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22 hours ago, jons1 said:

 

Yes, it goes head to head with balls like the Callaway Chrome Soft and the Bridgestone BRX.... but the ball speeds of the Tour Speed are higher than any of those balls... so it goes further.  Also, it might be a little better around the greens spin wise. 

What have you seen ball speed with this ball compared to the Pro V1?

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On 9/3/2020 at 4:16 PM, jons1 said:

 

Yes, it goes head to head with balls like the Callaway Chrome Soft and the Bridgestone BRX.... but the ball speeds of the Tour Speed are higher than any of those balls... so it goes further.  Also, it might be a little better around the greens spin wise. 

 

I have not seen ball speed data for The TourSpeed vs. the new CS and BRX...please post for the community.

 

Also, ball speed is not the only factor in determining carry distance. Launch angle, back spin, and side spin are the other major components. For example, in the Today's Golfer test the Z-Star VX was the fastest ball for 100mph driver speed but it's carry distance was below average by a faction....Some of the softer and slower balls (ERC, Prj A, Duo, B RX) traveled further than the Z-Star VX even though they were slower off the club face.

 

The Today's Golfer robot test probably debunked a couple of the MYG** robot test "takeaways" (I'm thinking #3 and #4) listed in the beginning of their article.

 

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On 9/6/2020 at 1:53 PM, rwbloom93 said:

 

I have not seen ball speed data for The TourSpeed vs. the new CS and BRX...please post for the community.

 

Also, ball speed is not the only factor in determining carry distance. Launch angle, back spin, and side spin are the other major components. For example, in the Today's Golfer test the Z-Star VX was the fastest ball for 100mph driver speed but it's carry distance was below average by a faction....Some of the softer and slower balls (ERC, Prj A, Duo, B RX) traveled further than the Z-Star VX even though they were slower off the club face.

 

The Today's Golfer robot test probably debunked a couple of the MYG** robot test "takeaways" (I'm thinking #3 and #4) listed in the beginning of their article.

 

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I am as leery as the next person of the M.G.S. habit of creating click-bait hype that goes far beyond their actual data. But how does one online-media robot test and editorializing "debunk" another online-media robot test and editorializing?

 

Today's Golfer rented a robot, hit a bunch of balls and boiled it down to a few subjective "takes" on the results. M.G.S. rented a robot, hit a bunch of balls and boiled it down to some very different "takes" on their results. Neither of them is exactly Moses coming down from the mountain with ball recommendations written on stone.

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4 hours ago, cardia10 said:

The RIck Shiels You Tube testing was interesting and showed the tour speed to be 3rd on the list of 4 balls tried in terms of speed and distance. I guess you can manipulate data to say what you want by changing the variables to fit your marketing ploy. 

That's true, but he prefaced that with the fact that titleist's claims were based on a very specific ball speed which was 140 MPH or a mid speed golfer I would guess. I watched his review and I thought he was extremely honest with the fact the ball is not made for his swing speed or numbers which is why he likely didn't get the performance.

 

Not enough people read into claims of ball makers or even club manufactures and understand that they don't blanketly apply across the board. This ball performs better than all the rest in a specific window. Not sure why I would make a blanket claim as a marketer based on that but they seem to it alot.

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On 9/15/2020 at 5:59 AM, North Butte said:

I am as leery as the next person of the M.G.S. habit of creating click-bait hype that goes far beyond their actual data. But how does one online-media robot test and editorializing "debunk" another online-media robot test and editorializing?

 

 

One testing organization created a list of 6 takeaways based on their robot results. A second test, by a different organization, revealed results that conflict with some of that data, and therefore, takeaways (i.e. #3 and #4) from the first organization.  It can then be said #3 and #4 are not accurate "takeaways" in the eyes of the golfing public in general.

 

I suppose organization #1 can refuse to except the results of organization #2 (that's fine) but as consumers of golf information, the general public likely doesn't favor one organization or the other....They simply see two conflicting robot tests which do not allow for a "takeaway" or conclusion.

 

Hope that makes sense...

 

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On 9/15/2020 at 12:18 PM, Flip4000 said:

That's true, but he prefaced that with the fact that titleist's claims were based on a very specific ball speed which was 140 MPH or a mid speed golfer I would guess. I watched his review and I thought he was extremely honest with the fact the ball is not made for his swing speed or numbers which is why he likely didn't get the performance.

