SW Lamkin Crossline+  grip plus three wraps out to the range after the round and was flushing them. Would of put them in play today but club builder screwed up on the SW distribution. 9 iron D5.5 PW D4.5 7 iron D2(not happy right now to say the least). 

 

Going to put a TM tip in the Graff Blue and try it with the SIM 2 when it comes in.

 

Do you have any experience with the GBs in these newer tech heads? Any advice?

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On 5/13/2020 at 11:57 AM, grm24 said:

You remind me of somebody I know well that has hoarded a stash of NOS GD Purple Ice shafts! I didn't like the original Grafalloy Blue shaft. However I bought a tour issue LH TM R580XD TP driver from some WRX member that had a more playable Grafalloy Blue "Tour" 75 S driver shaft in it. Smoother than the OG Grafalloy Blue. Of course I sold it LOL!

Grafalloy Blue  Tour is one of few shafts where the Tour version is softer than the non Tour

 

 

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Came across this thread because I was looking for an OG Blue.  My holy grail driver has always been the SMT 455DB with a blue stiff jammed all the way into that deep bore, and I must attest that it is anti-left and longest combo I've ever hit to this day still.  Never ballooning and just the most beautiful penetrating mid/high flight.  So I picked up an 8 degree 455 that I'm going to strip and repaint and was trying to decide what to shaft it with.  Looks like I'll be on the lookout for the elusive OG Blue!

 

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if anyone would part with either a 60-70g version in x please let me know via PM...i have an experiment in mind. 

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Love that shaft, have a 70x in a HiBore XL Tour that comes out from time to time.

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On 5/27/2021 at 4:50 PM, JNewsted said:

Bumping this beautiful thread to the top.

 

Anyone know proper tip trimming for an OG Blue stiff?  I have a new, uncut one (it's beautiful) and I would like it to play true stiff.  To my knowledge, they were made for full-bore heads, so some extensive tipping is necessary for modern drivers... please correct me if I'm wrong.


I have a Reg flex, full insert into a 983k and it plays a bit softer than the Stiff I have in an MP-001.

Here are the tip trim instructions for the og blue. I found it cause I just got a shaft and wanted to make sure I was doing it right

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57 minutes ago, rorykoepka said:

Here are the tip trim instructions for the og blue. I found it cause I just got a shaft and wanted to make sure I was doing it right

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This chart has more details, and was used for ALL Grafalloy models made before 2009
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The later BLUE (White) is stronger, and designed for STANDARD bore to play like the OG BLUE as Through bore, or like the OG Blue is tip trimmed 1.25 in a standard bore

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6 minutes ago, Howard_Jones said:



This chart has more details, and was used for ALL Grafalloy models made before 2009
58946196_TrueTempertiptrimpre2009.JPG.3daa7cce0cdcebc2e130b4138e39cf7c.JPG

The later BLUE (White) is stronger, and designed for STANDARD bore to play like the OG BLUE as Through bore, or like the OG Blue is tip trimmed 1.25 in a standard bore

Much cleaner than my post 😂. Btw I ended up taking my 3 wood shaft that had a cracked tip and just made it a 5 wood shaft. Previous owner had only tipped it 1.25 inches in the 3 wood I pulled it from so it ended up working out where I cut another inch off the tip. Your 24.5 inch tip to graphic measurement was a life saver in figuring this out

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On 8/20/2021 at 10:59 AM, gioguy21 said:

if anyone would part with either a 60-70g version in x please let me know via PM...i have an experiment in mind. 

Dude.. you and your experiments.

I do have a tour issued Superquad and matching R7 steel 13*.. both with the blue shaft. Not X flex but marked TS. 

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I'm hoping someone on here can help me since a search on the web has been less than useful.  I just picked up a Graffaloy Blue Superlight X (didn't notice the 'superlight' until it arrived) and I was hoping someone could let me know what the difference is between this and the 'normal' Blue?  

 

Any idea on specs and weight?  

 

Any information would be extremely helpful!

