Future Ryder cups not looking good! (a Euro)

[Superbrit]

Im European and absolutely love the Ryder cup, and lets face it we dont exactly lose very often, but there i was sat watching the PGA and it dawned on me, maybe not the next Ryder cup, but after that we are in trouble!

 

Suddenly the US has all these young golfers who seem to be living up to their potential, Morikawa, Wolff, Champ, all of them looked so good, not forgetting the still reasonably young players like De Chambeau, Keopka, Thomas, Cantlay, Schauffele, Finau, Woodland

 

And then there's still the likes of Dj and Reed

 

It seems the days of Furyk, Kuchar, Johnson, Stricker etc etc are now behind us, unfortunately!

 

 

[caniac6]

Good!

[VNutz]

Because the likes of Hovland and Rahm aren't good enough?

[Kuhndogg8]

Of course they are. But look at the depth of players he listed. That's a LOT of them. Look at the top 20 in OWGR (which are a joke, but that's a different discussion). Rahm, Rory, Fleetwood, Hatton, Rose, Casey, Fitzpatrick. That's the only Euros there. If you're looking at long term, Casey and Rose are both over 40. Go down 20 more spots and you only add Hovland, Lowry, Weisberger, Stenson, and Willett. Stenson and Willett total nonfactors, and probably the same for Weisberger. The long term US depth looks to be dominant.

[VNutz]

I understand that, but those are just the 2 young Euros I could think of right away, I'm sure there are more that we haven't been seeing as both tours were down for a while. I feel like that statement has been made for a long time, how much young firepower the US has, and it rarely comes to fruition. The Euro side has a knack for rising to the occasion in a way that the US doesn't. I'd happily be wrong though. :)

[bubbagump]

US imo, has had the name power and stronger team on paper for a while, however that only goes so far as weve seen. Sure Wolff, Champ, Scheffler, Xander, Morikawa, led by "vets" like JT and Rickie have the clout to be favored for a while, however once the first tee ball goes off things will likely even out.

[Mcgeeno]

Rasmus Hojgaard might be a relevant name for the Euro team soon.

 

 

[VNutz]

Exactly my point. Until a US team proves it consistently it doesn't matter. 12 years ago the US was set with a young Anthony Kim looking like the next future star. 10 years ago a young Hunter Mahan and Rickie Fowler looked like they could anchor a US team for a while. 2012 looked like Bubba, Webb and Keegan would do the same. Even just a few years ago Spieth looked like he was the next go to guy. Look where we are now. There's been a revolving door of young guns that would reverse the tide, but they've been drummed several times. 2018's team was one of the best ever on paper and we saw how that played out. Things change so much from year to year, even event to event, that there's no guaranteeing anything.

[Mcgeeno]

Yep.

 

When the tee peg goes in the ground things are always different in the Ryder Cup.

 

They could have 10 of the top 12 in the World Rankings and the Euro's will still be there battling.

[cardoustie]

The Ryder Cup isn’t all singles matches

until then the weight of proof rests on the USA

love

SuperAussie

[Darth Putter]

The Euros could have shown up next month with the Hojgaard brothers, Hovland, Detry, any three Frenchmen, any three Austrians, Ian Poulter and Miguel Angel Jimenez and I'd still bet on Europe to win.

[QuigleyDU]

I think there is some great matches in the future.. Very excited. Hovland is good and will be a Euro so I am not so quick to count eggs on the US side.

[Titleist99]

LOL!.....The Ryder Cup will always mean more to Euros than the United States. I think the U. S, won twenty out of twenty two Ryder Cups and it was nothing but an exhibition then as well as now. Anyway, the Ryder Cup is nothing but a putting contest and Europe putts better when it counts......Lately! I think the total count is 26-16 ......U.S. lead.

[2bGood]

Ryder Cup is no won by the best players, it is won by the best TEAM. The US has had more depth for a long time, but the Euro secret sauce is team cohesion.

There is allot of animosity amongst several of the likely US players and this will be their undoing as it has in the past.

[bladehunter]

Heck. We haven’t had a reason to loose in 10 years on paper. But we still do. The US has had Europe out gunned forcever and still chokes.

[munichop]

Europe understands the common enemy tactic and builds a team accordingly. Match play allows a different style of play and the format allows one team to ride hot players if they choose. The U.S. team room is a mess. Big egos, no cohesion, let me play with my buddy...I don’t see that changing soon.

[snizzle]

Yes I saw some impressive 19-20 year olds playing on the Euro tour these past few weeks including Hojgaard. A few will rise to the top.

Also when it comes to RC it's usually the bulldog types like Reed and Poulter that win key matches and not necessarily the big names at the top of the OWGR rankings. I hate to say it but some of the prima donnas are more concerned about their name brand or ego stroking than actually bringing home the RC.