 

 

Yes, it appears Titleist has created a "tour" level ball for the average swing speed golfer(93 mph...assuming a smash factor of roughly 1.5).  The durability test gave credibility to the posters in this thread that reported above average cover damage from this ball.

 

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1 hour ago, rwbloom93 said:

 

One testing organization created a list of 6 takeaways based on their robot results. A second test, by a different organization, revealed results that conflict with some of that data, and therefore, takeaways (i.e. #3 and #4) from the first organization.  It can then be said #3 and #4 are not accurate "takeaways" in the eyes of the golfing public in general.

 

I suppose organization #1 can refuse to except the results of organization #2 (that's fine) but as consumers of golf information, the general public likely doesn't favor one organization or the other....They simply see two conflicting robot tests which do not allow for a "takeaway" or conclusion.

 

Hope that makes sense...

 

Regards

 

 

I see two organizations competing for page views. They each hit a bunch of balls with robots and then concoct narratives around the results they think will interest their target demographic. The golfing public will see what they want to see and believe what they want to believe, as always. 

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On 9/16/2020 at 8:05 PM, North Butte said:

I see two organizations competing for page views. They each hit a bunch of balls with robots and then concoct narratives around the results they think will interest their target demographic. The golfing public will see what they want to see and believe what they want to believe, as always. 

 

What narrative did Today's golfer concoct?

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Whatever balls it was they said were "longest" or "most consistent" or whatever. You know, all the blah-blah-blah, the stuff besides the numbers. I didn't pay attention to blah-blah-blah, just skimmed through the actual results. 

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19 minutes ago, North Butte said:

Whatever balls it was they said were "longest" or "most consistent" or whatever. You know, all the blah-blah-blah, the stuff besides the numbers. I didn't pay attention to blah-blah-blah, just skimmed through the actual results. 

 

Their article doesn't really have declarative statements like M>S<G...if you simply skim the data from both Robot tests you'll see some significant contradictions in results.  Why?  As far as I can tell the only difference is the club in the robot's "hands"....but maybe the angles of impact were different, either way, two robots swinging at the same speeds (85 and 115 mph with consistent impacts) produced very different data in some instances.  If robots can produce varying data between balls, how much varying data do you think is produced with each of our unique swings? That's why I thought MMSGG "takeaways" were a big stretch last summer.

 

What is longer for you, is not necessarily longer for me, what spins more for me does not necessarily spin more for you, etc...all because we have different swings and use different clubs....That's my takeaway from the robot tests.

 

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Picked a sleeve of these up on Sunday to try, and compared to a Pro V1x and EXP-01 just to get an idea of where it sat. Looking at the Titleist blurb I don't think it's entirely suited to me, as I am up about 155 - 160 mph so it felt a little soft off the driver compared to the Pro V1x. I did like the feel off the irons and it certainly traveled a similar distance to the Pro V1x, seemed pretty good round the greens on the 9 holes I used it for.

 

The one bit of feedback I do find interesting is on durability - after playing with it for 9 holes, it looked pretty much brand new when I unceremoniously smashed into some trees never to see it again. I did find the EXP-01 to cut quite easily, but didn't have thew same issue with the Tour Speed. If anything it held up better than the Pro V1x I'd used the day before, albeit at a different course. Definitely seemed more durable that the Tour B XS I was using earlier in the season.

 

Don't think it will kick out what's left of my RZN Collection or the Pro V1x as my choice for competitive rounds, but seems more than acceptable for social golf. Could do with being about £5 less for a dozen, but hey it's Titleist. 

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35 minutes ago, bodhi555 said:

Picked a sleeve of these up on Sunday to try, and compared to a Pro V1x and EXP-01 just to get an idea of where it sat. Looking at the Titleist blurb I don't think it's entirely suited to me, as I am up about 155 - 160 mph so it felt a little soft off the driver compared to the Pro V1x. I did like the feel off the irons and it certainly traveled a similar distance to the Pro V1x, seemed pretty good round the greens on the 9 holes I used it for.

 

The one bit of feedback I do find interesting is on durability - after playing with it for 9 holes, it looked pretty much brand new when I unceremoniously smashed into some trees never to see it again. I did find the EXP-01 to cut quite easily, but didn't have thew same issue with the Tour Speed. If anything it held up better than the Pro V1x I'd used the day before, albeit at a different course. Definitely seemed more durable that the Tour B XS I was using earlier in the season.

