Gross tournament played from different tees

[crapula]

In a handicapped event the course handicap takes care of playing from different tees. Is there an official rule on playing a gross tournament from different tees?

 

Our mens club championship has a gross and net prize. But, players will be playing from 3 different tees with ratings of 69.2, 71.4, and 73.2.

 

Would adjusting the score based on rating difference be fair or should everyone just play the same tees for the gross prize? If you play back tees you subtract 4 to get your gross score and net is adjusted by whatever your course handicap is? The weird part if we go this route is I am a 0 from the back tees so if I shoot 72 my gross score would be 68 and my net score would be 72... it just doesn't feel right.

 

Basically seniors have the option to play the front, middle or back tees and they will basically all play the front. Everyone else can play the middle or the back. Just about everyone under a 5 handicap will most likely play the back tees, unless they have the option to play the front tees.

 

One thought I had was you sign up for either Gross or Net. Gross plays middle tees and Net can pick any tee (seniors can play front in Net only). We have about 100 people in the club and I would guess only 20 or less would sign up for Gross. Playing in Gross division would be the only way to be deemed club champion and both divisions would have same payout structure regardless of how many people played in each division.

 

Any ideas?

Edited August 19, 2020 by crapula

[ThinkingPlus]

Most of the time the gross competition is played from one set of tees period.  Net comps can be played from a variety of tees because the handicap system takes it all into account.  For example if I wanted to play in our senior club championship I must play blue tees with all the guys even though the forward tees for me have a comparable course rating (women's) to the men's blue tee rating.  I think it is the appropriate way to handle gross comps.  Pick the same tees for everyone; low score wins.

[EricWGolf]

Gross competition from the same tee only.  If you start adding or subtracting strokes, that’s not a gross competition anymore.

 

All the club championships I’ve seen have been gross from the same tee.  They’re just flighted and higher handicaps or senior divisions play from shorter tees than the championship flight.

Edited August 19, 2020 by EricWGolf

[2bGood]

Sounds like you need a flighted event as you can't truly have a gross event from different tees. If you did and you did what you are suggesting (modify score based on tees) you are actually playing a net event using a modified handicapping system.

[crapula]

Another idea is to have multiple Gross divisions that play different tees. You qualify for a division based on handicap but have the option to move up. The higher the division the better the payout.

 

This is just our mens club, we already had the course's official Club Championship which is flighted based on handicap. In years past our mens club championship was Net only.

 

@2bGood Oops just noticed you just said what I said.

Edited August 19, 2020 by crapula

[SNIPERBBB]

If you're a zero from from the back you're net and gross scores are the same.  As you move up the tees youll lose strokes relative to the guys playing from the back.

 

I hate split tee comps. You're literally not playing the same course. Especially with net as you have to trust that the people in charge make the appropriate tee adjustments to the CH.

[crapula]

5 minutes ago, SNIPERBBB said:

If you're a zero from from the back you're net and gross scores are the same.  As you move up the tees youll lose strokes relative to the guys playing from the back.

 

I hate split tee comps. You're literally not playing the same course. Especially with net as you have to trust that the people in charge make the appropriate tee adjustments to the CH.

 

I thought with the new handicap system the course handicap takes care of the tee adjustments?

[ThinkingPlus]

6 minutes ago, crapula said:

 

I thought with the new handicap system the course handicap takes care of the tee adjustments?

It does.  One of the nice features.

[SNIPERBBB]

7 minutes ago, crapula said:

 

I thought with the new handicap system the course handicap takes care of the tee adjustments?

You still have to adjust for tee ratings seperately. The CHS adjustment makes it from shooting the rating with your net to shooting par instead

[crapula]

2 minutes ago, SNIPERBBB said:

You still have to adjust for tee ratings seperately. The CHS adjustment makes it from shooting the rating with your net to shooting par instead

Course Handicap and Playing Handicap

Q. When players compete from different tees, do we have to make any adjustments?

A. Since a Course Handicap represents the number of strokes received to play to par, an adjustment is only necessary if players are competing from tees with different pars.

When par is different, the player(s) competing from the tees with the higher par simply add the difference in par to their Playing Handicap(s). (Rule 6.2b, Rules of Handicapping)

[Newby]

If it is a gross comp all players will be playing off scratch (ie 0 as if everyone's Index is 0.0). A scratch player is expected to play any the round with a score equal to the course rating.

It simply doesn't make sense to play gross off different tees.

 

There is of course a reason for the WHS meaning the World Handicap System  ?

Edited August 19, 2020 by Newby

[Mr. Bean]

2 hours ago, SNIPERBBB said:

You still have to adjust for tee ratings seperately. The CHS adjustment makes it from shooting the rating with your net to shooting par instead

 

Only if different tees have different pars.

[North Butte]

A tournament, played at scratch with no strokes, with players on different tees is just silly IMHO. Although as I recall it didn't keep some sort of professional event from putting a women in a men's field and having her use forward tees a few years back. But that was a publicity stunt.

 

Now if it's a head-to-head match or partner game of some kind and you use the tee differences in lieu of getting giving strokes (i.e the weaker player moves up a couple sets of tees instead of receiving 4-5 strokes) that might make sense under specific matchups. 

[bpink21901]

I played a Sr Club Championship this week with gross & net and they had players going from different tees.  It was flighted by age group and hdcp was adjusted based on which tee you played for net prizes which makes sense.  But the different tees being played for the gross is a stupid way to run it.  I played from the white tees and may have been the only one to do so.  Other guys I saw played either the next tee up, green, and a few played the super senior tees, red.  The guy with low gross played green.    

[Krt22]

9 hours ago, 2bGood said:

Sounds like you need a flighted event as you can't truly have a gross event from different tees. If you did and you did what you are suggesting (modify score based on tees) you are actually playing a net event using a modified handicapping system.

This is exactly what my club does. Everything is flighted with top two flights playing gross from furthest back. The other flights have both gross and net winners

[Sean2]

We had our club championship last weekend. The tees one would play was based strictly on HI, and at 65 years old the tees I would be playing were simply too long for me, so I didn't play. 

[naval2006]

I’ve been playing my Gross Club C for over 30 years and I’ve never heard of such a weird format. 

[taporsnap17]

If you're adjusting the score based of tees, aren't you in effect handicapping and thus making it a net competition?

 

Gross has to be off the same tees imo.  You can have different competitions off different tees if you want