Jump to content

Future Ryder cups not looking good! (a Euro)


Recommended Posts

Im European and absolutely love the Ryder cup, and lets face it we dont exactly lose very often, but there i was sat watching the PGA and it dawned on me, maybe not the next Ryder cup, but after that we are in trouble!

 

Suddenly the US has all these young golfers who seem to be living up to their potential, Morikawa, Wolff, Champ, all of them looked so good, not forgetting the still reasonably young players like De Chambeau, Keopka, Thomas, Cantlay, Schauffele, Finau, Woodland

 

And then there's still the likes of Dj and Reed

 

It seems the days of Furyk, Kuchar, Johnson, Stricker etc etc are now behind us, unfortunately!

 

 

Driver: :taylormade-small: Sim2 MAX 9*

3 Wood: :taylormade-small: Sim Max 15*

Hybrid:     :ping-small: G 19*

Hybrid Irons: :adams-small:  Pro DHY 21 & 24*

Irons:       :ping-small: i500 6-PW

Gap Wedge:  :ping-small: Glide 3 50*

Wedges: :taylormade-small: Hi-Toe Raw 54 & 58*

Putter:  :odyssey-small:  O-Works 7

 

 

Link to post
Share on other sites
  • Replies 28
  • Created
  • Last Reply

Top Posters In This Topic

Top Posters In This Topic

Popular Posts

The Euros could have shown up next month with the Hojgaard brothers, Hovland, Detry, any three Frenchmen, any three Austrians, Ian Poulter and Miguel Angel Jimenez and I'd still bet on Europe to win.

Rasmus Hojgaard might be a relevant name for the Euro team soon.    

Never underestimate the ability of the US team to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

Of course they are. But look at the depth of players he listed. That's a LOT of them. Look at the top 20 in OWGR (which are a joke, but that's a different discussion). Rahm, Rory, Fleetwood, Hatton, Rose, Casey, Fitzpatrick. That's the only Euros there. If you're looking at long term, Casey and Rose are both over 40. Go down 20 more spots and you only add Hovland, Lowry, Weisberger, Stenson, and Willett. Stenson and Willett total nonfactors, and probably the same for Weisberger. The long term US depth looks to be dominant.

Link to post
Share on other sites

I understand that, but those are just the 2 young Euros I could think of right away, I'm sure there are more that we haven't been seeing as both tours were down for a while. I feel like that statement has been made for a long time, how much young firepower the US has, and it rarely comes to fruition. The Euro side has a knack for rising to the occasion in a way that the US doesn't. I'd happily be wrong though. :)

Link to post
Share on other sites

US imo, has had the name power and stronger team on paper for a while, however that only goes so far as weve seen. Sure Wolff, Champ, Scheffler, Xander, Morikawa, led by "vets" like JT and Rickie have the clout to be favored for a while, however once the first tee ball goes off things will likely even out.

G400 LST | SLDR MINI |PXG 0317x  

Nike Vapor Speed 4i | 5-GW T100S Black 

Fourteen RM Tour | TM Hi-Toe

Toulon Atlanta
WITB

Link to post
Share on other sites

Exactly my point. Until a US team proves it consistently it doesn't matter. 12 years ago the US was set with a young Anthony Kim looking like the next future star. 10 years ago a young Hunter Mahan and Rickie Fowler looked like they could anchor a US team for a while. 2012 looked like Bubba, Webb and Keegan would do the same. Even just a few years ago Spieth looked like he was the next go to guy. Look where we are now. There's been a revolving door of young guns that would reverse the tide, but they've been drummed several times. 2018's team was one of the best ever on paper and we saw how that played out. Things change so much from year to year, even event to event, that there's no guaranteeing anything.

Link to post
Share on other sites

The Ryder Cup isn’t all singles matches

until then the weight of proof rests on the USA

love

SuperAussie

Ping G400 Max 10.5* Graphite Design AD XC 6x

Ping G400 5w 16.9* Blueboard 63x & 7w 19.5* Bboard 73x 

Cally Apex '19 4h & 5h 26* Fubuki 82x

Callaway x-forged UT 27* AD DI 85x

Srixon ZX7 7 - PW PX Catalyst 100 6.5 
Vokey TVD M 51* & TVD M 57* Oil s400 

Vokey SM2 Oil Finish 63* DG TI s400 

Scotty GoLo 7 (35g weights)
 

 

Link to post
Share on other sites

I think there is some great matches in the future.. Very excited. Hovland is good and will be a Euro so I am not so quick to count eggs on the US side.