 

 

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7 hours ago, noaces06 said:

I'm hoping someone on here can help me since a search on the web has been less than useful.  I just picked up a Graffaloy Blue Superlight X (didn't notice the 'superlight' until it arrived) and I was hoping someone could let me know what the difference is between this and the 'normal' Blue?  

 

Any idea on specs and weight?  

 

Any information would be extremely helpful!

 

 



Grafalloy Blue Superlite is 56 grams  and 57 grams .
Bend point is high. TQ is 4.0
(mentioned in GolfSmiths 2004 catalog, NOT on Grafalloys web)


The OG BLUE is 63 grams with a TQ of 2.8
it has a 90 gram "brother" as wood shaft, later also a 75 grams version thats was stiffer than the 63 gram.

BLUE TOUR is a 3 animal, a 70 gram shaft thats softer than the OG 63 gram version, and the TOUR has a TQ of 4.0

So, the BLUE was actually several models, or a model family of shafts.

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Grafalloy Blue Superlite is 56 grams  and 57 grams .
Bend point is high. TQ is 4.0
(mentioned in GolfSmiths 2004 catalog, NOT on Grafalloys web)


The OG BLUE is 63 grams with a TQ of 2.8
it has a 90 gram "brother" as wood shaft, later also a 75 grams version thats was stiffer than the 63 gram.

BLUE TOUR is a 3 animal, a 70 gram shaft thats softer than the OG 63 gram version, and the TOUR has a TQ of 4.0

So, the BLUE was actually several models, or a model family of shafts.

Thank you!

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Grafalloy Blue Superlite is 56 grams  and 57 grams .
Bend point is high. TQ is 4.0
(mentioned in GolfSmiths 2004 catalog, NOT on Grafalloys web)


The OG BLUE is 63 grams with a TQ of 2.8
it has a 90 gram "brother" as wood shaft, later also a 75 grams version thats was stiffer than the 63 gram.

BLUE TOUR is a 3 animal, a 70 gram shaft thats softer than the OG 63 gram version, and the TOUR has a TQ of 4.0

So, the BLUE was actually several models, or a model family of shafts.

@Howard_Jones - if I use the tipping chart that someone added earlier and tip this 1.25", how much would that effect the TQ? 

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On 9/28/2021 at 2:49 PM, noaces06 said:

@Howard_Jones - if I use the tipping chart that someone added earlier and tip this 1.25", how much would that effect the TQ? 


Compared to its original design, no change, since this is to equalize for hosel specs from bore trough to standard bore. Whats below the hosel top want flex, so all we did was to make the part of the shaft thats above the hosel as equal as possible, so if we put this clubs side by side, the shaft above the hosel will be very close to the same as this shaft was designed to play

In general going shorter = lower TQ, but thats a non issue, thats the nature of all shafts, but here we dont go shorter, we only equalize the tip side.

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I have one in a TM R580 that I caved the face in as a junior. Wasn't worth selling so it has been sitting for 15 years. 

 

Always wanted to put the shaft in a modern driver, but didn't think a .350 tip would fit into a modern .335 adapter. 

 

Any ideas? I would be for a TM driver. 

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On 9/17/2021 at 2:32 PM, Howard_Jones said:



This chart has more details, and was used for ALL Grafalloy models made before 2009
58946196_TrueTempertiptrimpre2009.JPG.3daa7cce0cdcebc2e130b4138e39cf7c.JPG

The later BLUE (White) is stronger, and designed for STANDARD bore to play like the OG BLUE as Through bore, or like the OG Blue is tip trimmed 1.25 in a standard bore

Hey Howard, a little off topic but does this also apply to the original Diamana whiteboard and blueboards too? Trying to figure out if those were also designed for through bore like the grafalloy blue

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8 minutes ago, rorykoepka said:

Hey Howard, a little off topic but does this also apply to the original Diamana whiteboard and blueboards too? Trying to figure out if those were also designed for through bore like the grafalloy blue


As far as i know, True Temper /Grafalloy NEVER made any of the DIAMANA models, they comes from another company, and i have no clue about what tip trim instructions they have or had, so you will have to look them up. Specs not found on their webpage now, can often be found at wayback

https://web.archive.org/web/20100515000000*/https://www.mca-golf.com

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