Cameron Champ Covid 19

[smashdn]

And not many of those infected with chicken pox had as bad of underlying conditions.

I don't want to get too awful deep into this but I am responsible for safety at an essential manufacturing operation, my BIL is a nurse in the Covid ward at the regional hospital here and I know two people personally who have contracted and recovered from it. If you have an underlying health condition, especially obesity according to BIL, you are at a significantly higher risk of being symptomatic. Even with that the symptoms are very benign. Headache and body aches being reported and experienced most often.

It is a serious health consideration, just not unless you are aged or already sick or immune compromised.

[tw_focus]

Hope he recovers quickly and is back on the tour ASAP.

No need to cancel events over this, it's actually completely reasonable if 3-4 golfers come down with Corona every week. As more golfers get it, more will become immune. Obviously if 30-40 competitors come down with it on the same week then an event will need to be cancelled, but the tour will not be suspended or cancelled again. We're not in panic mode like in March, we're in test / contain / carry-on mode.

[bscinstnct]

 

 

Because “more” isn’t quantifiable or consistent, right? And it’s not in the context of the entire regional population being “all for one and one for all”, and everyone wearing a mask, distancing, and staying away from social gatherings as much as possible.

 

Here in NYC, we had an explosion of cases, as you know. But we all took it seriously, masked up, maintained discipline, and we crushed it. I’m actually proud of all of us.

 

That said, you guys can do what’s best for you. But try to be sure you’re not spreading it to vulnerable people. I think 35 percent of cases are asymptomatic so you can spread to a whole bunch of people and never know.

[BlackDiamondPar5]

Your last sentence, while there is partial truth, is NOT absolute. There are people with no underlying health conditions whom get very sick and some die. There are many more whom "recover" but "recover" only means no more active virus. It does not count those left with long term complications like lung damage, stroke etc.

 

 

[nsxguy]

First things first.

If you haven't already heard, Graeme McDowell's CADDIE AND Brooks Koepka's CADDIE have both tested positive so both players are OUT.

[DavePelz4]

If you look at the numbers, California announced 5,091 new cases on June 22 and the PGA Championship is about 6 weeks away. I'm sure the pros and the Tour is paying close attention to that. Today, Florida announced another record of 5,508 new cases. Texas announced over 5,000 new cases. Think of not just those infected but all of the people they've been in touch with who are now potentially exposed. Not trying to be an alarmist but a realist as we've seen what this virus can do to people of all ages, underlying conditions or not. For every great story of someone 105 years old recovering, there's a sad story of a 22 year old losing their lives. We've seen it on our team as parents have lost their kids and nothing is sadder than that.

Bottom line, protect yourself and wash your hands. Off the soapbox now.

[smashdn]

I stand by my word choice. The likelihood is on par with a stroke or brain bleed for a young person. I don't take extra precautions with regard to those diseases/conditions. Not out of the question but of such rarity that it is not reasonable to worry with it.

This is just information for anyone to digest and make your own conclusions but it comes from the CDC. https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/planning-scenarios.html Scenario 5 is based upon actual data from the start of this up to 4/29/2020. I don't know why they have not updated it but I wish they would. 35% of positive cases are asymptomatic. Of the cases that are symptomatic it shows the percentages that require hospitilazation and result in fatalities. Compare those rates to things like heart disease, car accidents and lightning strikes and it paints a nice picture.

To keep it golf related I have found that I really like putting to the upside down cups. I don't have to bend near as far to get the ball from the cup. I hope that change sticks and stays going forward.

[nsxguy]

There are a number of posts I could reply to but this one seems about right.

97% recovery rate ? Sounds impressive to you ? So a 3% death rate then ? Given the flu has about a .2% death rate your 3% is "only" 15 times that of the flu. That's not so bad ? Or how about 120K deaths in the U.S. vs. 40K per year for the flu ? "Only" 3 times as many,,,,,,,,,, disregarding the fact that CV-19 has only been around the USA for about 3 MONTHS. So "only" 12 times that of the flu ?

Oh, wait. Unlike the flu there has been a tremendous effort to mitigate the CV-19 numbers; almost shutting down the world's largest economy. Have to wonder what those numbers would look like if nothing had been done.

Disappeared in Italy and UK ? Not exactly. They're doing a lot better but disappeared ? Not hardly.

So with all these recovered people and all those still getting it, we're essentially OK, yes ?

How about this ? I FIRST ( & I've been paying a fair bit of attention in the last 3 months) heard something about this from a specialist(?) on TV. He was postulating about the long-term effects of even being asymptomatic and never developing ANY symptoms and how it might affect an individual MANY YEARS later.

So I looked it up. Surprisingly(?), I couldn't find a whole lot on it but I did find this from the LA Times a couple of MONTHS ago."Another question that could take years to answer is whether the SARS-CoV-2 virus that causes COVID-19 may lie dormant in the body for years and spring back later in different form.It wouldn’t be the first virus to behave that way. After a chicken pox infection, for instance, the herpes virus that causes the illness hides quietly for decades and often emerges as the painful affliction shingles. The virus that causes hepatitis B can sow the seeds of liver cancer years later. And in the months after the West African Ebola epidemic subsided in 2016, the virus responsible for that illness was found to have taken up residence in the vitreous fluid of some of its victims’ eyes, causing blindness or vision impairment in 40% of those affected."

If anyone would like to read the whole LA Times article it's here. https://www.latimes.com/science/story/2020-04-10/coronavirus-infection-can-do-lasting-damage-to-the-heart-liver

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[Krt22]

For what its worth, most of those new cases are not in the immediate bay area. The big spikes are in so cal and a lot of the counties that had more lax social distance requirements.