Driver: Titleist TSi3 Ventus blue 6x

3 wood: Titleist Tsi2 15 Ventus blue 7x

& Wood: Titleist TSi2 Ventus Red 9X
Taylormade Gapr low 2 ventus blue 9x
4-PW Cobra king forged CB KBS $ Taper 130 X flex
Wedges 50, 54, 60 Cleveland ZIPCORE
PUTTER; LAB DF2.1
BALL; Bridgestone BX, OR Taylomade TP5x PIX

Link to post
Share on other sites

LOL!.....The Ryder Cup will always mean more to Euros than the United States. I think the U. S, won twenty out of twenty two Ryder Cups and it was nothing but an exhibition then as well as now. Anyway, the Ryder Cup is nothing but a putting contest and Europe putts better when it counts......Lately! I think the total count is 26-16 ......U.S. lead.

Link to post
Share on other sites

Heck. We haven’t had a reason to loose in 10 years on paper. But we still do. The US has had Europe out gunned forcever and still chokes.

 

Mavrik triple diamond 10.5* Diamana TB 70TX 

TM 300 mini 13.5 Tensie CK Blue 80 TX  

TM Sim tour 19*  Aldila rogue proto 95TX  

Titleist T100 4-pw MMT 125TX 

Vokey sm7 50 54 58 MCI 125 mild  

Cameron GSS 009  1.5 , sound slot , tungsten sole weights , head speed shaft. 

Link to post
Share on other sites

Yes I saw some impressive 19-20 year olds playing on the Euro tour these past few weeks including Hojgaard. A few will rise to the top.

Also when it comes to RC it's usually the bulldog types like Reed and Poulter that win key matches and not necessarily the big names at the top of the OWGR rankings. I hate to say it but some of the prima donnas are more concerned about their name brand or ego stroking than actually bringing home the RC.

Link to post
Share on other sites

Every single Ryder Cup the avg world ranking of each team is brought up and the US- on paper - has the stronger team. Every. Single. Time. But so much more goes into determining the overall winner and winners of the individual matches. That said I do have hope for the new crop of US talent coming up. IRT newer Euro talent, I'm a big Hovland fan but he has some glaring weaknesses in his short game that need to be addressed. It matters in the RC. Just ask Hunter Mahan.

W/S Cortex 10.5* - Fuji Pro/S
W/S C300 13.5* - Fuji Pro/S
Callaway Apex Pro 20*/23* - MMT 80hy/S
W/S Staff Model MB 5-P  DGS300
W/S Staff Model 52/56/60 - DGS300
Stroke Lab Seven

Link to post
Share on other sites

Rahm, Fitzpatrick, Fleetwood, Hatton and Hovland - they are all great young players and that's nearly half a team right there.
Add mainstays like McIlroy and Molinari and a few veterans (e.g. Sergio, who has the all-time points record and usually wins regardless of form, and Stenson, Casey and Rose, who are still world class and have perhaps a couple more RCs to play).
Keep an eye on young Robert Macintyre too - Scotland's great golfing hope right now; quietly made the PGA cut and had two under par rounds in his debut in an American major.
Europe may lose the next RC which is away, but the future's not all that bad. The US always has more depth (except perhaps in Europe's golden age in the 80s), but you can only field 12 players each time!

  • PING G400 Max 9* Tensei Orange 60g S
  • PING Anser 17 & 20* hybrids Graphite Design 85S
  • PING iBlades Green Dot CFS 80-S
  • PING Anser Forged wedges Blue Dot DG Spinner
  • PING PLD Anser (Trisole Carbon Steel) / Nordberg Halvdan Custom
 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Link to post
Share on other sites

Are you Alan Shipnuck in disguise?

It seemed like pretty much everything you have said has been said before - in the late 90’s, the emergence of Tiger, Duval and Mickelson was going to power the US Team to domination in the 2000’s. Look how that worked out. In the early 2010’s the US had Rickie Fowler, Patrick Reed, Jordan Spieth and Brooks emerge. So far those guys have one win apiece in the Ryder Cup. The likes of Morikawa, Wolff might be good, but better than Tiger, Duval and Mickelson? Are they better than Reed, Spieth or Koepka?

