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65 feels stiff to flex, 75 seems soft - but how to know without published specs

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I've never tried the 75 but agree with your assessment that the 65 is true if not firm to flex.  What I don't understand your reference to "publishes specs."   The only specs most OEM's publish is a s

I love the Ping Tour shafts and I've noticed a little difference between the 65 and 75 as well aside from weight. As a result I have the 65 S in my driver and the 75 X in my 3 wood. I really like them

What you're likely feeling is the longitudinal stiffness.  That's very different from the torsional stiffness.  Torque generally only plays a pretty minor role in the stiffness feel of a shaft.

I've never tried the 75 but agree with your assessment that the 65 is true if not firm to flex.  What I don't understand your reference to "publishes specs."   The only specs most OEM's publish is a simple R, S, XL spec, and maybe some reference to launch trajectory.  Where is the issue?

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3 hours ago, JD3 said:

65 feels stiff to flex, 75 seems soft - but how to know without published specs

Shaft profiles similar to the Aldila Tour Green

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3 minutes ago, jlukes said:

Shaft profiles similar to the Aldila Tour Green

The Tour 65 is stiffer in the tip.  I profiled one using my frequency meter and the Ping shaft has a very stiff tip and a little extra flex in the mid tip area.  the Tour Green is same as the Rogue Silver and is more uniformity mid-low trajectory (slightly more flexible in the tip but stiffer in the mid tip)

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Definitely UST, sticker under grip. I like the 65 and respect they made it a true X (others would call it "Tour X" these days). And it feels like a true premium shaft. The 75 I'm not so sure of, more like a watered down "made for" whiteboard. I'm just a little frustrated with ping for being inconsistent making one stiff to flex, the other soft, without providing details on torque and bend profile so users could have an idea beforehand. 

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Had a chance to demo 75x yesterday. Like 65x it's the real deal in terms of being an actual X. It's their 75s has a much larger gap into soft territory than the 65s, which retains the stoutness. Maybe they figure traditional S players want a softer, higher launching fairway. 

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5 hours ago, JD3 said:

Had a chance to demo 75x yesterday. Like 65x it's the real deal in terms of being an actual X. It's their 75s has a much larger gap into soft territory than the 65s, which retains the stoutness. Maybe they figure traditional S players want a softer, higher launching fairway. 

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I contacted Ping regarding specs for the Tour 75. The "S" and "X" are 2.9 and 2.8 torque respectively. The "S" however IMO feels much softer. Maybe it's the butt that's real soft but they retained stiffness throughout rest of shaft?

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44 minutes ago, JD3 said:

I contacted Ping regarding specs for the Tour 75. The "S" and "X" are 2.9 and 2.8 torque respectively. The "S" however IMO feels much softer. Maybe it's the butt that's real soft but they retained stiffness throughout rest of shaft?

If demo'd a fw with 75s in it - that shaft wasn't tipped. Even the recommended standard 1/2" tipping on 3wd. 

 

The 75s{or x} they tip 1/2" on driver--they just don't tip the fairways 

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I love the Ping Tour shafts and I've noticed a little difference between the 65 and 75 as well aside from weight. As a result I have the 65 S in my driver and the 75 X in my 3 wood. I really like them both but I've toyed with putting the 75 S in the 3 wood but if it plays a little softer I may not enjoy that.

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1 hour ago, JD3 said:

I contacted Ping regarding specs for the Tour 75. The "S" and "X" are 2.9 and 2.8 torque respectively. The "S" however IMO feels much softer. Maybe it's the butt that's real soft but they retained stiffness throughout rest of shaft?

 

What you're likely feeling is the longitudinal stiffness.  That's very different from the torsional stiffness.  Torque generally only plays a pretty minor role in the stiffness feel of a shaft.

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1 hour ago, Stuart_G said:

 

What you're likely feeling is the longitudinal stiffness.  That's very different from the torsional stiffness.  Torque generally only plays a pretty minor role in the stiffness feel of a shaft.

Interesting. Do companies report longitudal stiffness too?

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1 hour ago, JD3 said:

Interesting. Do companies report longitudal stiffness too?

 

Most don't.  It's not something a single number will help describe since it can change in different ways across the full length of the shaft.  And the ones that do don't really do it in a way that allows you to compare their shafts to shafts from other companies.  It's only really helpful for comparing just their shafts with each other.

 

golfshaftreviews.com  does independent testing but it takes a subscription to access the good data. 

 

The Titlest custom shaft option guide online lists tip and butt frequencies.  Not as complete as the full stiffness profile but can still be helpful.  Except of course they wont have the Ping OEM shafts listed.

 

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Hello,

I used to play Driver G30 with Ping Tour 65 stiff shaft for the past 5 years, excellent driver.

I bought the new G425 Max with the same shaft, again, excellent results.

 

However, I had the terrible idea to order the fairway 5 woods Ping Tour 75 Stiff without fitting, and it is a disater.

As said earlier in this thread, the Tour 75 is much softer than the Tour 65, which is totally incoherent in my opinion.

 

I've written to Ping and hope to be able to have a switch with the X-Stiff...

 

Regards

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4 hours ago, JoachimR said:

Hello,

I used to play Driver G30 with Ping Tour 65 stiff shaft for the past 5 years, excellent driver.

I bought the new G425 Max with the same shaft, again, excellent results.

 

However, I had the terrible idea to order the fairway 5 woods Ping Tour 75 Stiff without fitting, and it is a disater.

As said earlier in this thread, the Tour 75 is much softer than the Tour 65, which is totally incoherent in my opinion.

 

I've written to Ping and hope to be able to have a switch with the X-Stiff...

 

Regards

Tour shaft wasn't tipped by Ping...you don't need the x flex....just request tipped 1"[though I suggest 1 1/2"]

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I’m gaming 75x in driver. Seems more stable than 65x in driver for me. 

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3 minutes ago, ShortSticks said:

So if I play the 65 s in a driver, and want to play a 75 s in a 3 wood, I should get a used 75 s in a driver shaft and trim it 1/2 inch in the tip and then butt trim to length to get them to play similar.

Probably 1" tipping to get that same feel......I tipped mine 1.5" to firm up the feel even more

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I believe the driver shaft is already tipped 1". If you buy one with an adapter, screw it on, choke down and hit some ball w it

 

This was years ago, so I could be wrong. I played the 75 stiff in a fairway felt it was too soft, bought a 75 S driver shaft and it was still too soft. The driver was tipped more but I could barely feel anything as far as stiffness.

 

I played an untipped 75 X all last year and it was very soft for an X. I think most S players could load it

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I used a Ping Tour 75 in the G410 LST 3 wood and i agree it was soooooft

 

Honestly i could've jumped rope with it

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On 5/23/2021 at 7:19 PM, Joachim said:

Hi all,

 

I have a driver G425 with ping tour 65 stiff, very happy with it.

Do you think that a ping tour 75 X on my fairway wood would be a good match in terms of shaft flex?

 

Thanks!

Hard to say without trying it, but any Ping dealer should have a Tour shaft you can try. The driver shaft is tipped, the fairway is not

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