Between Memorial day, graduation ceremonies, and all the protests, its no wonder we are seeing an uptick.

[dmecca2]

Surprised that Brooks Caddie tested positive. In his presser earlier this week he said that he has no concerns about getting the virus at all because himself and his entire team are completely quarantined. The only person let out is the cook for food. Some contact tracing needs to be done there because with the limited amount of people they are contacting, they may be able to find a source.

Another thing to think about is the possibility of false positives. The tests themselves are not completely accurate and I wonder if the tour has a plan in place if a player or caddie believes they falsely tested positive.

[Krt22]

He played with Gmac, who's caddie also tested positive. Not a big surprise

[dmecca2]

Didnt know that. makes sense then

[mokedaddy]

According to an article on ESPN the two caddies both attended a funeral of a mutual friend on June 15.

[DFS PFD]

Cases will continue to climb, COVID-19 isn't going anywhere. We can get a vaccine, who knows how effective it will actually be (Flu vaccine anyone), but we need to continue with life in a responsible manner. No spectator golf is good, masks at indoor public spaces are fine, but we really need to re-evaluate general health guidelines. Numbers of people in this country that are obese, pre-diabetic, diabetic, and suffering from other entirely preventable nutrition/exercise related "illnesses" needs to be addressed. Hopefully the Tour will carry on in a responsible manner, frequent testing, isolating and tracing positive tests, etc. And survival rate appears to be closer to 99.6% but there's so much political slant in the way numbers are reported by both sides that who really knows up from down.

 

Stay healthy,

[oikos1]

"Regarding golf, I think this played out exactly the way they wanted a positive test case to play out. The test worked and he was isolated."

 

Wrong. The test did not work. That's why he played on Thursday. He could've kept playing but took it upon himself to be retested. Believing something is working when it isn't is part of the problem. Now two caddies have it and two players have withdrawn. The PGA Tour is most certainly re-evaluating their procedures.

"Watney, who tested positive for the coronavirus on Friday and withdrew from the tournament, relayed to Rory McIlroy via a text that an elevated respiratory rate via that band first told him "maybe I could have it.''"And so Watney, 39, conveyed that to tour officials, consulted a physician, took another COVID-19 test -- he was negative for the one he took on Tuesday -- and then awaited the results at the course, while going about his business to prepare for the second round of the tournament.""It's crazy to say, but (without) his Whoop device we could have been screwed right now because he could have played the rest of the week and ended up contaminating or infecting many other people," Justin Thomas said Wednesday.

[dmecca2]

Looks like they are correcting this problem. Whoop straps for everyone and addressing that Cam Champ broke the rules. I'm reading he will probably be suspended.

[Krt22]

What did he do?

 

[dmecca2]

I'm reading on twitter that after his test he violated a well known policy and visited the physio before getting his results. Now there probably should be check-marks in place like, "hey you need the green sticker to get into this area," but with the skeleton crew the tour currently has working, a lot of responsibility was placed on the players, which is why he may be suspended.

[MMB1500]

"UK is struggling with vaccine testing because they are running out of patients as it disappear there?"

WTF? I'm not sure where you get your information but you are badly, jaw-droppingly ill-informed. The UK has been an utter disaster. 65,000+ dead, still averaging 150-200 deaths per day, R rate increasing in numerous areas. Forget the second wave, they are still deep in the first and it has far from disappeared. The opposite in fact.

Maybe it's time to step out of the echo chamber and find some more reliable information sources.

[oikos1]

Yes, they most likely will constantly be tweaking the guidelines. As they should. A glaring flaw in their system was exposed as the testing procedure clearly did not protect the field, which is the whole point of what they are trying to do. They're lucky Watney took it upon himself to retest. That may not always be the case if a player is feeling "ill" but finds themselves in contention on a Saturday.

[pacifictour]

I’m still trying to figure out why caddies, coaches and other people besides players need to be there?

 

carts or push carts

video remote coaching

cut the risk numbers significantly

[mocokid]

PGA tour going for early herd immunity.

[tiderider]

were you on the soapbox for 20 seconds? ...

[mocokid]

That's what I want to know ??? Mum on the subject, except Watney's playing partners no have covid.

[golfortennis]

Coaches I agree. You do need some people to run the tournament, and if you want to watch it....

Caddies.... I'm torn, but it would be interesting to see if Seminole was a bit of a light into what some players can do(or not do) without another guy's eyes.

[tiderider]

a reasonable statement that has no place in today's public discourse ... none whatsoever ... please rephrase with inflammatory rhetoric based off political ideology and emotion ... tia ...

[GoGoErky]

When you compare the number of confirmed cases vs deaths then yes 3% seems like a lot. However if you look at what cdc puts out the death rate is no different than the flu at anywhere from .1-.4%

nobody shut anything down for the Hong Kong flu in 1969 that killed over a million worldwide and 100k in the states and not long after the peak Woodstock was held

[DavePelz4]

Our team would say I've been on the PPE/Social Distancing/Stay at Home/Wash your hands soapbox for almost 4 months. You get tired of saying the same thing over and over and you know they're tired of hearing the same thing over and over.

[Smada962]

"Numbers of people in this country that are obese, pre-diabetic, diabetic, and suffering from other entirely preventable nutrition/exercise related "illnesses" needs to be addressed"

 

One thought I've had throughout this pandemic is hopefully this would cause more people in this country to wake up and realize how dangerous obesity and a poor diet can be, but sadly I doubt that will be the case.

[GoGoErky]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/news.sky.com/story/amp/coronavirus-disappearing-so-fast-oxford-vaccine-has-only-50-chance-of-working-11993739