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I cant really say that I have ever purposely changed my swing. I will say that it is much shorter than it used to be.

 

I have also never changed my grip. I have been an interlock'er since I started playing. That is not to say my grip has not changed. I do find it creeping strong at times.

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That's pretty funny but sad as that was the case with me as well for many years. Finally quit doing that since going to the DeChambeau swing with the Jumbomax almost a year ago. Easiest way to play golf in MY opinion.

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I did pretty radically ~25 years ago (age 30) - I had always been a left to right player (started in my teens), and my shot had developed into a high, weak banana ball...ugh.

Worked a full year - strengthen grip, and change swing plane. Became a solid, slight draw player & gained 20-25 yds. Got my 'cap down to ~1.5 in my 30s...then my kids arrived, and shoulder surgery soon after.

Now I'm 55, swing is still usually pretty reliable, but I do get a terrible snap hook miss when my timing goes bad (the thing Hogan fought to eliminate from his game).

It's crazy, now I almost cannot hit a cut...the closest I can come is a high, right block...

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I've always been a 10 finger grip guy. Picked up golf late in life (40).

Swing philosophies and/or coaches I've chased:

Dalton McCrary Straight Shooting Golf

Natural Golf (Moe Norman)

Heard Super Swing (Moe Norman)

BGG Golf (Tom Sanders version of Moe Norman)

Graves Brothers (Moe Norman)

Kirk Junge (Moe Norman)

Peak Performance Golf (Don Trahan and Dave Seeman)

Jim Venetos Golf

Easiest Swing in Golf (Brian Sparks)

Over the last two years I seem to have finally settled in with Manual De Le Torre's swing style and philosophy.

I feel really comfortable with it. At 62, this is probably the swing I'll take into retirement!

 

 

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I started playing with weak and strong grips this weak for the first time really ever... I was interested to see how it changed ball flight and my swing... a fun little side experiment that I'll probably toy with on the range. Not sure it will ever see the light of the day on the golf course.

On the swing front... I mean it depends, I guess? What do you consider a swing change? If like most of my swing, but want my takeaway to be a little better and I change it, did I change my swing? It's a ship of Theseus type problem. (there's my BA in Philosophy showing off again...)

I have never completely overhauled my swing... never "unlearned" a swing and gone in a completely new or different direction. That sounds miserable... I've managed to jack up my swings in other ways, with multiple small changes... I'm currently diligently working on getting my path to the inside and keeping my back-swing "short".

I've modified my swing a ton over the years... I'd be interested to see my 18 year old swing vs my 22 year old swing (when I was playing my best golf) vs my current swing... No idea how different they would be.

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I don't know if there is a swing method or theory that I have not 'tried' in one form or another. For many years I would change grips and swings every round trying to find something that would work. Here is a list of stuff I can remember:

I've golfed with pretty much any grip you can think of. Here are a few:

Vardon, Reverse overlap, Double overlap, triple overlap, strong lead weak trail, strong lead strong trail, weak lead weak trail, weak lead strong trail, The Fork grip, any combination of the previous, cross handed, 10 finger, split grip, palm grip, cross handed.

Swing Methods:

Magic move. From the 70s I think left chest down and left chest up. Screwed me up for a number of years.

Square to Square book (Dick Altman).

Five Lessons (Ben Hogan).

Lessons from TGM teacher Doug Hofer

Ballards 7 common demoninators.

Automatic Golf (Bob Mann)

The Inner Game of Golf (Tim Galloway)

Lesson with Joe Findley body driven swing

Golf My Way by Jack Nicklaus

Sybervision Golf

The Model Swing computerized learning program (Ralph Mann / Fred Griffin). This actually produced some good golf for a short time.

My own version of Lee Trevino's swing.

Swing the clubhead by Earnest Jones, Manuel de la Torre, Frankel Brothers.

Understanding the Golf Swing (Manuel de la Torre)

Golf's One Motion (Ron and Arnie Frankel)

Peak Performance Golf Swing by Don Trahan.