Plus, as long as the Europeans are written off, the underdog tag fits them well. People will always mention Poulter who is unquestionably the poster boy when it comes to looking for someone who more than the sum of his parts but guys who are completely unheralded - Costaino Rocca, Per-Ulrik Johansson, David Howell, Victor Dubuisson - who have come in, beaten plenty of star names, earned positive winning percentages and then settled back into being slightly above average tour pro’s. If guys like that can beat Tiger, Mickelson, Furyk, Stricker in their prime, then a Bob MacIntyre, Bernd Wiesberger and Victor Perez can come in and beat JT, Reed and Koepka particularly when they have the likes of McIlroy, Rahm, Fleetwood behind them.

Titleist TS3 8.5 Even Flow White T1100 6.0
Titleist 915Fd 15 Stiff Rogue Black 
Titleist 915Hd 17.5 Stiff Diamana S+
Titleist T100 4-PW 6.0 Project X LZ
Titleist Vokey SM6 50.08
Titlesist Vokey SM7 56.12 & 60.04
Scotty Cameron Futura 5S
ProV1x 2021

 

www.youtube.com/oneillgolf

Link to post
Share on other sites

The only way for the US to win is set up the course like a PGA Tour event...70 yard wide fairways, no penal rough, soft greens. Take any of those things away and the advantage will always lie with the Euros.

Callaway Big Bertha Alpha Fubuki ZT Stiff
Callaway XR Speed 3W Project X HZRDUS T800 65 Stiff
Wilson Staff FG Tour M3 21* Hybrid Aldila RIP Stiff
Cobra King CB/MB Flow 4-6, 7-PW C-Taper Stiff
Wilson Staff PMP wedges 50/54/58 KBS Hi-Rev 2.0
Radius Classic 8

Link to post
Share on other sites

Why is everybody leaving Sam Horsfield out of the discussion?  The kid seems to have some pretty strong game.  I believe the Euro team will be able to match the young talent of the US team.  Hojgaard brothers, Fitzpatrick, Van Rooyen, Perez, Rahm, and a few other under 30 players are going to make for a stout team.

 

It might make for the largest amount of young talent in a Ryder Cup in quite some time.

Link to post
Share on other sites
11 hours ago, jimbonecrusher said:

Why is everybody leaving Sam Horsfield out of the discussion?  The kid seems to have some pretty strong game.  I believe the Euro team will be able to match the young talent of the US team.  Hojgaard brothers, Fitzpatrick, Van Rooyen, Perez, Rahm, and a few other under 30 players are going to make for a stout team.

 

It might make for the largest amount of young talent in a Ryder Cup in quite some time.

 

Van Rooyen being South African may put a spanner in those plans...

  • Haha 2

Titleist TS3 8.5 Even Flow White T1100 6.0
Titleist 915Fd 15 Stiff Rogue Black 
Titleist 915Hd 17.5 Stiff Diamana S+
Titleist T100 4-PW 6.0 Project X LZ
Titleist Vokey SM6 50.08
Titlesist Vokey SM7 56.12 & 60.04
Scotty Cameron Futura 5S
ProV1x 2021

 

www.youtube.com/oneillgolf

Link to post
Share on other sites

Europe has beaten US with much inferior teams - look at 2002 Ryder Cup for example with Philip Price beating Mickelson and McGinley winning the match against Furyk.

 

As long as Europe keeps a strong core with Rahm, Rory, Fleetwood and a few others, the gap between the average European Tour player and the average PGA Tour player isn't as big as rankings might suggest, especially in Ryder Cups in Europe, in matchplay. 72-hole tournaments yes but 18 holes anything can happen. And Europe generally is better at team formats and seems to gel easier than the US players. For those reasons it will remain close.

  • Like 1
Link to post
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    No registered users viewing this page.