 

Don't think it will kick out what's left of my RZN Collection or the Pro V1x as my choice for competitive rounds, but seems more than acceptable for social golf. Could do with being about £5 less for a dozen, but hey it's Titleist. 

only curious, Tour Speed is the EXP-01, why you compared? was there any difference?? 

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2 minutes ago, monks66 said:

only curious, Tour Speed is the EXP-01, why you compared? was there any difference?? 

 

I'd heard the Tour Speed was the "Retail" version of the EXP-01, so just wanted to see if there were any huge differences. In performance there were none, both balls were broadly similar. Big difference for me was durability - my VR Pros have fairly aggressive grooves so can chew balls up quite badly at times (Tour B XS I'm looking at you) and I did notice a similar issue with the EXP-01 - none so far with the Tour Speed however.

 

If I can make one last more than 9 holes without losing it in the cabbage I will report back ?

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Interesting thread. I played the TS in a round the other day. I wasn't expecting much, particularly since it was cold and windy. But I have to say I like this ball quite a bit. I think it was longer that my Bridgestone B RX with driver, and it was really good off the irons. Very very good in the wind for me. I would guess the trajectory was slightly lower. Overall it was good enough that I may buy some now to try out. It's funny reading this thread--I really didn't find many of the things that were discussed over and over here. TEHO I guess.

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On 8/3/2020 at 8:47 PM, darsony said:

Personally, I like the new tour soft. I've had some of my best scores with it. (That's how I judge a ball.) But for that price the Bridgestone e12 balls are a much better deal and perform about as well. They cost $25/doz here in the Atlanta area.

A relative gave me 6 new Tour Softs.  I wanted to go out and play by myself but got pair.  I played it for about 4 holes and I liked it.  I have been playing Pro V1X most of the day.   I have buckets of balls including Pro V1 and 1X.

 

I think the Tour Soft is pricey.

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I bought a dozen of the Tour Speed balls and quite like them.  
 

I’ve been playing Q Star Tours and Snell MTB for the past few years.   And almost all the premium tour balls and the other urethane balls marketed to slower swingers (BRX and Project A).  I swing the driver about 90mph.   

 

I have played 6 rounds with Tour Speeds and have had no problems with durability.    I’ve hit oak trees and gravel cart paths.   Never had to take one out of play yet.    

Nice soft feel, good distance especially with the irons.   Good spin with full shots into the greens.   I don’t play for a lot of spin on short wedge shots around the greens so can’t really comment on that.   I prefer to play for a little bit of rollout.   I did get a lot of spin from a couple of green side shots from the sand.  
 

I like the BRX and this ball is a close comparison.   Where I live in Canada the Bridgestone balls are expensive and rarely go on sale.  
 

The Tour Speed is about $1 a ball cheaper than ProV1.    Snell balls are sold out in Canada for the time being.    
 

So this ball is a good choice for me anyway.  
 

 

 

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42 minutes ago, URStillAway said:

I bought a dozen of the Tour Speed balls and quite like them.  
 

I’ve been playing Q Star Tours and Snell MTB for the past few years.   And almost all the premium tour balls and the other urethane balls marketed to slower swingers (BRX and Project A).  I swing the driver about 90mph.   

 

I have played 6 rounds with Tour Speeds and have had no problems with durability.    I’ve hit oak trees and gravel cart paths.   Never had to take one out of play yet.    

Nice soft feel, good distance especially with the irons.   Good spin with full shots into the greens.   I don’t play for a lot of spin on short wedge shots around the greens so can’t really comment on that.   I prefer to play for a little bit of rollout.   I did get a lot of spin from a couple of green side shots from the sand.  
 

I like the BRX and this ball is a close comparison.   Where I live in Canada the Bridgestone balls are expensive and rarely go on sale.  
 

The Tour Speed is about $1 a ball cheaper than ProV1.    Snell balls are sold out in Canada for the time being.    
 

So this ball is a good choice for me anyway.  
 

 

 

Titleist optimized this ball's performance for a 93 mph swing speed so it makes sense you like it.

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On 8/3/2020 at 5:47 PM, darsony said:

Personally, I like the new tour soft. I've had some of my best scores with it. (That's how I judge a ball.) But for that price the Bridgestone e12 balls are a much better deal and perform about as well. They cost $25/doz here in the Atlanta area.

Don't get my wrong, the ProV1 line and AVX straight up perform, but the rest of their line up leaves a lot to be desired IMO.  Remember the DT Solo?  Yeah me neither.  Or rather, I'd like to forget.........

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