Natural Golf

Graves Brothers version of Moe Norman swing

Lever Power Golf by Jack Kuykendal

The Heard Super Swing by Jerry Heard

Big Grip Golf by Tom Sanders

Ideal Mechanical Advantage (Scott Hazledine)

Straight Shooting Golf (Dalton McCrary on youtube)

Real Swing Golf (Ron Sisson video download)

Simple Swing (Joe Davidson video download)

Easiest Swing in Golf (Brian Sparks)

The Practice Manual (Adam Young) I took a video lesson with Adam also

Jim Venetos method

Stack and Tilt

Minimalist Golf Swing (kiran Kanwar)

Golf Swing Consruction 101 (Paul Bertholy)

Golf Swing of the Future (Mindy Blake)

Medicus Swing using several medicus clubs

Whippy Tempo Master (Drills with the Whippy)

Serious and failed attempt and maintaining spine angle through the swing.

Bobby Jones Swing (How I Play Golf and Breaking 90)

Golf Tec series of lessons (Worst lesson experience ever)

Biomechanically Correct Swing (Lessons with David Balbi)

Focus Band mental training

Swing the Handle (Eddie Merrins)

Upper core swing (Larry Rinker videos - Wright Balance)

Through all of these I have used wide stances, narrow stances, closed Stances and open stances, close to the ball and far from the ball, extreme hip bend and standing nearly straight up, good posture and bad posture with everything in between.

Combine with countless magazine tips and youtube videos and my own inventions and it has been a lot of fun over the years!

 

Through all of these I have used wide stances, narrow stances, closed Stances and open stances, close to the ball and far from the ball, extreme hip bend and standing nearly straight up, good posture and bad posture with everything in between.

Combine with countless magazine tips and youtube videos and my own inventions and it has been a lot of fun over the years!

 

 

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Wedge: 62 deg 10 deg bounce MacDaddy 4 C Grind (bent to 62 degrees from 60 degrees)
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On 6/13/2020 at 4:25 AM, Nels55 said:

I don't know if there is a swing method or theory that I have not 'tried' in one form or another. For many years I would change grips and swings every round trying to find something that would work. Here is a list of stuff I can remember:

I've golfed with pretty much any grip you can think of. Here are a few:

Vardon, Reverse overlap, Double overlap, triple overlap, strong lead weak trail, strong lead strong trail, weak lead weak trail, weak lead strong trail, The Fork grip, any combination of the previous, cross handed, 10 finger, split grip, palm grip, cross handed.

Swing Methods:

Magic move. From the 70s I think left chest down and left chest up. Screwed me up for a number of years.

Square to Square book (Dick Altman).

Five Lessons (Ben Hogan).

Lessons from TGM teacher Doug Hofer

Ballards 7 common demoninators.

Automatic Golf (Bob Mann)

The Inner Game of Golf (Tim Galloway)

Lesson with Joe Findley body driven swing

Golf My Way by Jack Nicklaus

Sybervision Golf

The Model Swing computerized learning program (Ralph Mann / Fred Griffin). This actually produced some good golf for a short time.

My own version of Lee Trevino's swing.

Swing the clubhead by Earnest Jones, Manuel de la Torre, Frankel Brothers.

Understanding the Golf Swing (Manuel de la Torre)

Golf's One Motion (Ron and Arnie Frankel)

Peak Performance Golf Swing by Don Trahan.

Natural Golf

Graves Brothers version of Moe Norman swing

Lever Power Golf by Jack Kuykendal

The Heard Super Swing by Jerry Heard

Big Grip Golf by Tom Sanders

Ideal Mechanical Advantage (Scott Hazledine)

Straight Shooting Golf (Dalton McCrary on youtube)

Real Swing Golf (Ron Sisson video download)

Simple Swing (Joe Davidson video download)

Easiest Swing in Golf (Brian Sparks)

The Practice Manual (Adam Young) I took a video lesson with Adam also

Jim Venetos method

Stack and Tilt

Minimalist Golf Swing (kiran Kanwar)

Golf Swing Consruction 101 (Paul Bertholy)

Golf Swing of the Future (Mindy Blake)

Medicus Swing using several medicus clubs

Whippy Tempo Master (Drills with the Whippy)

Serious and failed attempt and maintaining spine angle through the swing.