[Mcgeeno]

Lets not forget Rahm, Fitzpatrick, Fleetwood, McIlroy, Hovland, Victor Perez and Hojgaard are all pretty darn good and on the right side of the age conversation.

 

 

 

 

 

[the bishop]

Every single Ryder Cup the avg world ranking of each team is brought up and the US- on paper - has the stronger team. Every. Single. Time. But so much more goes into determining the overall winner and winners of the individual matches. That said I do have hope for the new crop of US talent coming up. IRT newer Euro talent, I'm a big Hovland fan but he has some glaring weaknesses in his short game that need to be addressed. It matters in the RC. Just ask Hunter Mahan.

[Darth Putter]

If you ever feel worried about Europe's chances watch this....

 

https://youtu.be/7-kxODwKATo...and know they got your back.

[ColinKelvin]

Rahm, Fitzpatrick, Fleetwood, Hatton and Hovland - they are all great young players and that's nearly half a team right there.
Add mainstays like McIlroy and Molinari and a few veterans (e.g. Sergio, who has the all-time points record and usually wins regardless of form, and Stenson, Casey and Rose, who are still world class and have perhaps a couple more RCs to play).
Keep an eye on young Robert Macintyre too - Scotland's great golfing hope right now; quietly made the PGA cut and had two under par rounds in his debut in an American major.
Europe may lose the next RC which is away, but the future's not all that bad. The US always has more depth (except perhaps in Europe's golden age in the 80s), but you can only field 12 players each time!

[MattyO1984]

Are you Alan Shipnuck in disguise?

It seemed like pretty much everything you have said has been said before - in the late 90’s, the emergence of Tiger, Duval and Mickelson was going to power the US Team to domination in the 2000’s. Look how that worked out. In the early 2010’s the US had Rickie Fowler, Patrick Reed, Jordan Spieth and Brooks emerge. So far those guys have one win apiece in the Ryder Cup. The likes of Morikawa, Wolff might be good, but better than Tiger, Duval and Mickelson? Are they better than Reed, Spieth or Koepka?

Plus, as long as the Europeans are written off, the underdog tag fits them well. People will always mention Poulter who is unquestionably the poster boy when it comes to looking for someone who more than the sum of his parts but guys who are completely unheralded - Costaino Rocca, Per-Ulrik Johansson, David Howell, Victor Dubuisson - who have come in, beaten plenty of star names, earned positive winning percentages and then settled back into being slightly above average tour pro’s. If guys like that can beat Tiger, Mickelson, Furyk, Stricker in their prime, then a Bob MacIntyre, Bernd Wiesberger and Victor Perez can come in and beat JT, Reed and Koepka particularly when they have the likes of McIlroy, Rahm, Fleetwood behind them.

[mahonie]

The only way for the US to win is set up the course like a PGA Tour event...70 yard wide fairways, no penal rough, soft greens. Take any of those things away and the advantage will always lie with the Euros.

[ThinkingPlus]

Never underestimate the ability of the US team to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

[soregongolfer]

Bah.  The US team was a lot better on paper for the last RC and Europe still won.  

[jimbonecrusher]

Why is everybody leaving Sam Horsfield out of the discussion?  The kid seems to have some pretty strong game.  I believe the Euro team will be able to match the young talent of the US team.  Hojgaard brothers, Fitzpatrick, Van Rooyen, Perez, Rahm, and a few other under 30 players are going to make for a stout team.

 

It might make for the largest amount of young talent in a Ryder Cup in quite some time.

[MattyO1984]

11 hours ago, jimbonecrusher said:

Why is everybody leaving Sam Horsfield out of the discussion?  The kid seems to have some pretty strong game.  I believe the Euro team will be able to match the young talent of the US team.  Hojgaard brothers, Fitzpatrick, Van Rooyen, Perez, Rahm, and a few other under 30 players are going to make for a stout team.

 

It might make for the largest amount of young talent in a Ryder Cup in quite some time.

 

Van Rooyen being South African may put a spanner in those plans...

[Dave230]

Europe has beaten US with much inferior teams - look at 2002 Ryder Cup for example with Philip Price beating Mickelson and McGinley winning the match against Furyk.

 

As long as Europe keeps a strong core with Rahm, Rory, Fleetwood and a few others, the gap between the average European Tour player and the average PGA Tour player isn't as big as rankings might suggest, especially in Ryder Cups in Europe, in matchplay. 72-hole tournaments yes but 18 holes anything can happen. And Europe generally is better at team formats and seems to gel easier than the US players. For those reasons it will remain close.

[jimbonecrusher]

On 8/19/2020 at 3:24 AM, MattyO1984 said:

 

Van Rooyen being South African may put a spanner in those plans...

 

Oops, my research skills sucked.  That would make it a bit difficult.