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Hello all, I'm brand new here. I am looking to get fitted for a new set of irons. I really like the looks and idea of blades, but I am a high handicap player and that points me to game improvement irons. Currently I hit a Ray Cook set that came with every club you need, and was about 200 bucks new. So I feel like getting higher quality clubs will be helpful no matter what they are.

 

If it helps at all I'm 24 years old, about 6 feet tall. Hit my 8 iron about 170 yards.

Will I be okay getting a set of blades like the Titleist 620 MB? Or should I really look or some more forgiving cavity back irons?

Thanks for any advice!

 

Will also be upgrading my driver and wood, but after I get irons.

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Two things to consider:

Irons that fit your gameIrons that you likeIf you hit your 8i 170 yards, you have some power in your swing. So, game improvement clubs would be a good choice, since you have the clubhead speed to help get the ball launched. But if your are "high HDCP" - please tell us how high - stay away from blades/Players clubs.

All the major manufacturers make great equipment these days. You just need to find clubs that you like, and that fit your game. Besides the heads, there's the shafts. You want a head + shaft combination that gives you a balance of distance and control.

By clubs you like, this comes into play in initial sorting and final choice. Let's say you have Trackman performance data that's a virtual tie between Titleist X iron and Callaway Y iron. You would go with the one that gives you the most confidence when standing over the ball. If you don't like and trust your irons, they won't work very well for you.

A caution on blades. They have payoff performance for those with a precise swing, assuming they have enough time to work on their game to keep their swing precise. But, they are very unforgiving on days when your swing is off. I have met former college players who once played scratch golf with blades. Ten years later, they play GI irons because they don't have time to keep their swings "blade ready." But, they make a lot of pars because the GIs get them close enough to score well.

Basic rule from a former golf instructor of mine: Get clubs for the swing you have today, not the one you hope to have next year.

P.S. Be sure to get fitted. Also, a tune-up lesson can help you locate any swing flaws before you get fitted for new irons.

What's In The Bag (Summary as of October 2020)

 

Driver:  Tour Edge EXS 10.5°, weights neutral   ||  FWs:  Calla Rogue 4W + 7W

Hybrid:  Calla Big Bertha OS 4H at 22°  ||  Irons:  Tour Edge CB Pro Tungsten 4i-9i

Wedges*:  Calla MD3: 48°... MD4: 54°, 58° ||  Putter: Ping Sigma G Tyne (face-balanced) + Evnroll Gravity Grip

Ball: Calla SuperHot (Orange preferred)  ||  Bag: Sun Mountain Three 5 stand bag

For details see:  Pending (need protocol to embed file list).

     * MD4 54°/10 S-Grind replaced MD3 54°/12 W-Grind.

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Thank you very much, and my handicap is around 18. I'll definitely take your advice and go to a good pro shop, get fitted and see what works the best for me. I should really put some money towards lessons on putting and driving, as that is where I mess up. Reason I'm looking at new irons is that is by far the best part of my game, so wanted to get decent ones.

 

Thanks again, couldn't have asked for a better answer.

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Go with irons, and then -as you say - get a good driver. Lessons + fitted No. 1 wood will get you fairway + distance.

Short game definitely important - a bad short game will keep you from scoring.

BUT - good iron shots from the fairway will get you in there for two-putt pars - or chance for up-and-down par or a bogie.

Fairway drive + decent iron shots = progress!

Sounds like you're on right track!

What's In The Bag (Summary as of October 2020)

 

Driver:  Tour Edge EXS 10.5°, weights neutral   ||  FWs:  Calla Rogue 4W + 7W

Hybrid:  Calla Big Bertha OS 4H at 22°  ||  Irons:  Tour Edge CB Pro Tungsten 4i-9i

Wedges*:  Calla MD3: 48°... MD4: 54°, 58° ||  Putter: Ping Sigma G Tyne (face-balanced) + Evnroll Gravity Grip

Ball: Calla SuperHot (Orange preferred)  ||  Bag: Sun Mountain Three 5 stand bag

For details see:  Pending (need protocol to embed file list).

     * MD4 54°/10 S-Grind replaced MD3 54°/12 W-Grind.

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Ray Cook has been making good-value putters and wedges for years. Got to see the Ray Cook booth and talk to his people at 2016 PGA Merchandise Show in Orlando.

image.pngAlternate opinion: Putting and short-game lessons ever so often are useful.

What's In The Bag (Summary as of October 2020)

 

Driver:  Tour Edge EXS 10.5°, weights neutral   ||  FWs:  Calla Rogue 4W + 7W

Hybrid:  Calla Big Bertha OS 4H at 22°  ||  Irons:  Tour Edge CB Pro Tungsten 4i-9i

Wedges*:  Calla MD3: 48°... MD4: 54°, 58° ||  Putter: Ping Sigma G Tyne (face-balanced) + Evnroll Gravity Grip

Ball: Calla SuperHot (Orange preferred)  ||  Bag: Sun Mountain Three 5 stand bag

For details see:  Pending (need protocol to embed file list).