Bobby Jones Swing (How I Play Golf and Breaking 90)

Golf Tec series of lessons (Worst lesson experience ever)

Biomechanically Correct Swing (Lessons with David Balbi)

Focus Band mental training

Swing the Handle (Eddie Merrins)

Upper core swing (Larry Rinker videos - Wright Balance)

Through all of these I have used wide stances, narrow stances, closed Stances and open stances, close to the ball and far from the ball, extreme hip bend and standing nearly straight up, good posture and bad posture with everything in between.

Combine with countless magazine tips and youtube videos and my own inventions and it has been a lot of fun over the years!

 

Through all of these I have used wide stances, narrow stances, closed Stances and open stances, close to the ball and far from the ball, extreme hip bend and standing nearly straight up, good posture and bad posture with everything in between.

Combine with countless magazine tips and youtube videos and my own inventions and it has been a lot of fun over the years!

 

 


hi there, saw you mention Doug Hofer (in Bay Area, CA). He was recommended to me by another golf instructor, but I can’t seem to find any info on him.

 

How were your lessons with him? Would you recommend him? Trying to figure out if I should commit to 6 lessons as a complete beginner.

 

thanks! 

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2 hours ago, cargolf13 said:


hi there, saw you mention Doug Hofer (in Bay Area, CA). He was recommended to me by another golf instructor, but I can’t seem to find any info on him.

 

How were your lessons with him? Would you recommend him? Trying to figure out if I should commit to 6 lessons as a complete beginner.

 

thanks! 

I took lessons from Doug at Fairway Glenn in the early 80s.  The last that I heard he is no longer teaching golf.  

 

I do believe rather strongly that the best thing that you can do as a complete beginner is to take lessons.  I have noticed over the years that new golfers who take lessons right away tend to have much better swings then those who teach themselves.  LOL I wish that I had gotten lessons with I first learned to golf as a kid!  I would recommend Isaac Weintraub at Spring Hills in Watsonville.  Might be too far for you though?

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Wedge: 56 deg 10 deg bounce Jaws S Grind
Wedge: 62 deg 10 deg bounce MacDaddy 4 C Grind (bent to 62 degrees from 60 degrees)
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1 hour ago, Nels55 said:

I took lessons from Doug at Fairway Glenn in the early 80s.  The last that I heard he is no longer teaching golf.  

 

I do believe rather strongly that the best thing that you can do as a complete beginner is to take lessons.  I have noticed over the years that new golfers who take lessons right away tend to have much better swings then those who teach themselves.  LOL I wish that I had gotten lessons with I first learned to golf as a kid!  I would recommend Isaac Weintraub at Spring Hills in Watsonville.  Might be too far for you though?

I shot Doug an email and he said he’d be happy to teach me… now I’m a little skeptical if we’re talking about the same Doug haha! 
 

Definitely a little far, I’m in the San Jose area. 

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1 hour ago, cargolf13 said:

I shot Doug an email and he said he’d be happy to teach me… now I’m a little skeptical if we’re talking about the same Doug haha! 
 

Definitely a little far, I’m in the San Jose area. 

David Balbi in San Carlos is good and knows Doug Hofer really well.  Also Berne Finch at SJ Muni seems to be pretty good.  You can book lessons online with him.  I am sure that you will do well with whomever you end up with!  Definitely a good move to learn sound fundamentals starting out!  LOL I drove to San Jose every day for many many years it is not all that bad of a drive!  To get the most value out of lessons it is important to get as much practice in as you can between lessons...

Driver Maltby KE4 w Aeortech Steelfiber SS65 shaft 46.5”
3 wood Rogue subzero 15 degree with Paderson KG70 F30
Hybrids: 3, 4 and 5 Rogue with Steelfiber HLS980 shaft
Irons: 6 through wedge PXG 0311 with Steelfiber i110cw shaft
Wedge: 50 deg 10 deg bounce MacDaddy 4 S Grind
Wedge: 56 deg 10 deg bounce Jaws S Grind
Wedge: 62 deg 10 deg bounce MacDaddy 4 C Grind (bent to 62 degrees from 60 degrees)
Wedges with steelfiber i110 shafts.
Putter: Strokelab EXO 7; 39.25 inches; 77 degree lie angle; Takimac arthritic grip

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