  • Our picks

    • 2021 3M Open - Discussion and Links
      Please put any questions or comments here
       
      2021 3M Open - Tuesday #1
      2021 3M Open - Tuesday #2
      2021 3M Open - Tuesday #3
      2021 3M Open - Tuesday #4
      2021 3M Open - Tuesday #5
      2021 3M Open - Tuesday #6
      2021 3M Open - Tuesday #7
      2021 3M Open - Tuesday #8
       
      2021 3M Open - Wednesday #1
      2021 3M Open - Wednesday #2
      2021 3M Open - Wednesday #3
      2021 3M Open - Wednesday #4
      2021 3M Open - Wednesday #5
       
       
       
      TaylorMade MG3 wedges - 2021 3M Open
      Mizuno 225 2 iron - 2021 3M Open
      TaylorMade Mini Driver - 2021 3M Open
      Scotty Cameron putters - 2021 3M Open
      New Odyssey putter cover - 2021 3M Open
      Bettinardi wedges - 2021 3M Open
      Rypstick training aid - 2021 3M Open
      Bettinardi putters and covers - 2021 3M Open
      Kuch putting right armlock - 2021 3M Open
       
       
       
       
       
       
        • Like
      • 15 replies
    • 2021 TPC Colorado Champ. @ Heron Lakes WITB Photos- Discussion & Links
      Please put any questions or comments here...
       
      2021 TPC Colorado Championship @ Heron Lakes - Tuesday #1
      2021 TPC Colorado Championship @ Heron Lakes - Tuesday #2
      2021 TPC Colorado Championship @ Heron Lakes - Tuesday #3
      2021 TPC Colorado Championship @ Heron Lakes - Tuesday #4
      2021 TPC Colorado Championship @ Heron Lakes - Tuesday #5
      2021 TPC Colorado Championship @ Heron Lakes - Tuesday #6
      2021 TPC Colorado Championship @ Heron Lakes - Tuesday #7
       
      Titleist T200 2& 3 irons - 2021 TPC Colorado Championship @ Heron Lakes
       

       

       
      • 16 replies
    • 2021 Rocket Mortgage Classic WITB Photos- Discussion and Links
      Please put any questions or comments here.
       
      2021 Rocket Mortgage Classic - Monday #1
      2021 Rocket Mortgage Classic - Monday #2
      2021 Rocket Mortgage Classic - Monday #3
      2021 Rocket Mortgage Classic - Monday #4
      2021 Rocket Mortgage Classic - Monday #5
       
      Cameron putters - 2021 Rocket Mortgage Classic
       

       
       
       
       
      • 15 replies
    • 2021 Travelers Championship - Discussion & Links
      2021 Titleist T100 irons (in hand photos) - Travelers Championship
      2021 Titleist T100S irons (in hand photos) - Travelers Championship
      2021 Titleist U 505 (in hand photos) - Travelers Championship
      Mitsubishi Tensei K series (red, white & blue US Open) shaft - 2021 Travelers Championship
       
      Rickie Fowler's custom Cameron putters - 2021 Travelers Championship
      Scotty Cameron putters - 2021 Travelers Championship
       
      2021 Travelers Championship - Tuesday #1
      2021 Travelers Championship - Tuesday #2
       
      • 20 replies
    • Wichita Open (Korn Ferry) - Discussion and Links
      Please put any question or comments here.
       
      Links to the galleries...
      2021 Wichita Open (Korn Ferry) - Tuesday #1
      2021 Wichita Open (Korn Ferry) - Tuesday #2
      2021 Wichita Open (Korn Ferry) - Tuesday #3
      2021 Wichita Open (Korn Ferry) - Tuesday #4
      2021 Wichita Open (Korn Ferry) - Tuesday #5
      2021 Wichita Open (Korn Ferry) - Tuesday #6
      2021 Wichita Open (Korn Ferry) - Tuesday #7
      2021 Wichita Open (Korn Ferry) - Tuesday #8
      2021 Wichita Open (Korn Ferry) - Tuesday #9
       
      Adam Svensson with new model of Puma golf shoes - 2021 Wichita Open (Korn Ferry)
       


       
      2021 Wichita Open (Korn Ferry) - Tuesday #1
      2021 Wichita Open (Korn Ferry) - Tuesday #2
      2021 Wichita Open (Korn Ferry) - Tuesday #3
      2021 Wichita Open (Korn Ferry) - Tuesday #4
      2021 Wichita Open (Korn Ferry) - Tuesday #5
      2021 Wichita Open (Korn Ferry) - Tuesday #6
      2021 Wichita Open (Korn Ferry) - Tuesday #7
      2021 Wichita Open (Korn Ferry) - Tuesday #8
      2021 Wichita Open (Korn Ferry) - Tuesday #9
       
      Adam Svensson with new model of Puma golf shoes - 2021 Wichita Open (Korn Ferry)
       

       
        • Like
      • 4 replies

×
×
  • Create New...