     * MD4 54°/10 S-Grind replaced MD3 54°/12 W-Grind.

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I’m a 8 handicap and played blades for many years. They’re not for everyone. Even I still love the look of them, I don’t think I’ll ever play another set of them. There are many clubs with blade-like qualities that are cavity backs that offer more forgiveness. If you’re an 18 handicap, blades don’t make much sense. Blades are made for players who like to work the ball and are pure ball strikers. The sweet spot is dime sized and the club has very little offset. Anything not struck pure and you’re not only going to hit it left or right, but also lose plenty of distance. Not exactly ideal if you’re looking to play better. If you like the aesthetics of a blade, there are options without going to a pure blade. Mizuno HMB is a great feeling set. Wilson FG Tour V6 is another set. If you’re going to spend the money, then I suggest you get fitted. A golf fitter can get you into the best clubs and shafts to help optimize your game.

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I've seen their wedges and putters for... like forever. This thread, however, is the first I have heard of their boxed sets.

RockBottom Golf evidently carries the boxed sets.

What's In The Bag (Summary as of October 2020)

 

Driver:  Tour Edge EXS 10.5°, weights neutral   ||  FWs:  Calla Rogue 4W + 7W

Hybrid:  Calla Big Bertha OS 4H at 22°  ||  Irons:  Tour Edge CB Pro Tungsten 4i-9i

Wedges*:  Calla MD3: 48°... MD4: 54°, 58° ||  Putter: Ping Sigma G Tyne (face-balanced) + Evnroll Gravity Grip

Ball: Calla SuperHot (Orange preferred)  ||  Bag: Sun Mountain Three 5 stand bag

For details see:  Pending (need protocol to embed file list).

     * MD4 54°/10 S-Grind replaced MD3 54°/12 W-Grind.

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A word of caution on the blades vs non-blade responses... both sides of that fight are passionate about what they believe and they've been arguing with each other for years.

You are going to get fit, so try some blades while you are in there... if you like a certain profile, tell the fitter what you like and hopefully he can find something that suits your eye and your swing.... Just make sure to get something you are comfortable swinging! Make sure you try different shaft options, but if you have a good fitter, he should be able to find what's right for you.

Let us know what you get!

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When you say you hit your 8 iron 170y, are you talking about total distance on the driving range? Or how far the ball carries in the air before landing? And how often do you hit that number? In other words, if you had to hit the ball 170y over a water hazard, would you pull 8 iron or something else? When you’re using distances on the golf course, it’s most important to know your carry numbers with the ball you play. (Ok, it’s also important to play the same ball all the time) If you don’t already have one, invest in a laser range finder, gps device, or phone app that gives you distances on the course.

Another elephant in the room: we don’t know anything about the specs of the Ray Cook full set. Let’s assume it’s a 34-35° oversized cast cavity back 8 iron with “a huge sweet spot.” Cheaply made irons of this type have hot spots, making distance control a real challenge. A higher quality iron set should reduce or eliminate this problem. Most of us also have an inconsistent strike pattern, so a good fit for irons should first and foremost look to help you hit the middle of the face more consistently. If you don’t know or can’t tell where you’re missing, get some impact stickers & hit the range. Good luck!

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Callaway 2018 X-Forged 5i-7i / Apex MB 8i-PW Modus 120

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Play whatever you want if scores don’t matter to you. If they do matter I wouldn’t play blades.

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Jbrunk, if I'm trying to get the ball to sit on a 170-175 yard par 3, I'll grab the 8 iron. It carrys about 170. That's very consistent for me as well as hitting it straight. I am not sure what the club angles are, but on this set they definitely look stronger than my old set I used to use. My current pitching wedge looks like my old 9 iron etc.

I've been going back and forth between the pro V1, TP5, and chrome soft for balls.

I realize agree posting this that saying I'm a high handicap player and asking about which clubs doesnt make sense if I dont say what im good at and where I add up a lot of strokes.

I'll add to this thread when I get fitted and what I go with. Thinking my first agenda will be getting a putter I like and some putting practice/lessons.

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The way I see it, if you are playing against me I want you in a set of blades. If your on my team I would want you in a set of ping i210 or some similar set.

180 8 irons really speak to some promise, with a few lessons you’ll be dangerous to your opponent’s wallets.

 

 

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One of the reasons to get fit would be that the G410 irons could be the best fit right now. But maybe AP2 or Ping i210 would be a better fit. That's why the OP needs to hit a few different models to determine what works, and what he wants to look at.

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I you can hit the sweet spot on a set of blades 90% of the time then go right ahead, but since you are a "high" handicap, then GI or SGI should be best for you. Either way, get rid of the boxed set of clubs as they will fall apart on you after a few years. A good quality set from a major OEM will last you a lifetime, especially if the irons are cast.

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Titleist 990 (3-PW) with stock Dynamic Gold in S300
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"Loft for loft, length for length, and shaft for shaft, the ball will go the same distance when hit on the sweet spot regardless how old the iron."

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